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Daily data:
Cases 36,572 (33,074 last Thursday) Deaths 113 (94) Patients admitted 804 (737 on the 8th) Patients in hospital 6,379 (5,909 on the 11th) Patients in ventilation beds 909 (871 on the 11th) People vaccinated up to and including 18 August 2021: First dose: 47,460,526 Second dose: 41,157,069 The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 7.8% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is up 9.6%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 96.3 today. The number of cases reported today takes us back to where we were almost a month ago. |
Originally Posted by fransknorge
(Post 33502619)
I think there was some plan for mocking of the professionals who warned that cases might not decrease and that deaths in the order of several thousands during the wave was possible (and BTW, some of those professionals are currently under police protection, because from calls of mocking it went to death threats and physical assault).
Well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ing-their-jobs However, I think mocking is entirely appropriate of some of them considering the fact they didn't merely present their models, but as the Guardian describes it went on to vehemently oppose and attack the lifting of restrictions on 19 July. I have no problem with scientists expressing objective opinions based on data and models, but some have gone well beyond that in their language used has been extremely subjective and emotive in many cases. The likes of the so called "independent Sage" fit well within that category - I can only assume they chose their name ironically. Their political backing and agenda is well known. They have put themselves firmly and deliberately in the political arena with the pretence of science to use as a shield against anyone who dared question them. I am afraid those people are acting as activists not scientists, but fortunately most can see that. |
Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
(Post 33501926)
On the tube around 50% unmasked, no one says anything. Might as well just 'recommend' it.
At LHR mostly masked, but no one says anything if unmasked. Naturally when boarding the plane it is stricter. So yes, the only 'lockdown' I'm feeling is paying for pre arrival and post arrival tests and doing a PLF! The E-Gates mean that it's essentially the same 'border' as was before COVID. |
Originally Posted by paulaf
(Post 33503609)
Are you saying strictly speaking you don't now have to wear a mask in LHR?
heathrow.com/customer-support/faq/coronavirus-covid-19 Am I still required to socially distance and wear a face covering? As we continue to welcome passengers from around the world, wearing a face covering will still be required whilst in our terminals. We also ask passengers to respect social distancing where possible. |
Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 33503597)
It should go without saying that no one condones death threats or physical assault - and I don't think anyone commenting on this thread has got anywhere close to even suggesting that.
However, I think mocking is entirely appropriate of some of them considering the fact they didn't merely present their models, but as the Guardian describes it went on to vehemently oppose and attack the lifting of restrictions on 19 July. I have no problem with scientists expressing objective opinions based on data and models, but some have gone well beyond that in their language used has been extremely subjective and emotive in many cases. The likes of the so called "independent Sage" fit well within that category - I can only assume they chose their name ironically. Their political backing and agenda is well known. They have put themselves firmly and deliberately in the political arena with the pretence of science to use as a shield against anyone who dared question them. I am afraid those people are acting as activists not scientists, but fortunately most can see that. This is also the same rhetoric used by anti-vaccine: mocking them, then go further. Two days ago a vaccination center was vandalized and 3000 doses destroyed. Staff is safe. I honestly do not follow at all Independent SAGE, I do not even know who are in this group. I had a glance at their website, not sure what to make of it yet. They might be sometime alarmist. Maybe. Now having said, that I randomly open one of their report and look at the summary and see nothing either political nor alarmist: Accordingly, Independent SAGE calls for the immediate formation of a National Education Task Force involving Government, Local Authorities, Teachers, Parents and School Students in order to: 1. Plan, resource and implement changes that will create a more COVID-secure environment in schools and hence allow a safe return to school as soon as possible 2. Determine the resources necessary to allow all students to participate in remote study, organise provision of those resources and monitor their roll-out. 3. Monitor the mental health needs of students and staff and provide the necessary support in schools. 4. Evaluate the impact of the pandemic on the acquisition of knowledge, skills and accreditation so as to design interventions that enable school pupils: a. to catch up on expected levels of learning. b. to make successful transitions to employment or further/higher education and consider how to reduce the negative consequences of school closures Or this one, from Sept 2020, nothing strikes me as alarmist and actually it looks quite sensible: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...1e415ef56b.jpg |
Originally Posted by fransknorge
(Post 33503709)
I am fully aware nobody says this on the thread, nevertheless that how it goes: by escalation and someone reading a call to mock might write it a step further, etc... Currently I know several persons working in either research or hospitals under police protection, because their lives are threatened. It often started months ago with a simple call to mock and escalated.
This is also the same rhetoric used by anti-vaccine: mocking them, then go further. Two days ago a vaccination center was vandalized and 3000 doses destroyed. Staff is safe. Standard playbook frankly, attempt to link any moderate and rational criticism with the extreme in order to delegitimise it. |
The UK vaccination figures have now been rebased to take account of the fact that those over 16 can now have the vaccine, previously it was 18 years old. One aspect of poor timing here, in terms of missing a good headline. The population figures have actually been rebased twice in the last fortnight, and the previous increase was to take account of the annual rise in population. These two changes conspired to hide the fact that the UK went above 90% of the adult population getting their first vaccine on Tuesday, based on the original population size. Scotland and Wales have been over 90% for some time, so now England has caught up, Northern Ireland remains a few percentage points below. However the actual public figure for yesterday is 87.3%, rather than 90.1% and you can see that first dose numbers have increased from 30k a day to near 50k a day. Second dose figures today is 75.7%, whereas it would be 78.2% on the old population basis. The second dose figures will be slightly harder to interpret now since for those aged 16 years to 17 years 9 months they currently only get one dose.
