Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion.
Dec 10, 2012, 3:05 pm
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Things have warmed up nicely here in the Interior with temperatures above zero for the first time since early November. My nearest neighbors and I celebrated with stuffed clams, a bottle of Chardonnay and some old movies. Alas, the warming spell will be short lived. By Friday temperatures are supposed to head back below zero.
Before I head into town to refill my propane tank and restock my water jugs, here are a few new questions to ponder.
The first TWELVE questions have been taken from the March 15, 1974 edition of the OAG:
1. Name the four airlines and their respective aircraft operating nonstop service between Montego Bay and New York.
2. Name the three airlines operating DC-9-10 equipment between New York (any airport) and Washington, DC. (any airport). ANSWERED
3. You’re perusing the schedules for your upcoming trip from Minneapolis to Washington, DC and hey – Northwest is offering a three stop DC-10 flight on the route. With dinner enroute no less! Three stops?! Where would they possibly stop that big airplane three times over such a short distance? ANSWERED
4. You need to get from chilly Rochester, New York to sunny Miami, Florida. You were fully expecting to have to make a connection in Atlanta or New York but are surprised to find a morning nonstop that’ll allow you to meet friends for a late lunch at Miami’s iconic Fontainebleau Hotel. What airline offered this service? Bonus: How do the locals pronounce the name of this hotel? ANSWERED
5. Once again, you find yourself flying from Kansas City to Dallas. Nothing against Braniff who offer nine weekday nonstop on the route, but in the interests of variety just once you’d like to fly aboard someone else. The schedules indicate that one other airline offers a single nonstop flight departing at 8:40am, arriving at 9:58am with breakfast served enroute. What airline is this? And what kind of equipment would they be using? ANSWERED
6. You’re in Salt Lake City and need to get to Mexico City. You’re surprised to find a single direct flight with two enroute stops along the way. It departs at 2:45pm, arriving at 8:40pm. Name the airline, aircraft and route followed between Salt Lake and Mexico City. ANSWERED
7. You’re in New Orleans and need to fly to Houston. There is no shortage of flights available with nineteen weekday nonstops offered amongst five different airlines. Name the five airlines serving this route and for added bonus, name the two that offer wide-bodied service. ANSWERED
8. This North Dakota city enjoys not one but three daily nonstop flights on Northwest from Winnipeg. The one way coach fare is $20.52, though First Class can be yours for just $6.48 more. A snack is offered on each flight. It is the only city in North Dakota with scheduled nonstop service to Canada. What city in North Dakota is this? ANSWERED
9. Northwest is well known for its multi-stop flights through North Dakota and Montana enroute to the Pacific Northwest. What is the one North Dakota city that does not have any direct service on Northwest to either Seattle, Portland or Spokane?
10. In November of 1974, Lake Tahoe was being served by one Intra-State carrier and a handful of smaller commuter carriers. What was the sole Intra-State carrier serving Lake Tahoe? What equipment did it utilize and what cities did it offer nonstop service to Lake Tahoe from? ANSWERED
11. You want to fly nonstop from La Paz, Mexico to Los Angeles. What airline would you call? ANSWERED
12. This airline offered the only nonstop service between the Mainland and Hawaii that did not include a First Class cabin. Name the airline, its aircraft and the routes it flew between the mainland and Hawaii on these all coach flights.
The following EIGHT questions are based upon schedules published in the November 15th, 1970 OAG
13. Name five California cities that in November of 1970 had scheduled air service operated by aircraft offering 30 or more seats but now have no scheduled airline service at all. ANSWERED
14. As of November 1970 there were – so far as I know – only two U.S. transcontinental routes operated with a 727-100. Identify the routes and the airline(s) involved. ANSWERED
15. Name the two airlines that operated all economy class configured 727-200s between San Francisco and Los Angeles. ANSWERED
16. You’re in Memphis and you’ve been asked to join some friends in Missoula for the opening of their new restaurant. Consulting your trusty OAG, you’re surprised to find a direct flight between Memphis and Missoula. There’s only one problem. The schedule indicates that the flight departs Memphis at 1115a and arrives in Missoula at 11:13p. Whaaaat?! Further, where it normally shows the number of enroute stops is instead a hash mark (#). A call to the airline verifies that the times are correct and that this flight makes 14 stops along the way. Identify the airline, the equipment and as many enroute stops as you can. ANSWERED
17. What was Delta’s only transcontinental route flown in November 1970? ANSWERED
18. In November 1970 South Lake Tahoe was served by one Intra-State carrier, two commuter carriers and one full service carrier. Identify the full service carrier along with its route into TVL and the equipment used. ANSWERED
19. Lafayette, Indiana (LAF) and Lafayette, Louisiana (LFT) were each served by only one full service airline operating just a single aircraft type into each airport. Identify the one airline that served each airport and the specific aircraft type that it served that airport with. ANSWERED
20. Everybody knows that Nassau and Freeport enjoyed jet service from a variety of airlines. One U.S. airline offered jet service to one more Bahamian airport. Identify the airline, the airport and the equipment used. ANSWERED
Before I head into town to refill my propane tank and restock my water jugs, here are a few new questions to ponder.
