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Besides my flights with ConnectAir on the Fairchild F-27 between SBA and SJC, I had earlier flown on Fokker F.27 aircraft operated by Swift Aire between San Luis Obispo and Los Angeles several times. These were new aircraft which had been delivered to Swift Aire by the manufacturer shortly before my flights. They had that "new plane smell" and the Swift Aire folks were very proud of their F.27s which represented a big leap forward, equipment-wise, at the time for this little ol' airline that was based in San Luis Obispo.
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You guys have done good! Better yet, it appears we have gotten our internet connection here in the park at least partially fixed. Here's some more questions to go with JoeDTW's remaining Ozark questions...
36. (1986) You’ve just returned to Los Angeles and are looking forward to a few days of R&R back home when you get a call from your department head. Welcome back! Terribly sorry about this Mate, but it seems your technical skills are required to solve a wee problem in Pretoria, South Africa. The Travel Department has found you a great itinerary though - a couple of nonstop flights aboard two different widebodied jets with just a single connection, both on the same airline. Even better, you’ve been booked in Business Class on both flights. Identify the airline, route and both aircraft types involved.
37. (1992) Tahiti can be flown to from Stockholm via just two nonstop flights and a single connection? No way! Way, Dude… Two airlines are involved, each of them operating a different aircraft type. Your job now is to identify the two airlines, the connection airport and the aircraft types.
38. (1987) Your Tennessee Vols are playing Alabama’s Crimson Tide in a major SEC showdown next weekend. A good buddy of yours has called to say he’s managed to procure a couple of tickets on the 40 yard line. Can you make it? Oh, you betcha! Better yet, if you fly down to Birmingham, he’ll pick you up and drive you back up to Knoxville after the game. As for the flight, this really must be your lucky day. There’s a daily nonstop from Knoxville straight down to Birmingham. Book it Danno! Name the airline and the aircraft please.
39. (1973) Never one to take a simple online connection, you’ve found a great way to fly from Dallas to Vancouver, BC. It involves three nonstop flights on three different airlines with each flight operated by the same model of four engine jetliner. Can you provide all of the usual details?
40. (1986) Following a productive three days in Abu Dhabi, it’s time to move on to your next assignment in Nairobi, Kenya. There is a once weekly nonstop ABU-NBO flight, but alas, not on the day you need. Thankfully, another airline offers a convenient online connection departing early tomorrow morning and arriving NBO in the early afternoon. The first flight to the connection point makes a single enroute stop, followed by a nonstop into Nairobi. It is the only airline offering an online connection where both flights are aboard vintage four engine jetliners of the same type. As an added bonus, First Class is available on both flights. Airline, routing and equipment please
41. (1987) With its acquisition of Republic Airlines, Northwest has an even larger presence in the Southeast. Its new hub in Memphis, Tennessee was never a hotbed of activity for widebody aircraft but Northwest has introduced MEM’s first 747 service along with DC-10 nonstops from four different U.S airports. With this question, we’re looking to identify those four airports. Are you up for it?
42. (1973) Based upon schedules published in the January 1st, 1973 North American OAG, Miami is served by twelve 747 flights most days. Seven of those flights are offered by one airline, flying into Miami from four different cities. Name the airline and the four airports.
43. (1986) Nairobi is a huge city but unfortunately there is a real dearth of good German restaurants in the CBD. Thankfully your next project has you working in Frankfurt, so you can practically taste that delicious German spaetzle accompanying your freshly grilled brat as you ponder your upcoming travel options. There are many, available on many airlines, but the most affordable one appears to be with an airline that operates all Y configured equipment and offers a single online connection featuring two nonstop flights - one aboard a jet and one aboard a turboprop. It is the only airline offering service between NBO and FRA that meets these parameters. Identify the airline, the routing and the two aircraft types.
36. (1986) You’ve just returned to Los Angeles and are looking forward to a few days of R&R back home when you get a call from your department head. Welcome back! Terribly sorry about this Mate, but it seems your technical skills are required to solve a wee problem in Pretoria, South Africa. The Travel Department has found you a great itinerary though - a couple of nonstop flights aboard two different widebodied jets with just a single connection, both on the same airline. Even better, you’ve been booked in Business Class on both flights. Identify the airline, route and both aircraft types involved.
37. (1992) Tahiti can be flown to from Stockholm via just two nonstop flights and a single connection? No way! Way, Dude… Two airlines are involved, each of them operating a different aircraft type. Your job now is to identify the two airlines, the connection airport and the aircraft types.
38. (1987) Your Tennessee Vols are playing Alabama’s Crimson Tide in a major SEC showdown next weekend. A good buddy of yours has called to say he’s managed to procure a couple of tickets on the 40 yard line. Can you make it? Oh, you betcha! Better yet, if you fly down to Birmingham, he’ll pick you up and drive you back up to Knoxville after the game. As for the flight, this really must be your lucky day. There’s a daily nonstop from Knoxville straight down to Birmingham. Book it Danno! Name the airline and the aircraft please.
39. (1973) Never one to take a simple online connection, you’ve found a great way to fly from Dallas to Vancouver, BC. It involves three nonstop flights on three different airlines with each flight operated by the same model of four engine jetliner. Can you provide all of the usual details?
