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Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle
(Post 33161761)
I would be beyond astonished if this isnt being discussed between the various governments - there have been so many leaks regarding the US that they are clearly coming from some officail source, and they would not be guiding in this way if the discussions about a mutual easing of restrictions hadnt taken place. And the major Euro-tourist hubs have already made positive noises, so are ahead of us on that front. It is in everyone's interests to get this part of the economy moving as soon as possible.
And I’m afraid I don’t agree with your final sentence, and more importantly, I don’t think there is general agreement across many jurisdictions that this is a top priority right here and now. |
Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle
(Post 33161692)
Well we must move in very different social circles. It is pretty much the only topic of conversation I have with anyone these days - everyone is desperate for a does of normality, some hot weather etc.
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Originally Posted by Misco60
(Post 33161676)
I think the public would be quite supportive of a postponement of international travel if the government could show that it was necessary.
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Originally Posted by HB7
(Post 33161885)
Based on what? Is there a poll that has asked this question of the UK public with a significant number of respondents in the last few days?
The foreign threat is a card that always plays well at all latitudes and the examples are too many to count. |
Originally Posted by 13901
(Post 33161950)
Robert Boyle (I’m starting to feel like his head cheerleader) was quoting in his blog a Yougov poll that, as late as March, saw >50% of people in favour of blocking all flights and even higher %s wanting hotel confinement to all.
The foreign threat is a card that always plays well at all latitudes and the examples are too many to count. But ultimately, the educated, affluent parts of the UK are used to certain levels of social and economic freedoms which have been tolerated for "the greater good" for long enough now - the economic, social and health reasons for opening up freedoms (not least the impact of these restrictions on people's mental health) are FAST overtaking the need for excess caution. |
Originally Posted by 13901
(Post 33161950)
Robert Boyle (I’m starting to feel like his head cheerleader) was quoting in his blog a Yougov poll that, as late as March, saw >50% of people in favour of blocking all flights and even higher %s wanting hotel confinement to all.
The foreign threat is a card that always plays well at all latitudes and the examples are too many to count. |
Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle
(Post 33162003)
People with a specific agenda can easily get a poll together which satisfies their own requirements, and trumpet it loud and clear on social media.
But ultimately, the educated, affluent parts of the UK are used to certain levels of social and economic freedoms which have been tolerated for "the greater good" for long enough now - the economic, social and health reasons for opening up freedoms (not least the impact of these restrictions on people's mental health) are FAST overtaking the need for excess caution. |
CWS, if I had a friend in your area keen in giving the pop over tonth vaccination centre thing a try, where should she go in Newcastle? She tried somewhere just now and it was closed.
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Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle
(Post 33162003)
People with a specific agenda can easily get a poll together which satisfies their own requirements, and trumpet it loud and clear on social media.
But ultimately, the educated, affluent parts of the UK are used to certain levels of social and economic freedoms which have been tolerated for "the greater good" for long enough now - the economic, social and health reasons for opening up freedoms (not least the impact of these restrictions on people's mental health) are FAST overtaking the need for excess caution.
Originally Posted by DaveS
(Post 33162007)
Relying on public opinion for anything is never wise. We would not be where we are with LGBTQ+ rights and a great many other enlightened policies if public opinion was listened to all of the time.
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Originally Posted by Dan1113
(Post 33162051)
CWS, if I had a friend in your area keen in giving the pop over tonth vaccination centre thing a try, where should she go in Newcastle? She tried somewhere just now and it was closed.
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Today's data:
Cases 3,030 (4,479 last Thursday) Deaths 53 (51) Patients admitted 220 (269 on the 27th) Patients in hospital 3124 (3,967 on the 30th) patients on ventilation 440 (547 on the 31st) 7 day daily average cases are down 37.3% on the previous week. |
Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle
(Post 33162003)
People with a specific agenda can easily get a poll together which satisfies their own requirements, and trumpet it loud and clear on social media.
But ultimately, the educated, affluent parts of the UK are used to certain levels of social and economic freedoms which have been tolerated for "the greater good" for long enough now - the economic, social and health reasons for opening up freedoms (not least the impact of these restrictions on people's mental health) are FAST overtaking the need for excess caution. The same in most of Europe, in Germany the latest ARD poll was that 70% of Germans wants tighter travel and entry restrictions. |
Originally Posted by paulaf
(Post 33161706)
I completely disagree, some people have worked really hard over the last year and crave a holiday, also don't forget people want to see family they have been separated from for over a year too so its not just holidays, you must be lucky if all your family live nearby. I'm sad enough to read replies to Paul Charles tweets and people are desperate to see family. Sarah Vine a DM columnist who is married to Michael Gove hasn't seen her elderly parents in Italy for well over a year and seems worried about them, she mentions it frequently, there must be thousands of others in this situation.
Travel/May 17 is a lot more mixed. Sage/Labour coming out screaming about same mistakes as last year/borders/variants will do this. I love travelling and even I wouldn’t be too bothered if travel wasn’t allowed until June or July, and I don’t know anyone else personally that has voiced anything dissimilar. But any delay to the unlocking would be meltdown all round. That is the difference. Domestic freedom is considerably more important to the majority. |
Some updated for vaccines done upto Easter Sunday evening 28 April
Let's start with the figures 2 weeks ago, so ending Sunday 21 March https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/zOcSFB.png And now the stats ending 1 week back ending Sunday 28 March 2021. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/6qvPwT.png And finally the figures for the wek ending Easter Sunday 4 April, so 2 public holidays in here. . https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/7dT2W4.png I'm really pleased by these figures since those in their early 50s will typically have had a very low amount of vaccines in their lives to date. Those both younger and older would have had more childhood vaccines and those older would be getting the influenza vaccine. So a cohort that may have had their last vaccine when they were 8 - 10 years old whereas those in their 30s should have got some jabs in their mid teens. And I know we are still doing some 50 year olds, it's not the end point. Though HMG is playing coy on this, the reality is that we are well into the 40 year olds now. Under 50s have gone from 22.2% to 25.9% to more recently 27.5% with at least one jab.. |
Originally Posted by PxC
(Post 33162253)
The key difference is nearly everyone wants domestic restrictions relaxed, or would be upset if the unlocking is delayed.
Travel/May 17 is a lot more mixed. Sage/Labour coming out screaming about same mistakes as last year/borders/variants will do this. I love travelling and even I wouldn’t be too bothered if travel wasn’t allowed until June or July, and I don’t know anyone else personally that has voiced anything dissimilar. But any delay to the unlocking would be meltdown all round. That is the difference. Domestic freedom is considerably more important to the majority. |
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