Wally Bird

Jazz. BAe146.
Now, guessing:
a) Vancouver, Terrace, Prince Rupert or
b) Vancouver, Prince George, Fort St. John
or some combination of the above

WHBM

Well as our apartment in St Petersburg, on the north side of the city, backs onto the main rail line northwards to Finland, I can give you detailed personal observations from the kitchen window over the last week ! The "Repin", and its Finnish counterpart the "Sibelius", classic daily trains between the two cities, went the way of all flesh a couple of years ago. However, in their place is the new, high-speed, four times daily "Allegro" service, with the same type of Italian-built tilting trains that the Finnish railway has run for some years. So it's a better service and, more importantly, doesn't require leaving Helsinki at some unearthly hour on a bitter winter morning any more (speaking from experience).

However, apart from these the railway carries on much as before, they are the only rolling stock from post-Soviet times. The local elektrichkas roll timelessly on, while the huge amount of freight traffic, much headed over the border to Finland, appears on the increase again; Russian oil, vast amounts of wood to the Finnish pulp mills, and much else, some electric, some with big pulsating old Russian diesels that could shake the glasses off the windowsill ...... well, that was my excuse for the breakages when doing the dishes !

Sorry, this is the Old Airliners thread, not Trip Reports. Anyone up for some relatively tame questions about the older days of Aeroflot and others, then ?

jlemon

2) Well, Wally, given your vantage point there by the beautiful Salish Sea, I'm shocked!

It was not Jazz, was not a BAe 146 and none of these destinations were on the route of flight!

Please guess again, sir!

jlemon

Well, what the heck, WHBM! I just gave a Bell 407 helicopter ARA-MSY r/t trip report which included New Orleans street cars as well so I guess anything goes! Although I did mention seeing a DL operated DC-9-50 at MSY!

And as for tame questions concerning Aeroflot (we just had a question concerning SU, of course) and other entities, please fire away, sir!

jrl767

how about Pacific Western with a 737-200 via Prince George BC, Edmonton AB, and Fort McMurray AB



DL from IAH or DFW; probably continuing to one or more of LCH, BTR, JAN, MSY, MLU and thence ATL

CO from IAH, probably a circle trip to BTR and/or MSY

jlemon

2) No, it was not Pacific Western and the aircraft was not a 73S.

But you are correct with regard to one of the three intermediate stops: Edmonton. But which Edmonton airport?!

3) Continental and Delta are correct but the respective routings are a bit different......

CO 124: BPT-IAH-LGA
Op: Ex. Sat. (IAH-LGA operated daily)
Equip: B727-100
(Sched from 7/1/83 OAG)

DL 200: BPT-SHV-ATL-LGA
Op: Daily
Equip: B727-200
(Sched from 2/1/76 OAG)

Interesting to see these CO and DL 727 flights which both originated at BPT also both terminated at New York LaGuardia as well, but I'm thinking this was pure coincidence.....

And both CO and DL also flew DC-9-30 equipment into Beaumont/Port Arthur at different times in the past, too....

jrl767

since WestJet didn't show up until 1996, I'm thinking the only other logical choice is Canadian Pacific (aka CP Air) via Kelowna, Calgary, and Edmonton (no I don't know which airport; in fact I didn't even know Edmonton had more than one !) ... but in that timeframe, the 737 was the backbone of their short-haul fleet ...

if Air Canada was operating this route into YHY, it was probably a DC9-30

jlemon

2) Well, now....theoretically speaking, perhaps this flight used a CP flight number but was actually operated by another airline....but not with a 737.

And no, it was not AC with a D9S......

miniliq

First, I'm sorry you couldn't visit MSY a bit longer -- let me know next time and perhaps we can meet.

Now, as to the question -- I'm pretty sure of two candidates: Air Illinois (UX) using a BAC-111; and Britt Airways (RU) with a Fairchild Hiller FH227. I've never flown either carrier, and for that matter have never been on a FH227 -- you sure do dig up some obscure (at least to me) routings! I will speculate that the third carrier might be Allegheny with a DC9.

jlemon

Hello miniliq! Sorry I missed you - it was obviously a quick trip!

And perhaps it was not an obscure routing if one lived in Evansville at the time!

1) Your answers are all, by and large, correct! Britt Airways (RU) was flying four nonstops every weekday with "FK7" equipment, which I think refers to the Fokker F27 but may have well been the FH-227. As for jet service, Air Illinois (UX) was indeed operating the BAC One-Eleven with one flight every weekday to ORD (as UX flt. no. 1). And the other jet carrier was USAir (which was still using the old Allegheny "AL" code at this time) with one DC-9-30 flight to ORD every weekday.

