Aggressive tip requests
#226
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1
You should tip.
Having worked for tips several times in my life, I am probably a little biased. I almost always "over tip". In most places (speaking of the US) , the person is working for a below minimum wage "tip compensated" rate.
There are lots of "guidelines" for tipping. I'll just throw my "2 cents" out here.
For food service & bar tenders, my starting point is 15% unless they really flail (screw up my order, don't check back with me during my meal for drink refills or if I need something - i.e. condiments). 20% is my norm for satisfactory service. "Wow" me with particularly friendly attitude & exemplary service & I will go 25% or even higher.
For taxi drivers, I tip $2-3, for friendly service, help with bags etc. Superior service will get a $5.
Valets, I tip $5 minimum. Two reasons, first, you're trusting them with your car, and secondly, as a former valet, a $5 tip (or more) always made my night. Lots of people don't tip or tip poorly, your "Venti Starbucks" tip makes a big difference.
Bell Hops - especially in foreign countries, tip big, if you normally give $5, bump it to $10 or more. Hotel employees talk to each other, you take care of one, the others will step it up to in hopes of getting the same treatment.
For bartenders & cocktail servers, it's a good practice to tip exceptionally large on the first round (unless you are starting a tab - even then, consider dropping some cash, bigger than normal). You'll get better service & better drinks.
As for the people who are demanding for tips, rude etc. Not only no, but F*&% no. Your service earns the tips. If you want more than what I've given, you need to step up the level of service. Your job is to make my experience enjoyable. I don't care if you are tired, your boyfriend broke up with you, you have a big test etc. While you are at work, you are there to increase my level of satisfaction. If you do, I'll tip you well.
There are lots of "guidelines" for tipping. I'll just throw my "2 cents" out here.
For food service & bar tenders, my starting point is 15% unless they really flail (screw up my order, don't check back with me during my meal for drink refills or if I need something - i.e. condiments). 20% is my norm for satisfactory service. "Wow" me with particularly friendly attitude & exemplary service & I will go 25% or even higher.
For taxi drivers, I tip $2-3, for friendly service, help with bags etc. Superior service will get a $5.
Valets, I tip $5 minimum. Two reasons, first, you're trusting them with your car, and secondly, as a former valet, a $5 tip (or more) always made my night. Lots of people don't tip or tip poorly, your "Venti Starbucks" tip makes a big difference.
Bell Hops - especially in foreign countries, tip big, if you normally give $5, bump it to $10 or more. Hotel employees talk to each other, you take care of one, the others will step it up to in hopes of getting the same treatment.
For bartenders & cocktail servers, it's a good practice to tip exceptionally large on the first round (unless you are starting a tab - even then, consider dropping some cash, bigger than normal). You'll get better service & better drinks.
As for the people who are demanding for tips, rude etc. Not only no, but F*&% no. Your service earns the tips. If you want more than what I've given, you need to step up the level of service. Your job is to make my experience enjoyable. I don't care if you are tired, your boyfriend broke up with you, you have a big test etc. While you are at work, you are there to increase my level of satisfaction. If you do, I'll tip you well.
#227
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Canada
Programs: AC E50K (*G), Westjet Gold
Posts: 788
Here is something you should know about restaurants and their 20% gratuity that they so nicely add to the bill without even asking.
Most people, tourists especially do NOT question this 20% charge. Like fools they simply pay it.
Here is how to avoid being a schmuck (if I spelled it right)
My Story #1:
So we (2 couples) sitting in a nice NYC restaurant. After a few hours there with nice service, we get our bill .... it's $576. Now .... the food is actually $480 but they added 20% "service" and that's an extra $96.
Now .... I have no problem of tipping 15% and sometimes 20% on a smaller bill, BUT $100 tip??? for 4 people? Nope. Not going to happen.
So, I nicely called the waiter and asked for the 20% to be taken off the bill. He took it back and gave us a new bill of $480. We felt that $50 tip is more than enough.
P.S. I believe that tip should NOT depend on how much you spend. It just doesn't make sense.
Story #2.
In NYC .... 2 couples ... we couldn't catch a cab for 10 min so we grabbed 2 of those petty bikes or whatever they are called. You sit back and the guy peddles to get you to your destination.
Before we got in he said $2 per block. Now ... we actually had to go about 18 blocks (15 min ride). I am assuming $40 per ride and we'll give $10 tip.
