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Old May 13, 2012 | 1:50 pm
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Originally Posted by User Name
No more effort than you made in your post, though?

I'm assuming the posts to which you refer and that obviously offend your delicate sensibilities are the ones where people are simply saying what it is they do when they visit the US.

Of course it's fine to point out what the cultural norm is in the US, but to go further and start name-calling (i.e. calling people "cheap") is a bit childish and actually detracts from you being taken seriously.

In any event none of this is linked to the purpose of this thread, which is about aggressive tip requests, not generally how you should tip in the US. That said I expect that you rub your hands in glee every time you see a new tipping thread as it's an opportunity for you to tell other people how to behave and generally feel superior.
I'm so sorry that your reading skills are below par. Perhaps adult education is offered in your area.
And yes, people that don't tip appropriately are cheap. That is the correct word.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Westcoaster
How about a 2 cent tip? My father was usually a generous tipper so I was surprised when he told me about his experience many years ago in Manhattan on the lower east side. He had absolutely terrible service at a cafe. The waiter was aggressive and very rude throughout the meal. Apparently the guy acted like a real jerk. Dad had eaten in Manhattan many times before and said he'd never seen anyone like this waiter.

When he left the cafe Dad left a tip of 2 pennies on the table. The waiter actually ran out of the cafe and yelled at Dad on the street.
Originally Posted by Christopher
Ha! I guess that makes the point much more effectively than leaving no tip. It's also ruder, but I guess that was the point here...
Interesting. I had never heard of this but apparently leaving two pennies is a way to communicate your dissatisfaction with the service:

(from tripadvisor...not exactly a bastion of accurate information, but...)

For bad or unacceptable service it is customary to tip as low as 10%. If service is bad enough to deserve only 10%, it is a good idea to let the manager know. Also, placing 2 pennies side by side on top of bills neatly placed on the table lets the server know that it is intentionally low because of bad service. If the server in some way offended you so that you do not wish to leave any tip at all, still leave the 2 pennies, so that they understand that you did not just forget to tip.
Is this common knowledge?
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Old May 13, 2012 | 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by hedur
Interesting. I had never heard of this but apparently leaving two pennies is a way to communicate your dissatisfaction with the service:
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Is this common knowledge?
Not specifically to me, but it makes sense. Indeed, any risibly small tip would give that message clearly enough though: Australia, for example, does not have "pennies" but if you left a 5 cent tip or even a 50 cent tip at the end of an expensive meal the obvious message would be that you would normally tip more (some people in Australia may not tip anyway) and, no, you didn't just inadvertently forget on this occasion.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 4:08 pm
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Originally Posted by sjk616
[...] My bartenders and servers are paid $5.00/hour. [...] i treat them well [...].
Therein lies the rub. If the debate can be refocused on the broader issue--the exploitation of staff--it is only then that we can even begin to discuss whether a `tip' ought to be voluntary (as in some countries in the world) or mandatory (as in the US).

As long as we are made to believe that tipping a certain percentage of the bill should be the norm, then the cycle of exploitation will continue, with owners paying a pittance to their staff, and passing on their remuneration responsibilities to the consumer. And as long as we continue to be conditioned to believe that a tip be mandatory rather than voluntary, we might as well also accept that paying to check in a bag when we purchase an airticket or paying a fuel surcharge on a ticket, also ought to be the norm. I dread to think of the day when we will consider it normal to pay a surcharge to use a bed when we pay for a hotel room!

As for me, I usually tip 15% of the bill, but in the full knowledge that continuing to do so will only perpetuate a far greater crime; the exploitation of servers by their employers. And servers, having internalized this system of exploitation themselves, will turn to consumers to support their livelihood, when in reality, they should be directing their ire at their employers.

But I would rather much have a system where employers pay their employees well, consumers pay for food and beverage as per the tariff indicated on the menu, and proffer a tip on a voluntary basis as something extra for services well-rendered. This would be fair by all parties concerned. Any other system, I believe, only serves the interests of restaurant owners.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 4:54 pm
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Originally Posted by IFlyHarder
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The effort some people put in to justifying not tipping as per US custom and make it look like a moral stance (rather than look like simply being cheap - which it is) is most impressive.
So one cannot disagree with the 'reasoning' behind a custom, he must have an ulterior motive?
People on the other side can just as easily say that you tip to feel good about yourself (which BTW I suspect is the reason some Americans overseas tip even when told not to).
If someone will eat a 500$ meal, it's pretty ridiculous to call him cheap. Likewise, if I'll order a 200$ bottle of wine instead of a 100$ one and not tip twice as much, it's not because I'm cheap, it's because it's silly.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 4:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Christopher
Not specifically to me, but it makes sense. Indeed, any risibly small tip would give that message clearly enough though: Australia, for example, does not have "pennies" but if you left a 5 cent tip or even a 50 cent tip at the end of an expensive meal the obvious message would be that you would normally tip more (some people in Australia may not tip anyway) and, no, you didn't just inadvertently forget on this occasion.
As a student, eons ago, I worked in a restaurant in a tourist area (Canada). The waitresses there knew exactly what a one or two cent tip meant, and they fumed if they ever got one. The story then was someone could "forget" to tip, or perhaps assume others at the table were responsible for leaving the tip, so that could explain a table with no tip, but it was obvious if someone left one or two pennies that they were dissatisfied with the service.

