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LoganTSO Jun 23, 2009 11:59 pm


Originally Posted by Justin026 (Post 11959385)
3. Scott McCartney at the Wall Street Journal blogged today about how he contacted Steven Brill, the former CEO that left Clear earlier this year and asked him about security. Brill said that the Clear identity data was kept by Lockheed Martin at the time he left and that there are government rules about handling the data during events like what has happened. (I do know that Lockheed Martin is the contractor running a very similar-looking card program that is being used at commercial ports called TWIC, so that is plausible.)

Gonna be a bit vulgar here but....
God damn, just how many f**king contracts does TSA hand out to Lockheed and just how far do they have their hand up our (TSA's) a$$.

mpmsfca Jun 24, 2009 12:43 am

FlyClear: workers
 

Originally Posted by zbenye (Post 11951536)
Too funny, my membership just expired two days ago and I got an email "we have extended your membership for a short grace period during which your card will remain active."

That was a very short grace period indeed.

I'm sorry for the kids who worked these lanes, but I got the feeling they were minimum-wage students; they'll surely find work at Panera or such.

P.S. I got the year free for being Marriott Platinum and would certainly not have renewed considering it was substantially beneficial only twice (I can use Elite lanes).

As someone who is in the customer service field and experiences customer service in hotels, airlines, etc hundreds of times each year, I have to say that whatever training they did for these "minimum-wage students" was amazing! They were consistently professional, knowledgeable, courteous, friendly, helpful and over the top "just nice"--something that is missing in so many other places around in business now!

aviators99 Jun 24, 2009 12:54 am


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 11959399)
1) at at least one venue you can buy access to a special VIP entrance that scoots you ahead of others. That would delay someone standing in a regular line because it takes away a line they might otherwise use.

True! All Disney theme parks, all Universal theme parks, some theaters and theatres, some sports venues, most Las Vegas casino restaurants...heck, two weeks ago I paid $500 to have parking (taking away from others) and a two good spots to watch the 787 first flight!

Trollkiller Jun 24, 2009 12:55 am


Originally Posted by mpmsfca (Post 11959553)
As someone who is in the customer service field and experiences customer service in hotels, airlines, etc hundreds of times each year, I have to say that whatever training they did for these "minimum-wage students" was amazing! They were consistently professional, knowledgeable, courteous, friendly, helpful and over the top "just nice"--something that is missing in so many other places around in business now!

Hopefully that will translate into a very short duration of unemployment for them.

Good customer service is hard to find.

kokonutz Jun 24, 2009 8:08 am


Originally Posted by aviators99 (Post 11959579)
True! All Disney theme parks, all Universal theme parks, some theaters and theatres, some sports venues, most Las Vegas casino restaurants...heck, two weeks ago I paid $500 to have parking (taking away from others) and a two good spots to watch the 787 first flight!

Yeah, the list goes on and on and on. I'm not quite sure why folks have/had such a strong reaction to Clear, but paying a little more to cut in line is something that has been around and will be around for a long, long time. Didn't UA recently say they generated a ton of dough selling priority screening? So it's ok for UA but not for Clear somehow?

It's actually a concept that I wish the DMV would get behind! I'd gladly pay the state an extra $50 to be in and out of the DMV in under 5 minutes!!!! ^ I think I'll bring that up at the next AAMVA meeting!

Of course, Clear was meant to be far more than just that, but TSA couldn't allow a private company to do its job better and more efficiently and friendly than they do it, so....

German Expat Jun 24, 2009 8:17 am

I don't fully understand though why clear did not change their business model. If its just a way to cut the line why bother getting all the biometrics and background checks done and waste all the money ? How dumb can a company be to not adapt their business model after it obviously did not work out.
I would expect that the company should have been smart enough to change their business model after they did not get their original one (not having security checks) working with the TSA.
Obviously there were enough customers that were willing to pay to skip a line. So why not just invest all the money into having an additional TSA line sponsored by Clear and you pay for line cutting.
But this would have meant to admit the truth what the program ended up to be.

I did pay for Clear but this was just to save time. I am in so many databases already and my fingerprints got taken a lot so that one more company to me did not make that big a difference.