As we arrive at our destination says $60 per person..... $120 !
We tell them that we're not tourists and $60 total is what they're getting.
My bike "driver" is kinda OK with it. Takes $60 from me and done.
My friend's driver is not but before he even starts to b*tch about it, my friend kinda get into his face and tells him that he should be happy, he just made $60 in 15-20 min. Be happy man and go on. And so he did.
Lesson .......... prices, tips, etc are not created by God. All of these things are created by "man". It's ok to question things and it's ok to refuse to be taken advantage of.
Most people, tourists especially do NOT question this 20% charge. Like fools they simply pay it.
Here is how to avoid being a schmuck (if I spelled it right)
My Story #1:
So we (2 couples) sitting in a nice NYC restaurant. After a few hours there with nice service, we get our bill .... it's $576. Now .... the food is actually $480 but they added 20% "service" and that's an extra $96.
Now .... I have no problem of tipping 15% and sometimes 20% on a smaller bill, BUT $100 tip??? for 4 people? Nope. Not going to happen.
So, I nicely called the waiter and asked for the 20% to be taken off the bill. He took it back and gave us a new bill of $480. We felt that $50 tip is more than enough.
P.S. I believe that tip should NOT depend on how much you spend. It just doesn't make sense.
Story #2.
In NYC .... 2 couples ... we couldn't catch a cab for 10 min so we grabbed 2 of those petty bikes or whatever they are called. You sit back and the guy peddles to get you to your destination.
Before we got in he said $2 per block. Now ... we actually had to go about 18 blocks (15 min ride). I am assuming $40 per ride and we'll give $10 tip.
As we arrive at our destination says $60 per person..... $120 !
We tell them that we're not tourists and $60 total is what they're getting.
My bike "driver" is kinda OK with it. Takes $60 from me and done.
My friend's driver is not but before he even starts to b*tch about it, my friend kinda get into his face and tells him that he should be happy, he just made $60 in 15-20 min. Be happy man and go on. And so he did.
Lesson .......... prices, tips, etc are not created by God. All of these things are created by "man". It's ok to question things and it's ok to refuse to be taken advantage of.
Alot of places actually pay wait staff less than minimum wage, based on the assumption that they'll make a certain % of sales in tips.
I agree though, that automatic tips at 18-20% at restaurants are sometimes unreasonable- leaves the customer in a compromised situation, where they have to tip alot, no matter how horrific the service is! That being said, I've worked in a restaurant and seen how people take advantage of not having an automatic tip...if you come in with a group of 15 people, and rack up a $750 bill, you should tip by %, not just give 50 and say "thats enough".
#228
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 8
Can we talk about spa tipping, they charge us 200-400 for a massage, waxing or spa services here in NYC and then when I leave they ask for 20% tips for them. Spas pay your employees, the prices are OUTRAGEOUS as is then I have to give 20% isn't it their jobs...what they do? And nail salons...hair salons...now even waxing your eyebrows...when does it stop.
#229



Join Date: Aug 2008
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Can we talk about spa tipping, they charge us 200-400 for a massage, waxing or spa services here in NYC and then when I leave they ask for 20% tips for them. Spas pay your employees, the prices are OUTRAGEOUS as is then I have to give 20% isn't it their jobs...what they do? And nail salons...hair salons...now even waxing your eyebrows...when does it stop.
#230




Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,390
Not really. There have been times when tips were refused.
We were in Kiev and went to a random restaurant, enjoyed our meal but did not leave a tip because we had been told that tipping was not customary. We went back a few days later and our server apologized profusely for the quality of service last time and then that's when we realized we probably should have tipped. She received a nice tip after that meal.
We were in Kiev and went to a random restaurant, enjoyed our meal but did not leave a tip because we had been told that tipping was not customary. We went back a few days later and our server apologized profusely for the quality of service last time and then that's when we realized we probably should have tipped. She received a nice tip after that meal.
Regarding NYC, I try to vary tips based on levels of service. 16% as a default, 18% for very good service, 20% for outstanding, 0% if something was very wrong. Of course there are exceptions, e.g tipped 35% but server didn't include many items he brought for free
#231




Join Date: Mar 2007
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Why on earth do people insist on tipping in places where it's just not done? Two years from now there will be threads in FT from people relating their experiences in Kiev being chased down the street by a waiter who is angry that he was only tipped a lousy 10%...