Yesterday was in fact my highest vaccination day since the pandemic started, I administered 248 vaccines, mainly to those 16 and 17. At times it felt like I was working in the Lynx factory, but I guess that's better than the alternative. Today I was vaccinating 17 year olds visiting Newcastle University - it was an open house day for sixth formers to see where they may want to take their degrees. But I'm still doing the occasional person in their 40s or older coming forward for their first vaccine. |
Originally Posted by paulaf
(Post 33503609)
Are you saying strictly speaking you don't now have to wear a mask in LHR?
They generally mention it at the boarding gate. When I fly BA I use an exemption, but Swiss don't allow this without paperwork, so I put my mask on just before I get on the plane. |
Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 33504281)
The UK vaccination figures have now been rebased to take account of the fact that those over 16 can now have the vaccine, previously it was 18 years old. One aspect of poor timing here, in terms of missing a good headline. The population figures have actually been rebased twice in the last fortnight, and the previous increase was to take account of the annual rise in population. These two changes conspired to hide the fact that the UK went above 90% of the adult population getting their first vaccine on Tuesday, based on the original population size. Scotland and Wales have been over 90% for some time, so now England has caught up, Northern Ireland remains a few percentage points below. However the actual public figure for yesterday is 87.3%, rather than 90.1% and you can see that first dose numbers have increased from 30k a day to near 50k a day. Second dose figures today is 75.7%, whereas it would be 78.2% on the old population basis. The second dose figures will be slightly harder to interpret now since for those aged 16 years to 17 years 9 months they currently only get one dose.
Yesterday was in fact my highest vaccination day since the pandemic started, I administered 248 vaccines, mainly to those 16 and 17. At times it felt like I was working in the Lynx factory, but I guess that's better than the alternative. Today I was vaccinating 17 year olds visiting Newcastle University - it was an open house day for sixth formers to see where they may want to take their degrees. But I'm still doing the occasional person in their 40s or older coming forward for their first vaccine. It makes me nervous for winter and travel ending again and maybe even lockdowns. |
Originally Posted by Dan1113
(Post 33505543)
Thoughts on what is happening in Iceland and Israel in terms of so many double vaxxed getting it and the chat of restrictions etc?
It makes me nervous for winter and travel ending again and maybe even lockdowns. |
Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
(Post 33504448)
When I fly BA I use an exemption, but Swiss don't allow this without paperwork, so I put my mask on just before I get on the plane.
The paperwork Swiss requires isn't onerous: it's the simplest of declarations, but certified by a physician. A little more onerous than BA's self-certification, which invites dissembling from those with a more casual relationship with rectitude. But for those unable to mask up, it should be worth a little hoop-jumping to have documentation supporting their condition, not only on Swiss flights. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a5ca5755e4.png https://www.swiss.com/CMSContent/web...te-mask-en.pdf |
Originally Posted by IAN-UK
(Post 33505670)
The paperwork Swiss requires isn't onerous: it's the simplest of declarations, but certified by a physician. A little more onerous than BA's self-certification, which invites dissembling from those with a more casual relationship with rectitude.
But for those unable to mask up, it should be worth a little hoop-jumping to have documentation supporting their condition, not only on Swiss flights. https://www.swiss.com/CMSContent/web...te-mask-en.pdf it is for those who do not have a legitimate reason beyond self interest |
Originally Posted by IAN-UK
(Post 33505670)
The paperwork Swiss requires isn't onerous: it's the simplest of declarations, but certified by a physician. A little more onerous than BA's self-certification, which invites dissembling from those with a more casual relationship with rectitude.
But for those unable to mask up, it should be worth a little hoop-jumping to have documentation supporting their condition, not only on Swiss flights. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a5ca5755e4.png https://www.swiss.com/CMSContent/web...te-mask-en.pdf Worth also noting that neither Greece nor Switzerland require a PCR test if fully vaccinated so you have to pay more to be exempt as you wouldn't be needing one otherwise. |
Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
(Post 33505696)
UK Doctors don't really do that though, and also you need a negative test. So it is quite a lot of hassle. I just prefer flying BA as much as possible these days, I actually fly them more than I usually do because of this.
Worth also noting that neither Greece nor Switzerland require a PCR test if fully vaccinated so you have to pay more to be exempt as you wouldn't be needing one otherwise. i have great sympathy with you guys who are unable to support mask wearing. But I guess any additional inconvenience you face is simply one of the crosses we all bear for our disabilities and imperfections. I pleased that I am able to grin and bear the very minor discomfort of wearing a mask when travelling with BA. I do so because BA requires me to, while the government advises me to; because it encourages others to wear theirs and it reassures those feeling nervous travelling in the current climate - and because it makes sense. I try to follow the same policy on public transport and in shops. I'm not beyond cutting corners in other areas of life, but here I believe I'm hitting a reasonable balance between responsibility, common sense and self-interest. |
Daily data:
Cases 37,314 (32,700 last Friday) Deaths 114 (100) Patients admitted 858 (750 on the 9th) Patients in hospital 6,441 (5,894 on the 12th) Patients in ventilation beds 928 (882 on the 12th) People vaccinated up to and including 19 August 2021: First dose: 47,516,505 Second dose: 41,332,128 The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 9.6% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is up 10.4%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 98.3 today. |
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