This Forum has become useless
 

I was a Clear user based out of Orlando. As many have said, the service was very valuable to me because I could leave my house at the same time for my weekly business trips and know that I could be at the gate 45 min prior to the flight but unfortunately that is now over. Of course with all forums, the crazies have taken over and I don't have the patience or time to sift through the conspiracy theories looking for the bits and pieces of useful info. I am not going to bother coming back. It would be helpful if those that want to rant and rave about the government move on to some other site so that people who have to deal with this could exchange ideas. Of course that won't be the case will it, Echo and Spiff. BTW, do you guys work? You have posted, sorry, ranted all day long.

0) Initiate a chargeback.

1) Hire a lawyer.

2) Don't get fooled again.

3) Contact your elected representatives and ask them to destroy the TSA.

All these ideas have been presented, but I thought I'd sum them up for you. Have a nice day! :)

Sorry Rob. I've actually spent most of my day in airport lounges today. Thanks for joining the conversation.

Good bye. :)

Absolutely. Xray and metal detectors provide security. Checking ID does not.

The subway system in London came under attack. Using TSA logic, all subways here would benefit from ID checking to ensure those with hostile intent were kept away.

CLEAR brought some sanity to an insane security posture developed by politicians and implemented in a bungled fashion.

Keep off of TS&S and Omni/PR and I think you will have a much better impression of FlyerTalk.

There is very solid information to be had on most of the forums (I just became a Delta Silver Medallion with a single itinerary which wound up costing me $455 simply because I took advantage of the knowledge shared on FlyerTalk).

I'll get right on that after I get the government to give me that gold plated driveway....

Where's the emotion coming from?
 

I don't get what people on one side of this argument are so vigorously defending.

A company? The company doesn't exist anymore. So, that can't be it. Is it the idea of such a company? The dog didn't hunt. And we're probably going to find out more in the coming days, if not weeks as many actions are taken.

So, is it a principle? The right to give away all personal information and money that's demanded, unfettered? Fine, you've got that.

But what high principle produces all this energy? I just don't see the there there.

Or, is it to make the point that we need to go after the TSA -- or DHS or Congress to make it work? (Which will dawn on more and more as time passes and their attention turns forward.) Then where's the argument? Both sides agree. Join hands, turn the energy in that direction, and go do it if you believe it as much as you say it. And, to be sure, the pressure Clear took off of the TSA is already back. Think MCO.

By the way, there are other options. Get status with Southwest, and get to use their "Fly-By" lane. There's NO-body using it, believe me. Earn status, or pay United for their Premier Line. Pretty quick where it exists -- a lot more places than Clear. I know of these; other airlines must have the same. In these cases, you don't have to give any more personal information than what it took to join their frequent flyer programs, even if you still want to. And you've, um, already paid at the office, so there's no place to send your money, even if you still want to.

Sorry to take the p*** out of the Defenders' argument, but really, afterall, what's left to argue for for dozens of posts -- let alone get so worked up over?

:)

Are they going to stop the most clever of the bunch? No. But their idea is to have who bought the ticket, fly the ticket. The airline stands to make a LOT more money if you need to cancel your ticket than if you resold the ticket should you not be able to make the flight. Can you (somewhat easily) commit a low level crime (I'm guessing they could trump something up if caught, not sure though) and get away with flying on another person's ticket? Sure. The average person isn't taking that risk though. The real call for reform should be that there is some sort of anti-trust issue in the way the airlines can get away with such outlandish restrictions. IMO, if you buy the seat, it's yours to sell or gift.

As far as the not recalling people scalping airline tickets, it's an example of the mayhem that could be reality if there was a no ID policy. With capacity limited as much as it is with the current volume of travelers, you'd have issues like this because, in the end, people are out to make money.

I'm also not disputing the TSA has a laughable excuse for checking ID. I'm just saying we all know why it's there and it isn't to catch the next hijacker just before the x-ray lane.

Again, that is the prerogative of the airlines, not the government.

If the airlines want to engage in revenue protection, that should be entirely up to them. The government should have absolutely no say in the matter.