Spiff Jun 24, 2009 8:32 am


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 11960701)
It's actually a concept that I wish the DMV would get behind! I'd gladly pay the state an extra $50 to be in and out of the DMV in under 5 minutes!!!! ^ I think I'll bring that up at the next AAMVA meeting!

You'd be doing everyone a service if you'd instead bring up "Why do the lines suck at our DMV and what the hell are we going to do about it?"

DepartALB Jun 24, 2009 8:45 am

[QUOTE=GoingAway;11957112]You really have no clue and blindly give your information out - go for it.... GOES is a federal program, and it was CUSTOMs agents you met with, not TSA. TSA has nothing to do with C&I ... they're the screening you'd hit afterwards, if you're connecting once you return to US soil.

I guess you need to reread my post....your totally misunderstood...then misrepresented my point...TSA, CBP all the same and all under the same direction of DHS, yes you are correct I should have said CBP, my mistake, but that was not my point...don’t have time to explain it, reading is fundamental….So yeah I don’t know anything about what I am talking about…:rolleyes:

monitor Jun 24, 2009 9:01 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 11960834)
You'd be doing everyone a service if you'd instead bring up "Why do the lines suck at our DMV and what the hell are we going to do about it?"

Come on now. :rolleyes:

You, of all people around here, know the answer to that question.

It is a program run by a government and government does almost nothing well.

kokonutz Jun 24, 2009 9:01 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 11960834)
You'd be doing everyone a service if you'd instead bring up "Why do the lines suck at our DMV and what the hell are we going to do about it?"

But I don't CARE about everyone else's DMV (or airport screening) experience. I only care about MINE!

Besides, they've been trying to fix the DMV experience for 50 years. It can't be done. The best they've managed to do is switch from actual lines to take a number and sit 'lines.' The same will be true of TSA. It is what it is. It can't be 'fixed,' the best you can hope for is to get around, under and through it as quickly as possible.

But paying for a concierge DMV experience has not been tried that I am aware of. And it's brilliant: more money for the state from people who voluntarily decide that their time is worth more than the fee! Win-win! ^

LessO2 Jun 24, 2009 9:03 am


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 11961009)
But I don't CARE about everyone else's DMV (or airport screening) experience. I only care about MINE!

You should care. In the long run, inefficient ways cost everyone, you and me included, in tax dollars and airport fees.

Spiff Jun 24, 2009 9:10 am


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 11961009)
But I don't CARE about everyone else's DMV (or airport screening) experience. I only care about MINE!

Besides, they've been trying to fix the DMV experience for 50 years. It can't be done. The best they've managed to do is switch from actual lines to take a number and sit 'lines.' The same will be true of TSA. It is what it is. It can't be 'fixed,' the best you can hope for is to get around, under and through it as quickly as possible.

But paying for a concierge DMV experience has not been tried that I am aware of. And it's brilliant: more money for the state from people who voluntarily decide that their time is worth more than the fee! Win-win! ^

Sounds more like way of doing business in Soviet Union, Comrade. Certain Comrades and State grow fat on bribes from rich fools while People continue to suffer from State inefficiency. Sooner or later, house of cards collapses and gangsters move into power.

Bad times, Comrade.

aviators99 Jun 24, 2009 9:43 am

In my state, if you make an appointment instead of just showing up, you do not have to wait on line at the DMV. And an appointment is free. Nobody ever seems to use it, though...(although I do)

kokonutz Jun 24, 2009 9:53 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 11961061)
Sounds more like way of doing business in Soviet Union, Comrade. Certain Comrades and State grow fat on bribes from rich fools while People continue to suffer from State inefficiency. Sooner or later, house of cards collapses and gangsters move into power.

Bad times, Comrade.

I dunno, Spiff. It's a business model that worked VERY well for me at Universal theme park in Orlando. The Express Plus Pass was not cheap, but well worth it! ^

Are you calling Universal communist? :confused:

kokonutz Jun 24, 2009 9:54 am


Originally Posted by aviators99 (Post 11961250)
In my state, if you make an appointment instead of just showing up, you do not have to wait on line at the DMV. And an appointment is free. Nobody ever seems to use it, though...(although I do)

That's sort of like the Disney FASTPASS, as I understand it. ^


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