BTW, back in the mid 70's, Evansville had mainline jet service provided by both Delta and Eastern. Delta was the only operator on the EVV-ORD route with four DC-9-30 flights every weekday and also flew direct from ATL, BHM, BOS, DTW, IAH, IND, LIT, MEM, RDU, SHV and even PAH with the D9S.

At this same time, Eastern was operating 72S, 727 and D9S equipment into EVV with direct service from ATL, BOS, FMY, SDF, EWR, MOB, STL and DCA.

Allegheny was operating D9S aircraft from Evansville as well at this time. In fact, in 1976, 100% of the airline flights operated from EVV were flown with mainline jet equipment.....and how things have changed over the years!

jrl767

I flew on a UX HS-748 (CGX-CAP-ENL-MDH) in June 1974, and on about two dozen Mohawk FH-227s (mostly DCA/PHL/LGA-ELM-ITH and return) in 1971-1972

I also flew on a DL DC9-30 EVV-ORD in Jan 74, but I suspect by 1983 they had indeed ceded that route to AL

Wally Bird

Canadian Regional F28 then.
Calgary, Edmonton YXD and Yellowknife?

I must admit Hay River is a bit of a surprise, I thought a NWT DC-3 would have been the only way to get there.

Seat 2A

Arrgh! Wally, you beat me to it! I definitely remember seeing F28s running up that way, eh? Then again, I wouldn't have a clue as to the routing. We await the wisdom of the Quizmeister!

Seat 2A

My goodness! Have y'all been busy or what?! Well good on ya's and thanks to jlemon for his supplementary batch of questions. I would've posted my latest batch of questions this morning but the power picked the most inconvenient time to go out! I'm now back from a beautiful day of driving through the back country of Denali National Park with 47 of this country's most tenacious travelers (plus three Germans!). Dinner tonight is Korean BBQ'd ribs so I'd best get these questions posted and get down to the EDR before those ribs get replaced with the usual old standby - baked chicken breasts! Here are the questions:

1. What was the only intra-state carrier to fly the 707? ANSWERED

2. Ah, the memories… It was November 1999 on a beautiful autumn afternoon in Davenport, Iowa and you were sitting on the porch listening to the radio when it was announced that you could win a valuable prize by correctly identifying the only artist ever to win the Federal Duck Stamp competition five times. Inspired by a recent viewing of the movie Fargo, you immediately called in with the answer: Iowa’s very own Maynard Reese! Yesss!!!! Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding! Tell him what he’s won, Johnny: A free round trip ticket to New. York. City! You and a companion will fly roundtrip coach aboard the only nonstop daily flight from the only airport serving the Quad-Cities to New York’s LaGuardia Airport! Identify the airport as well as the airline and equipment used on this route. And what the heck - if you feel up to it, name the four cities that comprise the "Quad Cities".

3. In the spring of 1995, there were no legal casinos operating in the state of Texas. The first one, the Kickapoo Lucky Eagle Casino, was under construction and not scheduled to open until 1996. You were based in Dallas at that time and a frequent traveler between DFW and Las Vegas where your prowess at the blackjack tables always managed to cover all of your travel expenses. You’ve always enjoyed the convenient nonstops offered by American, America West and Delta, but a travel agent friend of yours recently told you about a new airline operating nonstop jet flights out of DFW on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays. Identify the airline and the equipment used. ANSWERED

4. Flush with cash following another successful weekend on the blackjack tables, you’ve decided to fly to Denver and join friends for dinner at the oldest steakhouse in the city, the fabulous Buckhorn Exchange. The Fried Alligator Tail and Rocky Mountain Oyster appetizers are not to be missed! In the spring of 1995, United, Frontier and America West offered a variety of flights throughout the day between Las Vegas and Denver but you’ve decided to try another airline that offers four daily nonstop flights (one is X34) to Denver. This same airline also offers a single daily nonstop between Denver and Dallas and best of all, its fares are ridiculously low. Identify the airline and the aircraft used on these routes.

5. In 1980, this airline operated a short lived service between Ft. Lauderdale and Las Vegas, continuing on to Los Angeles. Which airline was this and what type of aircraft was used on the route?

6. In the spring of 1983, two airlines provided nonstop DC-9 flights between Philadelphia and Raleigh/Durham. One of them offered a daily DC-9-30 while the other offered a daily X6 DC-9-10. Which airline operated which aircraft on this route? ANSWERED

The following six questions are all based upon schedules published in the May 15, 1988 OAG.