#232
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: OH
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Exactly! Please do not tip where it isn't the custom! It just spreads the disease
#233
Join Date: May 2012
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 506
Tipping should be left up to the customer and not enforced.
I was at a restaurant recently where the 20% tip was added
to the bill automatically.
How are they to know I thought the service was good.
It seems they assume their service is good... all the time.
I was at a restaurant recently where the 20% tip was added
to the bill automatically.
How are they to know I thought the service was good.
It seems they assume their service is good... all the time.
#234



Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: BOS
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When I was in Aruba this Spring I took a Gypsy Bus to go downtown. Mostly locals on it but along the way we picked some other tourists, one of whom was rather loud and possibly drunk (it is afterall "one happy island") and this woman started asking loudly if we should tip the bus driver. It was all I could do to say there was no need to tip someone operating an illegal service. I think the locals were upset too. Now I don't know for certain that this is an illegal service, but it isn't sancioned by the authority that runs the public transportation service in Aruba.
#235
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The couple of things that I can't stand
- receipts that print the tip for your bill from 15 to 25 or 30%
- hotels that leave envelopes or signs saying your room was serviced by Maria, tipping is appreciated
- and of course places that just add it in hoping you won't notice and tip twice
#236
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#238
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: SF bay area
Posts: 1
tipping grocery baggers... no cans on my bread?
Yes, people have accepted giving large tips as a reward for good service in hopes that it will get them even better service next time around. My main objection is the people who deem tipping necessary to be considered a "good" person but then can't explain why it's morally necessary to tip the waiter who makes at least minimum wage but not the person who bags your groceries who makes the same.[/QUOTE]
Maybe we should consider tipping baggers for good service. I am so tired of repacking my groceries I almost always use the self service lane. I too have begun to wonder why only certain services get large 15% to 20% tips. Especially when the service is mediocre or bad. Why not the craftsperson or artist that custom makes an item for you, they usually make less than minimum wage and often work 8 to 12 hours a day. How about the airline service agent that actually helps you via the phone, most of these folks only make minimum wage. This list could go on forever.
Maybe we should consider tipping baggers for good service. I am so tired of repacking my groceries I almost always use the self service lane. I too have begun to wonder why only certain services get large 15% to 20% tips. Especially when the service is mediocre or bad. Why not the craftsperson or artist that custom makes an item for you, they usually make less than minimum wage and often work 8 to 12 hours a day. How about the airline service agent that actually helps you via the phone, most of these folks only make minimum wage. This list could go on forever.
#239
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Neither message is a particularly attractive one.
#240
Join Date: Jul 2009
Programs: DL
Posts: 16
Tips are %-based in the US
Sorry but I disagree about tips based on amount spend. So if I go to even better restaurant and spend $600 for two, I should leave $120 tip?
You see ... I don't go to a good restaurant for pampering. I got for good food. I don't need that extra "fake" smile. Just suggest something good and bring it warm enough.
If you believe that 20% is a must then stick with it and pay more than I do. You'll feel better about yourself and I'll have more money left over. ......... no offense.
You see ... I don't go to a good restaurant for pampering. I got for good food. I don't need that extra "fake" smile. Just suggest something good and bring it warm enough.
If you believe that 20% is a must then stick with it and pay more than I do. You'll feel better about yourself and I'll have more money left over. ......... no offense.
Tragedy of the commons. Tips are a social construct by community and in the US, you are inventing your own standard if there is a $ ceiling beyond which tips should not go.
You may notice that restaurants are judged on food, service, and decor. They are not based on "warm enough" food served behind a McDonald's counter.
I am going to guess that such an opinion comes from someone who 1)has not worked in a service profession dependent upon tips (e.g., as a waiter); and 2) does not, and probably has not, lived in NYC or any other similar cosmopolitan 'Global city'.
For an economic argument, you may have noticed that wait staff varies in quality. That quality is not incidental to the pay that they receive which incents higher-quality personnel to be at restaurants with better paying clientele. By stiffing the wait staff, you are essentially mooching off the other customers and violating the social contract.
Last edited by edaimler; May 19, 2012 at 4:48 am




