Originally Posted by WHBM

I can assure you that all is not quiet on the WHBM front - and a few of you know why, especially when those questions were posted .... !!!

I think our colleague cs57 was first in with the three TWA stops of 1939 between New York and LA; it's surprising nowadays to think that DC3s were the regular aircraft on New York to Chicago nonstops, for all operators. And S2A was close with suggesting the Boeing Stratocruiser, as those came along for TWA the following year and took over several of these runs.

Originally Posted by jlemon

Seat 2A is correct with regard to both of his answers concerning quiz items 1) and 9)!

9) United operated the following westbound schedule....

UA 199: IAD-DEN-LAX-HNL-KOA
Equip: DC-10
Op: Daily

The return flight, UA 192, operated daily KOA-HNL-LAX. And according to the OAG, UA did offer seats for sale between HNL and KOA.

BTW, Aloha (AQ) was operating B737-200, B737-300 and B737-400 equipment between HNL and KOA at this time while Hawaiian (HA) was operating the DC-9-30 on all of its flights on this route........

Originally Posted by tonywestsider

Please pardon my correction: TWA flew the Boeing 307 Stratoliner in 1940, and not the Stratocruiser, which was the model 377 that Boeing had developed later for UA, PA and others but not TW.

Originally Posted by jlemon

An excellent guess, Wally!

the First Air northbound sched was a bit different.....

7F 862: Ottawa (YOW)-Iqaluit (YFB)-Nanisivik (YSR)-Resolute (YRB)
Equip: 72M
Op: Tuesdays only

The airline operating from Montreal to Resolute was actually CP Air with Boeing 737-200 Combi service. ..... Montreal (YUL)-Iqaluit (YFB)-Nanisivik (YSR)-Resolute (YRB)
Equip: 73M
Op: Tuesdays & Thursdays only

Prior to CP Air, Nordair (ND) had flown the route with a 73M.....

Originally Posted by tonywestsider

Please pardon my correction: TWA flew the Boeing 307 Stratoliner in 1940, and not the Stratocruiser, which was the model 377 that Boeing had developed later for UA, PA and others but not TW.





Very interesting UA schedule using DC-10s!
Hmm... from memory, HA actually flew MD-80s (DC-9 Super 80) from around 1982 but phased out the MD-80s in the mid-1990s because they were too big. HA went back to operating DC-9-50s, which is the last DC-9 series aircraft they had before they took delivery of the MD-80s. I stand to be corrected on this but by 1994, HA had already retired the DC-9 30 series from several years back.

Originally Posted by jlemon

hey tony! I remember seeing an md-80 in hawaiian colors but with psa titles at burbank (bur) back in the day.

According to the schedules in the sept. 1994 oag, all of the ha flights between hnl and koa were operated with "d9s" equipment. Perhaps ha used the "d9s" aircraft code for both the series 30 and series 50?

Originally Posted by Seat 2A

I flew on a Hawaiian Air DC-9-30 back in 1976 between Maui and Kamuela on the big island. The -30s seemed a rare bird even then. I remember looking up the HA fleet in a JP Fleets book back in the early 90s just to see if any more of the -30s (or even -15s) were still flying for HA but as I recall the last service with the -30s was in the mid-eighties. Who knows though - maybe they followed Northwest's lead and picked up a couple used birds for cheap later on...

By the way, my flight log notes indicate that I paid $31.00 each way to fly those United DC-10s between HNL and KOA. I paid $29.00 to fly a Hawaiian Air L-1011 from PDX to SEA back in 1988. Even factoring in inflation, those are still pretty good fares. In 1979 I paid $13.00 for a standby seat aboard a Pan Am 747SP SFO-LAX - my first ride on that type!

Originally Posted by jlemon

Well, I have been trying to remember all of my many flights into and out of Maui (OGG) on Hawaiian Air.....and I seem to recall that even when HA was operating the DC-9-50 on all of their interisland jet services, the aircraft code in the OAG was still "D9S".......

Originally Posted by Seat 2A

I flew on a Hawaiian Air DC-9-30 back in 1976 between Maui and Kamuela on the big island. The -30s seemed a rare bird even then. I remember looking up the HA fleet in a JP Fleets book back in the early 90s just to see if any more of the -30s (or even -15s) were still flying for HA but as I recall the last service with the -30s was in the mid-eighties. Who knows though - maybe they followed Northwest's lead and picked up a couple used birds for cheap later on...