[QUOTE=DLfan;11957270]Wow! This is at least the fourth post today on this subject. Why does everyone assume that Clear ceasing operations is a Delta specific subject? Does no one even read the Newstand Forum?

I don't. It cracks me up how persnickity some of the members and monitors here on Flyer talk. It's like a bunch of engineers or something...

It must be driving you INSANE!!!
 

If it's bothersome, just pass it by. Really the complaints to me are more annoying than a multiple post...

I made it to the end!!!!!!!!
 

I am very unhappy about the CLEAR tragedy today.... I have been a member since it was originally tested at MCO. I would have been happy to pay for the service if it were just at MCO, since there are absolutely no Premium / FC express lines for security.

I agree with all of the other MCO posters. I used CLEAR at MCO, JFK, SLC, CVG, ALB, DCA, ATL, SJC, and a few others that I have probably forgotten. While I did not find the program as usesful at most of the other airports, I can say it was worth every red cent on most Sundays/Modays at MCO. Also, I hear all of those who used it in ATL on Monday AM's. I agree with that as well...

MCO can be VERY unpredictable, and even on its good days, the strollers and toddlers can delay the security process quite a bit. I will so miss being able to bypass the line that extends out into the Hyatt atrium, or on those winter days, the line that creeps down toward the food court between the two arisides. Now I have to plan to be at the airport at least an additional 30 mins. more than before. The constant is now an unpredictable variable.

Also, back to the subject of MCO CLEAR vs. other outposts. At MCO, the CLEAR lines were handled much differently and more efficiently than at other airports. The lines at MCO fed into either crew or otherwise unused TSA checkpoints. At most of the other locations, the CLEAR line dumped right back into the general population.

I agree, but I live in the real world. Trusting the US government to do anything efficiently is just silly.

I do see your point on this... I really do not see why we must have the ID check or the boarding pass thing to go through security. Prior to 9/11 it was not the norm in the US. Let security be open and allow anyone to go through. Afterall, it is presumed that the security checkpoint will eliminate threats such as weapons and such from being introduced into the sterile area. It does not really matter who is clearing security.

besides, it would make visiting the Sky Club a lot easier when flying a different airline or when I want to just pick someone up at the airport.

If the airlines are concerned about the correct person using the tickets, then let them do the checking. I have seen the airline check for id's of guests as they entered the gate areas on int'l flights. I think this could work here if it is such a concern.

A TSA agent matching an id to a boarding pass does not prevent someone from the NO FLY list from clearing security....



+1. You make several good points. There are a lot of posters on here who I would presume had not had much concern with the program in the past, but now want to gain some spotlight in its demise... The others that want to complain about it were probably too cheap to buy it and were quite peeved as they watched me pass by them through the glass wall at MCO. I was on the other side of that glass wall prior to my investment. It paid off for a period of time.. IT was good while it lasted.

I do not have any true fear of the loss of peronal data as if it was going to happen, it would have happened long before now... I have credit cards and all of the above. I also have Lifelock..(speaking of which has any other NWA FF'er received the 3000 miles for that promo? I am still waiting.)



Yes this would maybe improve my opinion of Obama... Change the TSA situation.. However, I do not see that happening, as that would mean DECREASING government and its invasion inot our lives... Not holding my breath...

While I agree with most of your sentiment, I know that this is FT and I would not expecting anything else. I would like to see what happens in the next couple of days as this thing works it way out......


For the record, I have the US Airways Juniper / Barclays Mastercard... They assured me that they wanted nothing to do with disputing my chargeback as the charge was more than 60 days ago... I did add a year to my renewal when the WARNING YOUR FEE IS GOING UP... emails came out last year. So my company is out $128.

If another company came out and were going to help me through security at MCO quickly, I would probably pay again. I will take every bit of help I can get in avoiding the masses. Paying for convenience is the norm. Sunpass, EZ pass, Express processing, IT IS ALL AROUND US. Anyone who denies this is not living in the year 2009....

Sorry for the long rant, but it took a while to get to the end of this thread. I do try to read most of the postings before just blurting my .02 in.

Then what does Ticketmaster do?

No, but you used to be able to pay a third party to go through a separate shorter line in the clear lines I have been thorough.