Traveling with NEXUS without a Passport
#76
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[citation needed]
About EWR, or about YTZ?
If I'm wrong about EWR, please explain how EWR Global Entry kiosks are "NEXUS Air" kiosks within the meaning of 22 CFR 53.2(b)(4)(i). See also CBP's WHTI Air document requirements which say "NEXUS card (if utilizing a NEXUS kiosk when departing from a designated Canadian airport)". The 2014 letter sent to NEXUS members about the change in US preclearance kiosks says "Members entering into the United States, from Canada, can use either their NEXUS card or their registered passport at any of the eight international airports that offer US preclearance. In order to use the GE kiosks located within the United States, NEXUS members must have a valid registered passport on file."
If I'm wrong about YTZ then Porter Airlines, the Port of Toronto, and CBP are all apparently very confused because not one of them claims that YTZ has US preclearance.
Just because a Global Entry kiosk allows looking up travel document information by number or traveler bio information before doing the fingerprint scan, that does not guarantee that the traveler will not get an "X" on their receipt and be sent to secondary. Once there, one may find the CBP officers on duty less than persuaded by arguments about how their interpretation of the WHTI Final Rule is wrong.
About EWR, or about YTZ?
If I'm wrong about EWR, please explain how EWR Global Entry kiosks are "NEXUS Air" kiosks within the meaning of 22 CFR 53.2(b)(4)(i). See also CBP's WHTI Air document requirements which say "NEXUS card (if utilizing a NEXUS kiosk when departing from a designated Canadian airport)". The 2014 letter sent to NEXUS members about the change in US preclearance kiosks says "Members entering into the United States, from Canada, can use either their NEXUS card or their registered passport at any of the eight international airports that offer US preclearance. In order to use the GE kiosks located within the United States, NEXUS members must have a valid registered passport on file."
If I'm wrong about YTZ then Porter Airlines, the Port of Toronto, and CBP are all apparently very confused because not one of them claims that YTZ has US preclearance.
Just because a Global Entry kiosk allows looking up travel document information by number or traveler bio information before doing the fingerprint scan, that does not guarantee that the traveler will not get an "X" on their receipt and be sent to secondary. Once there, one may find the CBP officers on duty less than persuaded by arguments about how their interpretation of the WHTI Final Rule is wrong.
#77
Join Date: Jun 2008
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I never travel (even domestically, as one can be re-routed international during IRROPS or have a sudden side trip overseas come up) without passport in pocket. Never know when one might need it.
Although there are rude employees at all airlines, and you may have found one, IME the frequency of people complaining about rude employees exceeds the number of rude employees/rude acts committed by employees.
Give the agents a break -- under paid, over worked, and (often) treated like scum by employer and customers alike -- is a good rule of traveling.
#79
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But the question is why the signs on top of the GE kiosks still just cite that one must use a passport; there is no mention of a nexus (or GE) card which can be used at these kiosks.
#80
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Spoken like someone who doesn't have to part with his passport often to get visas.
It isn't a fight or argument because they tend to know the rules. Just because they ask for a passport at secondary (probably by rote) doesn't mean you are required to carry one with your NEXUS card.
It isn't a fight or argument because they tend to know the rules. Just because they ask for a passport at secondary (probably by rote) doesn't mean you are required to carry one with your NEXUS card.
I would like to ask if anyone has successfully been able to get the US officer to let him/her by, after being asked for a passport (when using the GE machines, and the paper does not require secondary screening), and stating he/she does not have it, and stating it is not required.
#81
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#82
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Confirmed by TIMATIC R9 and destination information
Passport Exemptions:
- Recommended proof of citizenship, issued to nationals of the
USA, such as:
- - US Birth Certificate; or
- US Certificate of Citizenship; or
- US Certificate of Naturalization.
- Holders of a valid on arrival NEXUS Card issued to nationals
of USA, if residing in the USA or Canada.
- Recommended proof of citizenship, issued to nationals of the
USA, such as:
- - US Birth Certificate; or
- US Certificate of Citizenship; or
- US Certificate of Naturalization.
- Holders of a valid on arrival NEXUS Card issued to nationals
of USA, if residing in the USA or Canada.
Personally, even with Nexus, I don't travel by air without my passport with me. That doesn't mean I have to pull it out, but I always have it with me.
#83
Join Date: Jul 2006
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According to the US CBP, Nexus is valid for entry into the US from Canada, if you're leaving from a Canadian airport with pre-clearance.
http://www.cbp.gov/travel/us-citizen...ocs-air-travel
Document Requirements for Air Travel
All U.S. citizens and nonimmigrant aliens from Canada, Bermuda, and Mexico departing from or entering the United States from within the Western Hemisphere at air ports of entry are required to present a valid passport, NEXUS card (if utilizing a NEXUS kiosk when departing from a designated Canadian airport)...
All U.S. citizens and nonimmigrant aliens from Canada, Bermuda, and Mexico departing from or entering the United States from within the Western Hemisphere at air ports of entry are required to present a valid passport, NEXUS card (if utilizing a NEXUS kiosk when departing from a designated Canadian airport)...
#84
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If Porter insists on their passengers carrying a passport, it should make that abundantly clear to anyone checking in with a NEXUS, not merely waving them through as happened at YTZ. If I hadn't had my passport with me I would have been "trapped" in the US!
This thread is a warning: Don't expect to fly with only your NEXUS using Porter, they are stuck in the stone age.
This thread is a warning: Don't expect to fly with only your NEXUS using Porter, they are stuck in the stone age.
This is simple. PD says they want to see a passport those are their rules. You did not want to comply and probably pissed off the GA. If AC will accept NEXUS fly them. But I bet your ticket on AC would have cost you a bunch more than on PD.
#86
Join Date: Apr 2012
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According to the US CBP, Nexus is valid for entry into the US from Canada, if you're leaving from a Canadian airport with pre-clearance.
http://www.cbp.gov/travel/us-citizen...ocs-air-travel
http://www.cbp.gov/travel/us-citizen...ocs-air-travel
#87
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To be honest, I've never really figured out whether you can fly with Nexus alone between the US and Canada or not. There's conflicting information on different webpages. It's definitely not an area where I want to push it.
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+1 -- we have Sentri/GE down here in San Diego because of our frequent travel in/out of Mexico. Some days my GE or U.S. Passport Card is accepted for air travel in/out of San Diego or Tijuana, and other days they want a passport book. <shrug>
#89
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US law doesn't permit the common carrier airlines to allow passenger use of GE or US passport cards for US-Mexico/Mexico-US air travel. Very different situation than for NEXUS-using resident US citizens flying between the US and Canada.
#90
Join Date: Mar 2015
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United's required documents page has the definitive list straight from the CBP:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/destination/international/passport.aspx
Nexus is fine for both US and Canadian citizens to leave the USA with. A passport is not required.
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/destination/international/passport.aspx
Nexus is fine for both US and Canadian citizens to leave the USA with. A passport is not required.
Last edited by numruk; Mar 23, 2015 at 4:16 pm