Originally Posted by jlemon

Well, I have been trying to remember all of my many flights into and out of Maui (OGG) on Hawaiian Air.....and I seem to recall that even when HA was operating the DC-9-50 on all of their interisland jet services, the aircraft code in the OAG was still "D9S".......

Originally Posted by tonywestsider

The second hand planes did not have a North American registration number. Where did these planes come from? I seem to remember they were former IB birds.

Originally Posted by WHBM

Iberia never had the DC9-51; the only European purchasers were Swissair, Austrian and Finnair. The first two introduced them as "The DC9 King Size". Hawaiian took secondhand aircraft from the first two, sometimes after they had gone through other operators like Muse Air first. The DC9-51 gained a reputation, especially in Switzerland, for being excessively noisy, and both Swissair and Austrian got rid of them fairly soon after the MD-80 came on line. The Finnair ones however lasted a quarter of a century, I saw them in Helsinki as late as 2003.

However the three Hawaiian ones with overseas registrations were ex-BWIA, which had been registered in the Caribbean, but when handed back to lease company Guinness Peat, based in Shannon, Ireland, they got Irish registrations and operated with Hawaiian from 1990 to 1997 as such before finally being re-registered in the normal US series. Aircraft operating with overseas registrations in US fleets are very unusual (unlike some other countries around the world), but Irish-registered GPA lease aircraft seemed to find a way to do it; there were others at the time.

Originally Posted by Seat 2A

Yeah, the OAG is hardly the end all reference on services or aircraft. For some years, back when Aloha Airlines used to use the airline code TS, all of their inter-island flight schedules showed their 737s offering only "F" class service.

Originally Posted by jlemon

The following items all have a time line of the fall of 1994.....

1) This airline flew nonstop several times a week between Denver (DEN) and Los Cabos (SJD) in Mexico. Identify the air carrier and the equipment operated on the route. ANSWERED

2) At the same time, two airlines were operating daily nonstop flights between Phoenix (PHX) and Los Cabos (SJD). Name both carriers and the respective aircraft types they operated on the route. ANSWERED

3) Two airlines were competing on the Columbus (CMH)-Washington, DC (DCA) route at this time. Both offered nonstop flights. Identify both as well as the jet aircraft types they operated on the route. ANSWERED

4) Four airlines were offering flights from Baltimore (BWI) to New Orleans (MSY). Three of the carriers flew direct, no change of plane service while the fourth airline operated the only nonstop flights. Name all four carriers and the equipment they operated on the route.

5) This airline was operating nonstop service between Miami (MIA) and Aguadilla, Puerto Rico (BQN). Identify the carrier and the aircraft flown.

6) Three airlines were flying nonstop between Miami (MIA) and Montego Bay, Jamaica (MBJ). One carrier was Air Jamaica (JM), of course, which operated two different aircraft types on the route. Identify both aircraft types flown by JM MIA-MBJ and also name the other two airlines as well as the equipment they flew on the route. ANSWERED

7) Two airlines were competing between Miami (MIA) and Merida, Mexico (MID) at this time. One carrier offered daily nonstop as well as daily onestop, direct service while the other airline operated a daily onestop direct flight. Identify both carriers and the respective equipment they flew on the route. ANSWERED

8) This airline was offering the only service from New York City (LGA) to Huntsville (HSV) at this time with a onestop, direct flight. Identify the air carrier, the aircraft type and for bonus points the intermediate stop.

9) This airline was operating the only service from Los Angeles (LAX) to Kona, Hawaii (KOA) at this time with a onestop, direct flight. Name the carrier, the equipment flown on the route and for more bonus points the intermediate stop. ANSWERED

10) This airline was flying the only service between Resolute (YRB) in far northern Canada (Resolute is located about 400 miles from the North Pole) and Montreal (YUL). The flight operated twice a week, made two (2) intermediate stops and covered a distance of 2123 miles between YRB and YUL. Identify the airline, the equipment flown and for even more bonus points the two intermediate stops. ANSWERED

Originally Posted by jlemon

Just a short time ago, a FedEx DC-10-10 (actually a MD-10-10F) landed at ARA en route from MEM for some paint work at the AvEx hangar facility complex located here on the airfield. The registration of this aircraft is N564FE. Identify a former operator of this DC-10 and also explain the difference between a DC-10 and a MD-10.

Also on the AvEx ramp at ARA at present is a B777-300. This aircraft has a uniform gray paint job with no distinguishing markings of any kind although the tail is painted white. The registration of this aircraft is N720AN. Who does this triple-7 belong to at present and who do you think will be operating the aircraft in the future?

Originally Posted by Wally Bird

What are American and American, Alex.