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Echo Jun 23, 2009 3:49 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 11957372)
You're missing the point tho - IB is still in business. CLEAR is liquidating and they have far more personal data on you than IB could dream of with no plan or even inclination to protect that data.

Honestly people. What evidence do you have that they have "no plan or even inclination" to protect that data? Post some facts if you have them.

GoingAway Jun 23, 2009 3:49 pm


Originally Posted by Echo (Post 11957346)
You've just made it clear you don't know what you're talking about. You should probably find another thread.

Nope - CLEAR controlled the access to the machines that is FED controlled ... premium lines provide access to the secured area to get in line with the general population per the rules (at select airports they had their own access, but it was space restrictions and nothing else that required that to happen).

CLEAR paid for some of those resources, but we (taxpayers) subsidized through training, personnel, etc to have those areas manned - often separate from the general lines.

You just haven't paid attention since you were so "special" as to bypass what everyone else had time to view while waiting their turn ;)

Echo Jun 23, 2009 3:51 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 11957376)
A Clear member simply showed his pass and walked to the front of the line -- and proceeded to go through the same checkpoint as everyone else.

If I am waiting on that line, and you get in front of me, Clear has basically sold you my time.

You must love it when airline staff are allowed to go in front of you.

Spiff Jun 23, 2009 3:51 pm


Originally Posted by Echo (Post 11957385)
Honestly people. What evidence do you have that they have "no plan or even inclination" to protect that data? Post some facts if you have them.

What assurances do you have that the data will be protected? :confused:

Post some facts if you have them. I know, The Internet told you it was true; therefore it must be!

bwhite Jun 23, 2009 3:51 pm


Originally Posted by ufmiked (Post 11957276)
Nearly every airline ticket is non-transferrable thus the airline is protecting themselves by checking your ID...

I don't buy this arguement. One fault with this logic is that they already check my ID when I check my bags.

There is more to this than just revenue protection. Case in point - the TSA Secure Flight program soon to be implemented and sure enough soon to make the situation even worse. And how will that make us more secure?

If they can force these ridiculous "aka security" checks on us, why don't they have the balls to enforce the "Expert Flyer" lanes?

NY-FLA Jun 23, 2009 3:51 pm


Originally Posted by ufmiked (Post 11957276)
Nearly every airline ticket is non-transferrable thus the airline is protecting themselves by checking your ID. Know those nice low fares you find from time to time? Wouldn't it suck if they were all bought by scalpers and you had to deal with scalpers and agents to get an airline ticket? Because that's what happens the day you stop checking IDs.

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The "non-transferrable" limitation only affects the unimaginative. As I said upthread to ECHO; I don't even need to know your gender to be successful flying on your "non-transferable" ticket, although I wouldn't get the FF miles, you would.

Funny, for a long term I didn't have to ID myself to travel by air, and don't recall the hordes of scalpers trying to sell me cheap future tickets.

You also seem blissfully unaware of the earnest claims by TSA that security requires you know who you're dealing with and that their ID checks accomplish exactly that. (Of course they don't, but that's a topic for a different post/thread.)

aviators99 Jun 23, 2009 3:53 pm

If my fingerprints hadn't already been in the government's hands, I would not have joined Clear. Since "iris prints" cannot be left at crime scenes, I had no problem giving my iris scan to them.

GoingAway Jun 23, 2009 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by Echo (Post 11957385)
Honestly people. What evidence do you have that they have "no plan or even inclination" to protect that data? Post some facts if you have them.

Wow - having laptops with NO ENCRYPTION over a year into the program wasn't enough? Losing 3 of those laptops and trying to hide the fact for I think a week or so? Locating the laptops (or so they said) but unable to tell whether the data was breached or where the laptops had been?

Yeah - lots of faith there for you to rely on.

bocastephen Jun 23, 2009 3:55 pm


Originally Posted by Echo (Post 11957385)
Honestly people. What evidence do you have that they have "no plan or even inclination" to protect that data? Post some facts if you have them.

The company is liquidating - they are going away for good. Why do you think they spend money or resources to perpetually protect customer data? Where do you think those backup tapes will end up? Come on, it's common sense.

Echo Jun 23, 2009 3:56 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 11957396)
What assurances do you have that the data will be protected? :confused:

Post some facts if you have them. I know, The Internet told you it was true; therefore it must be!

Here's where you're mistaken. It's everyone else making the claim that they are intentionally and maliciously handling and selling the data. I'm simply not feeding into silly alarmist behavior like so many on here.

Trollkiller Jun 23, 2009 3:56 pm

Everybody settle down, all of your personal information is as safe as it ever was.

The ONLY thing that Clear could provide to marketers, that is not already on the books elsewhere, is how often you travel AND how gullible you are.

GoingAway Jun 23, 2009 3:56 pm


Originally Posted by Echo (Post 11957442)
Here's where you're mistaken. It's everyone else making the claim that they are intentionally and maliciously handling and selling the data. I'm simply not feeding into silly alarmist behavior like so many on here.

Just out of curiosity - have you read your agreement with them lately?

Echo Jun 23, 2009 3:57 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 11957433)
The company is liquidating - they are going away for good. Why do you think they spend money or resources to perpetually protect customer data? Where do you think those backup tapes will end up? Come on, it's common sense.

This is the industry I'm in. Some companies will handle an event like this well, some will handle it poorly. We don't know how they will handle it until they handle it.

What you're calling "common sense" is just purely negative speculation.

Echo Jun 23, 2009 4:02 pm


Originally Posted by GoingAway (Post 11957445)
Just out of curiosity - have you read your agreement with them lately?

No, but clearly you have something in mind, so please share.

Spiff Jun 23, 2009 4:06 pm


Originally Posted by Echo (Post 11957442)
Here's where you're mistaken. It's everyone else making the claim that they are intentionally and maliciously handling and selling the data. I'm simply not feeding into silly alarmist behavior like so many on here.

This company couldn't manage money - how can it be trusted to handle something that's more complicated than a 2-decimal place floating point number?

Are they selling the data to thieves? Who knows? Probably not, but they certainly haven't given people any reason to trust them as they couldn't even stay viable.


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