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Istanbul New Airport
Sep 4, 2018, 11:56 pm
#827
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Come to think of it:
I hope new IST will have adequate machinery (ploughs/de-icing?) to deal with the annual snow that often turned old IST into a nightmare.
I hope new IST will have adequate machinery (ploughs/de-icing?) to deal with the annual snow that often turned old IST into a nightmare.
Sep 5, 2018, 12:12 am
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I cannot repeat more, impressive posting here Sedat! Superkudos
Sep 5, 2018, 1:38 am
#829
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Sep 5, 2018, 3:28 am
#830
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It's a well known story that Turkish Airlines wish to re-locate at INA as the last airline!...Well, to be honest, they do have their reasons apart from the fact to avoid early days' chaos, etc. Most likely, their CIP Lounge(s) will not be ready by that date... Also the in-terminal YOTEL Hotel, many of the sales outlets, F & B outlets! And TK has to rely pretty heavily on transit (transfer) traffic.
The sensible thing is a smooth and slow transition. All foreign airlines (except for the Star Alliance ones, due to the latter's connection with TK) can be moved to INA, as pioneers (and guinea pigs). These have minimum (though not zero) domestic connections and will not need the presence of the Domestic Wing of the Terminal.
The traffic at INA will be at minimum, though there will be a rather big burden (and a bit of a risk) for the ATCs. Unfortunately the airspace connected to the runways at INA and one runway (mostly used for departures) at AHL do intersect/collide. But it's not an impossible management. In the meanwhile the orientation at INA can be more rationalised/approved.
As a second step, the two AHL based smaller players can be relocated at INA (namely AtlasGlobal & OnurAir), and the Domestic Pier can be opened.
Finally, Turkish Airlines (and Star Alliance member airlines) can be relocated by the time almost everything has settled down (say at the beginning of S19 timetable, which is late March 2019). The only risk there is the possibility of having bad winter weather at the time of this transition.
We'll all have to wait and see!...@:-)
The sensible thing is a smooth and slow transition. All foreign airlines (except for the Star Alliance ones, due to the latter's connection with TK) can be moved to INA, as pioneers (and guinea pigs). These have minimum (though not zero) domestic connections and will not need the presence of the Domestic Wing of the Terminal.
The traffic at INA will be at minimum, though there will be a rather big burden (and a bit of a risk) for the ATCs. Unfortunately the airspace connected to the runways at INA and one runway (mostly used for departures) at AHL do intersect/collide. But it's not an impossible management. In the meanwhile the orientation at INA can be more rationalised/approved.
As a second step, the two AHL based smaller players can be relocated at INA (namely AtlasGlobal & OnurAir), and the Domestic Pier can be opened.
Finally, Turkish Airlines (and Star Alliance member airlines) can be relocated by the time almost everything has settled down (say at the beginning of S19 timetable, which is late March 2019). The only risk there is the possibility of having bad winter weather at the time of this transition.
We'll all have to wait and see!...@:-)
The old airport seized to function on that day after 23.59. i don't think the airport did any special change due to the move. It might be different with IST as it will be continue to be an airport after that.
There are always things that's not ready - you can always use more time and $ to make things perfect.
I can imagine people are doing all sorts of testing like crazy at the new IST so that everything will be ready for the quick move.
Sep 5, 2018, 5:59 am
#831
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Finally, Turkish Airlines (and Star Alliance member airlines) can be relocated by the time almost everything has settled down (say at the beginning of S19 timetable, which is late March 2019). The only risk there is the possibility of having bad winter weather at the time of this transition.
Sep 5, 2018, 10:36 am
#833
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This is only a hypothesis, or call it a gutfeel. I don't have any solid inside information but as told before -- TK wants to delay this relocation.
Sep 5, 2018, 10:47 am
#834
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Don't think slow transition is an option. I remember when Hong Kong airport was moving the last flight left at 23.59 at the old airport and everything from 0.00 will be using the new airport.
The old airport seized to function on that day after 23.59. i don't think the airport did any special change due to the move. It might be different with IST as it will be continue to be an airport after that.
There are always things that's not ready - you can always use more time and $ to make things perfect.
I can imagine people are doing all sorts of testing like crazy at the new IST so that everything will be ready for the quick move.
The old airport seized to function on that day after 23.59. i don't think the airport did any special change due to the move. It might be different with IST as it will be continue to be an airport after that.
There are always things that's not ready - you can always use more time and $ to make things perfect.
I can imagine people are doing all sorts of testing like crazy at the new IST so that everything will be ready for the quick move.
No need to compare apples versus oranges!
Sep 5, 2018, 11:18 am
#835
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For that matter HKG had about 1/4 of the China services that it has now, also in addition to the train there were new bridges and a major highway AS WELL as even a major new tunnel between Kowloon and HK island in operation, actually HK even including cargo operators at the time actually had less than 25% of the frames as various Turkish carriers. HKG airport also took about 2 years to complete, test and get certification for all of its systems.............. The better comparison would perhaps be BKK. Also Mafaky, it is not just the real TK feeling, every single person who is actually involved in aviation in Istanbul would like to see it delayed by at least 6 months.............
Sep 5, 2018, 12:46 pm
#836
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When the Colonial government announced a new HKG early 90s, people were really angry about it and saying the government is wasting $$$ - the nick name of the new airport project was Rose Garden - something you present to people and something you don't need. Being someone from HK you learn to be practical because you don't have space for things that you need. At that time - the new airport, now HKG actually needs the third runway.
You can't really fly domestic HK - HOWEVER it depends on flights to China and Taiwan regarded as domestic (don't want to get into political discussion here and yes it's weird that at PEK flights to HK, Macau and Taiwan are from international terminal).
IST is really congested already and it needs to expand, don't know how much longer it can wait.
I was thinking about BKK too, hope this will turn out better than that.
You can't really fly domestic HK - HOWEVER it depends on flights to China and Taiwan regarded as domestic (don't want to get into political discussion here and yes it's weird that at PEK flights to HK, Macau and Taiwan are from international terminal).
IST is really congested already and it needs to expand, don't know how much longer it can wait.
I was thinking about BKK too, hope this will turn out better than that.
Sep 5, 2018, 1:08 pm
#838
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Today, some rumor based news have erupted in a relatively reliable website (kokpitaero) that the opening may be delayed by 1 to 3 months, although IGA has been denying this.
I know my country better than your: I'm not excited nor thrilled by these news. We are much used to declare things (like postponements) on the very last minute; supposedly "to save face"!
I know my country better than your: I'm not excited nor thrilled by these news. We are much used to declare things (like postponements) on the very last minute; supposedly "to save face"!
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Sep 5, 2018, 1:20 pm
#839
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The CEO was fired but was also paid a "hush money" for around USD 1 Million at the time!...
Sep 6, 2018, 2:44 am
#840
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Today, some rumor based news have erupted in a relatively reliable website (kokpitaero) that the opening may be delayed by 1 to 3 months, although IGA has been denying this.
I know my country better than your: I'm not excited nor thrilled by these news. We are much used to declare things (like postponements) on the very last minute; supposedly "to save face"!
I know my country better than your: I'm not excited nor thrilled by these news. We are much used to declare things (like postponements) on the very last minute; supposedly "to save face"!
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