40. (1986) Following a productive three days in Abu Dhabi, it’s time to move on to your next assignment in Nairobi, Kenya. There is a once weekly nonstop ABU-NBO flight, but alas, not on the day you need. Thankfully, another airline offers a convenient online connection departing early tomorrow morning and arriving NBO in the early afternoon. The first flight to the connection point makes a single enroute stop, followed by a nonstop into Nairobi. It is the only airline offering an online connection where both flights are aboard vintage four engine jetliners of the same type. As an added bonus, First Class is available on both flights. Airline, routing and equipment please
41. (1987) With its acquisition of Republic Airlines, Northwest has an even larger presence in the Southeast. Its new hub in Memphis, Tennessee was never a hotbed of activity for widebody aircraft but Northwest has introduced MEM’s first 747 service along with DC-10 nonstops from four different U.S airports. With this question, we’re looking to identify those four airports. Are you up for it?
42. (1973) Based upon schedules published in the January 1st, 1973 North American OAG, Miami is served by twelve 747 flights most days. Seven of those flights are offered by one airline, flying into Miami from four different cities. Name the airline and the four airports.
43. (1986) Nairobi is a huge city but unfortunately there is a real dearth of good German restaurants in the CBD. Thankfully your next project has you working in Frankfurt, so you can practically taste that delicious German spaetzle accompanying your freshly grilled brat as you ponder your upcoming travel options. There are many, available on many airlines, but the most affordable one appears to be with an airline that operates all Y configured equipment and offers a single online connection featuring two nonstop flights - one aboard a jet and one aboard a turboprop. It is the only airline offering service between NBO and FRA that meets these parameters. Identify the airline, the routing and the two aircraft types.
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42. (1973) Based upon schedules published in the January 1st, 1973 North American OAG, Miami is served by twelve 747 flights most days. Seven of those flights are offered by one airline, flying into Miami from four different cities. Name the airline and the four airports.
Edit: I just noticed the "North American OAG" part. I'm not familiar enough with the OAG to know whether the flights I proposed would even be in it if they existed. I'll leave this guess here for now.
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4. As St. Louis isn't the termination point for these flights, let's go with Kansas City which I believe was a focus city for Ozark. As for the stops, I'll guess Rochester, Waterloo and Des Moines as they are all basically on a direct path between MSP and MCI.
BTW, I never had the opportunity to fly on board a Fairchild Hiller FH-227. However, I did get the chance to fly on board a Fairchild F-27 roundtrip between Santa Barbara and San Jose. The airline was ConnectAir, a new start up based at SBA, which quickly ran out of money and then disappeared after going tango uniform. I seem to recall they had their airplanes repossessed in the middle of the night at SBA due to non payment of the leases.
BTW, I never had the opportunity to fly on board a Fairchild Hiller FH-227. However, I did get the chance to fly on board a Fairchild F-27 roundtrip between Santa Barbara and San Jose. The airline was ConnectAir, a new start up based at SBA, which quickly ran out of money and then disappeared after going tango uniform. I seem to recall they had their airplanes repossessed in the middle of the night at SBA due to non payment of the leases.
Lv MSP 0700, arrive RST 0729
Lv RST 0744, arrive ALO 0814
Lv ALO 0830, arrive DSM 0903
Lv DSM 0914, arrive MCI 1007
Unfortunately, I never flew the F.27, the F-27, the FH-227, or the F.50. Mesaba flew F-27s for a few years, and I've always regretted not flying one when I had a chance.
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3. (1986) Nairobi is a huge city but unfortunately there is a real dearth of good German restaurants in the CBD. Thankfully your next project has you working in Frankfurt, so you can practically taste that delicious German spaetzle accompanying your freshly grilled brat as you ponder your upcoming travel options. There are many, available on many airlines, but the most affordable one appears to be with an airline that operates all Y configured equipment and offers a single online connection featuring two nonstop flights - one aboard a jet and one aboard a turboprop. It is the only airline offering service between NBO and FRA that meets these parameters. Identify the airline, the routing and the two aircraft types
I think that most of the intercontinental carriers out of Nairobi would serve Frankfurt from their own base with jets, so my guess is that the turboprop is on the first stage of the trip. I wonder about Uganda Airlines then, with an F.27 on Nairobi to Entebbe, then a 707 running Entebbe-Frankfurt-London.
Picture EuroCeltic Airways Fokker F-27-500F Friendship G-ECAT (planepictures.net)
The airframe of the F.27 was of course by Fokker, in The Netherlands, but the aircraft had probably 50% British content. Rolls-Royce Dart engines, of course; Dowty (from Gloucester) propellers; cabin windows same as the Viscount; most of the instruments etc.
The F.50 successor used to operate a lot of flights out of London City with carrier VLM, and I used them quite a few times. The engines were new but inside the cabin it had an old familiarity. The Fokker always seemed a bit dark and shadowy inside, from the high wing, something a bit absent from the Dash 8.