As an aside, in those days there were some religious tracts that looked like US dollar bills. It appeared to be a folded dollar bill but when you opened it up it was a religious tract with references to various biblical quotes. Drove the waitresses crazy, and to this day I can't really figure out why someone would assume a tract like that would convert the great unwashed. There was never money left behind, just the tract (and in those long ago days a dollar was the average sized tip in Canada. The most expensive item on the menu was a $6.50 New York steak, and most items were 3 dollars or less...my how times have changed)
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Old May 13, 2012 | 5:24 pm
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Originally Posted by orthar
So one cannot disagree with the 'reasoning' behind a custom, he must have an ulterior motive?
People on the other side can just as easily say that you tip to feel good about yourself (which BTW I suspect is the reason some Americans overseas tip even when told not to).
If someone will eat a 500$ meal, it's pretty ridiculous to call him cheap. Likewise, if I'll order a 200$ bottle of wine instead of a 100$ one and not tip twice as much, it's not because I'm cheap, it's because it's silly.
Of course you may disagree with the reasoning. I didn't suggest otherwise. But you should still observe the custom. Or, you can be cheap and take out your moral outrage on the waiters. Withholding a tip to express your disagreement of this custom will punish them, and not the restaurant owners with whom you disagree.
But the passive-aggressiveness of stiffing a waiter is so much easier (read: cowardly) than asking to speak with the manager or owner to express your reasoning not to tip.

Yes, there are plenty of Americans that tip in countries where they shouldn't. There are also plenty of non-Americans that don't tip when in America. I don't think any particular nationality has all perfect citizens.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 5:39 pm
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Originally Posted by cordelli
The couple of things that I can't stand
  • hotels that leave envelopes or signs saying your room was serviced by Maria, tipping is appreciated
Absolutely +1 pi----s me off
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Old May 13, 2012 | 6:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Westcoaster
How about a 2 cent tip? My father was usually a generous tipper so I was surprised when he told me about his experience many years ago in Manhattan on the lower east side. He had absolutely terrible service at a cafe. The waiter was aggressive and very rude throughout the meal. Apparently the guy acted like a real jerk. Dad had eaten in Manhattan many times before and said he'd never seen anyone like this waiter.

When he left the cafe Dad left a tip of 2 pennies on the table. The waiter actually ran out of the cafe and yelled at Dad on the street.
That is a traditional accepted way of telling the waiter his service was atrocious. You don't leave nothing, since then the waiter might think you have forgotten. By leaving 1 or 2 pennies, you show you haven't forgotten, but that the waiter's service was worth only that amount.


Regarding the topic of this thread, "aggressive tip requests," I think we should let non-US people know that this almost never happens. Except maybe in New York. I have NEVER been followed out of a restaurant and asked to increase a tip, even when tipping light at 8-10% for mediocre service (granted, I rarely do that). To visitors, I suggest you just realize that about 12-15% is the usual amount left as tip (if you check some of the waiters websites, they are usually quite complimentary of a 15% tip), up to 20% for nice service, and factor that into the estimated cost of food, which seems inexpensive in the US compared to most of the rest of the Western world right now. It is just a different pricing model.

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Old May 13, 2012 | 6:26 pm
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Originally Posted by xooz
What I hate is the expectation of a tip in a country with little/no tipping just because I am an American. Had someone at the desk of the Hilton Wangfujing call me in my room after arrival and ask if I tipped the bellman (I did not... no small bills). If I had been a Chinese businessman, no way they would have called my room.

Happens in Europe as well. Speak English with a US accent, you clearly have lots of money and are required to pass it out..
The blame lies with your compatriots who came before you and ignored the local customs, deciding to big-note themselves.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 6:26 pm
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Originally Posted by GRALISTAIR
Absolutely +1 pi----s me off
WHY ?
If you and Cordelli say you don't like the hotel maid practice, why do you succumb to tipping a waiter because he is paid a lowly wage ? Maids get paid much more than that ?
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Old May 13, 2012 | 6:36 pm
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We ate at a hole in the wall Chinese noodle shop in Montreal near the HI. I left a 10% tip for our meal. The 4 of us left and a waiter came running out after us for more tip money! Unnerving and nervy!!! -- Startled, I shoved a little more money at him. NO MORE next time for that place. ==Distasteful travel memory.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 6:41 pm
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Originally Posted by NEWEXP1
WHY ?
If you and Cordelli say you don't like the hotel maid practice, why do you succumb to tipping a waiter because he is paid a lowly wage ? Maids get paid much more than that ?
I cant explain it. If i stop one night I never tip the maid -she is doing her job. If I stop 2 nights I usually do - I do not like a tip envelope being left. No other reason.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 7:01 pm
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Originally Posted by HazeCraze
Does anyone tip when ordering from a take out counter? Or picking up a phone order?

Was recently in LAS and I would go downstairs and place an order at a burger restaurant and wait on a bench for my order to be made. The order is punched in, when it was ready, someone from the kitchen which was 20-25 steps away from me would deliver it to the counter and I would be on my way.

Every time I would sign for the receipt (went twice) there was an option for a tip which I would always cross out. The cashier would roll his eyes at me.

As I walked by the restaurant one day, I noticed all of the workers in the restaurant; cashier, waiters, bartenders etc, were wearing t shirts saying, "Be kind, don't forget to tip your server"

I usually tip well but why would anyone tip in this situation?
It's even worse than you think. Many Vegas servers are union members and are paid well over minimum wage and get benefits plus tips.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 8:53 pm
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So as I understand it, every sever in the US makes state minimum wage a) lower wage + tips to take it to minimum or, b) if tips don't make it up to minimum the restaurant must make it up. No one in a restaurant is making less than in the Walmart across the street despite the protests that you must tip to give them a living wage. I have never tipped a grocery store worker, or the cleaner who cleans the loos at the mall. Why is one expected and the others not?

In some states, such as California, severs make full minimum plus any tips. So when I visit there, should I tip less?

In ON, servers get full minimum wage, and their tips, and many get things like healthcare. Same as CA? Same as NY? Or just use Canadian Tire money?
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