7. Two airlines offered nonstop service between Tucson and Los Angeles. On weekdays, one of them offered five MD-80 nonstops while the other countered with three 737-200s. Which airlines were these?

8. Many years before, Bahamas Airways used to serve Nassau with multiple BAC-111 flights. In May of 1988 only one airline operated the little British twinjet into Nassau. Which airline was this and where did they fly into NAS from? ANSWERED

9. Though once enjoying as many as three nonstop flights each day, by May of 1988 the San Francisco to Miami route was down to a single daily nonstop. Name the airline and the equipment used for this flight.

10. Though United and Horizon provided a multitude of flights each day between Seattle and Bellingham, only this airline offered nonstop jet service on the route. Identify the airline and the equipment used. ANSWERED

11. In May of 1988 there were just two daily nonstop flights between Las Vegas and Seattle, each operated by a different airline. Identify the airline and the equipment used.
America West 737-200 has been correctly identified as one of the airlines. The other airline remains as yet unknown and unanswered.

12. Five different airlines offered nonstop jet service on the 20 mile route between Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. Which airlines were they?

Partially Answered

13. In 1978 I flew aboard a Frontier 737-200 between Durango, CO and Grand Junction, CO. Ten years later, a different airline was offering nonstop jet service on this route. Identify the airline and aircraft used.


The following five questions are all based upon schedules published in the June 1st, 1968 OAG.

14. This airline operated the only daily nonstop flight between Chicago, IL and Anchorage, AK. Identify the airline and the aircraft used.

15. Your vacation in Nantucket, MA is interrupted by an urgent call requesting your presence at a board meeting in Boston. Taking the ferry back to your car and then driving the rest of the way will not get you to Boston quickly enough. You’ll need to fly. This airline operates a one-stop flight to Boston aboard a modern jetliner. Identify the airline, the equipment used and the intermediate stop.

16. Four different airlines operated nonstop jet service between Tucson and Los Angeles. Identify each airline and its respective equipment used.

17. Although jet service between Des Moines and Los Angeles has been available via connection in Chicago for some time now, you prefer the more relaxed pace of this airline’s five stop propeller flight. Name the airline and equipment used. And – if you feel up to it – please identify the five intermediate stops. ANSWERED

18. You want to fly between San Antonio and New Orleans, but you’re just not quite comfortable flying aboard anything with less than four engines. This airline offers the only nonstop four-engined jet transport between San Antonio and New Orleans. Which airline is it and what kind of aircraft did it use on this route? ANSWERED

The following five questions are all based upon schedules published in the July 15, 1992 OAG.

19. You were going to take the train from Chicago up to Milwaukee until you discovered that this airline operated a single widebodied flight on the route each day. Name the airline and the equipment used. ANSWERED

20. Nonstop flights were available from five Texas cities down to Mexico City. Everyone knows “The Big Three” – Dallas, Houston and San Antonio – had nonstop flights. Identify the other two cities as well as the airlines and their respective aircraft that served on these routes. ANSWERED

21. This airline operated the only daily nonstop widebodied jet service between Miami and San Francisco. Name the airline and the equipment used.

22. Bermuda enjoyed nonstop service from all three major New York City area airports. Identify which airline departed from each airport and – if you feel up to it – the aircraft operated by each airline.

23. This airline operated the only 747 service between New York JFK and Miami – four days a week. ANSWERED

24. Two airlines with directional names (i.e. Southwest) once planned to merge back in 1970. That merger never happened and instead both of these airlines were eventually taken over by another airline. Can you name two airlines that once planned to merge as well as the airline that they both ultimately became part of? ANSWERED

25. It’s October of 1981 and you’ve been invited to an Autumn Festival in Bedford, New York. The closest airport to Bedford is in White Plains, just a few miles to the south. A quick check of your trusty OAG shows a single airline operating two daily nonstop flights (1 is X7) from O’Hare to Westchester County Airport in White Plains. Name the airline and the equipment used.

jrl767

I'd guess National operated a DC-8


DC-10; could have been AA, NW, or UA



the only "directional-name" airline that disappeared completely is Eastern

Central (which is more "geographic" than "directional") became part of Frontier, which eventually disappeared and was then reincarnated

all the others that I can think of (Northeast, North Central, Southern, Western, Pacific, West Coast) either directly or indirectly are now part of Delta


Tower Air?