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So it appears that Seat 2A may be looking for domestic flights in the U.S. as the 747 was being operated on such services in 1973 by several U.S. based air carriers. And I believe all of these airlines discovered the 747 was just too big for such service and was thus unprofitable to operate on domestic flights (although service between the U.S. mainland and Hawaii may have been an exception, especially with freight being transported in the cargo hold). But it was fun while it lasted and I enjoyed my flights on B747-100 equipment operated domestically by American and United back in the early 1970's (as well as flights on board UA B747-400 aircraft in later years between LAX and DEN).
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39. (1973) Never one to take a simple online connection, you’ve found a great way to fly from Dallas to Vancouver, BC. It involves three nonstop flights on three different airlines with each flight operated by the same model of four engine jetliner. Can you provide all of the usual details?
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40. (1986) Following a productive three days in Abu Dhabi, it’s time to move on to your next assignment in Nairobi, Kenya. There is a once weekly nonstop ABU-NBO flight, but alas, not on the day you need. Thankfully, another airline offers a convenient online connection departing early tomorrow morning and arriving NBO in the early afternoon. The first flight to the connection point makes a single enroute stop, followed by a nonstop into Nairobi. It is the only airline offering an online connection where both flights are aboard vintage four engine jetliners of the same type. As an added bonus, First Class is available on both flights. Airline, routing and equipment please
I’ll open with Sudan Airways, with the stop in Doha/DOH and the connection in Khartoum/KRT
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I can save you a little time, because a few months ago, I put together a question here about the routes UA flew their 720s on at the time they were retired. UA's final 720 flights operated on 10 Sep 1972, so it wouldn't have been possible to fly one in 1973.
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The North American OAG covers an area that includes every state in the U.S. as well as Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean (including the Dutch ABC islands off the coast of Venezuela) plus the Bahamas and Bermuda. Every other location in the world including South America is covered by the international Worldwide edition of the OAG.
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Thank you, sir! I shall amend my guess.
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42. (1973) Based upon schedules published in the January 1st, 1973 North American OAG, Miami is served by twelve 747 flights most days. Seven of those flights are offered by one airline, flying into Miami from four different cities. Name the airline and the four airports.
I know Varig had a fleet of 747s and given the long history between Miami and Brazil I could see them flying several a day to MIA. How about flights from Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Recife, and Salvador?
Edit: I just noticed the "North American OAG" part. I'm not familiar enough with the OAG to know whether the flights I proposed would even be in it if they existed. I'll leave this guess here for now.
Yep, you caught it, dfw. Varig would not qualify as an answer for this question. That said, I'm not familiar enough with the 1973 International OAG (I don't even have one) to know of Varig's flights between Brazil and Miami back then, but I'm thinking that the 747 didn't join Varig's fleet until quite a bit later, as in the 1980s.
Please, guess again!
I know Varig had a fleet of 747s and given the long history between Miami and Brazil I could see them flying several a day to MIA. How about flights from Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Recife, and Salvador?
Edit: I just noticed the "North American OAG" part. I'm not familiar enough with the OAG to know whether the flights I proposed would even be in it if they existed. I'll leave this guess here for now.
Yep, you caught it, dfw. Varig would not qualify as an answer for this question. That said, I'm not familiar enough with the 1973 International OAG (I don't even have one) to know of Varig's flights between Brazil and Miami back then, but I'm thinking that the 747 didn't join Varig's fleet until quite a bit later, as in the 1980s.
Please, guess again!
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41. (1987) With its acquisition of Republic Airlines, Northwest has an even larger presence in the Southeast. Its new hub in Memphis, Tennessee was never a hotbed of activity for widebody aircraft but Northwest has introduced MEM’s first 747 service along with DC-10 nonstops from four different U.S airports. With this question, we’re looking to identify those four airports. Are you up for it?
MSP and DTW are obvious. For the other two, I'll go with MKE and PHX.
MSP and DTW are indeed correct. However, MKE and PHX are not. You're halfway home, Joe. I anticipate full on success soon...
42. (1973) Based upon schedules published in the January 1st, 1973 North American OAG, Miami is served by twelve 747 flights most days. Seven of those flights are offered by one airline, flying into Miami from four different cities. Name the airline and the four airports.
I'll guess DL, with 747-132s from ATL, DTW, ORD, and TPA
You're off to a good start! Delta is the airline and ATL, DTW and ORD are all correct. Delta had three daily 747s from Chicago to Miami. TPA is incorrect however. The airport we're looking for had two daily flights into MIA...
MSP and DTW are obvious. For the other two, I'll go with MKE and PHX.
MSP and DTW are indeed correct. However, MKE and PHX are not. You're halfway home, Joe. I anticipate full on success soon...
42. (1973) Based upon schedules published in the January 1st, 1973 North American OAG, Miami is served by twelve 747 flights most days. Seven of those flights are offered by one airline, flying into Miami from four different cities. Name the airline and the four airports.
I'll guess DL, with 747-132s from ATL, DTW, ORD, and TPA
You're off to a good start! Delta is the airline and ATL, DTW and ORD are all correct. Delta had three daily 747s from Chicago to Miami. TPA is incorrect however. The airport we're looking for had two daily flights into MIA...