The first TWELVE questions have been taken from the March 15, 1974 edition of the OAG:
1. Name the four airlines and their respective aircraft operating nonstop service between Montego Bay and New York.
2. Name the three airlines operating DC-9-10 equipment between New York (any airport) and Washington, DC. (any airport). ANSWERED
3. You’re perusing the schedules for your upcoming trip from Minneapolis to Washington, DC and hey – Northwest is offering a three stop DC-10 flight on the route. With dinner enroute no less! Three stops?! Where would they possibly stop that big airplane three times over such a short distance? ANSWERED
4. You need to get from chilly Rochester, New York to sunny Miami, Florida. You were fully expecting to have to make a connection in Atlanta or New York but are surprised to find a morning nonstop that’ll allow you to meet friends for a late lunch at Miami’s iconic Fontainebleau Hotel. What airline offered this service? Bonus: How do the locals pronounce the name of this hotel? ANSWERED
5. Once again, you find yourself flying from Kansas City to Dallas. Nothing against Braniff who offer nine weekday nonstop on the route, but in the interests of variety just once you’d like to fly aboard someone else. The schedules indicate that one other airline offers a single nonstop flight departing at 8:40am, arriving at 9:58am with breakfast served enroute. What airline is this? And what kind of equipment would they be using? ANSWERED
6. You’re in Salt Lake City and need to get to Mexico City. You’re surprised to find a single direct flight with two enroute stops along the way. It departs at 2:45pm, arriving at 8:40pm. Name the airline, aircraft and route followed between Salt Lake and Mexico City. ANSWERED
7. You’re in New Orleans and need to fly to Houston. There is no shortage of flights available with nineteen weekday nonstops offered amongst five different airlines. Name the five airlines serving this route and for added bonus, name the two that offer wide-bodied service. ANSWERED
8. This North Dakota city enjoys not one but three daily nonstop flights on Northwest from Winnipeg. The one way coach fare is $20.52, though First Class can be yours for just $6.48 more. A snack is offered on each flight. It is the only city in North Dakota with scheduled nonstop service to Canada. What city in North Dakota is this? ANSWERED
9. Northwest is well known for its multi-stop flights through North Dakota and Montana enroute to the Pacific Northwest. What is the one North Dakota city that does not have any direct service on Northwest to either Seattle, Portland or Spokane?
10. In November of 1974, Lake Tahoe was being served by one Intra-State carrier and a handful of smaller commuter carriers. What was the sole Intra-State carrier serving Lake Tahoe? What equipment did it utilize and what cities did it offer nonstop service to Lake Tahoe from? ANSWERED
11. You want to fly nonstop from La Paz, Mexico to Los Angeles. What airline would you call? ANSWERED
12. This airline offered the only nonstop service between the Mainland and Hawaii that did not include a First Class cabin. Name the airline, its aircraft and the routes it flew between the mainland and Hawaii on these all coach flights.
The following EIGHT questions are based upon schedules published in the November 15th, 1970 OAG
13. Name five California cities that in November of 1970 had scheduled air service operated by aircraft offering 30 or more seats but now have no scheduled airline service at all. ANSWERED
14. As of November 1970 there were – so far as I know – only two U.S. transcontinental routes operated with a 727-100. Identify the routes and the airline(s) involved. ANSWERED
15. Name the two airlines that operated all economy class configured 727-200s between San Francisco and Los Angeles. ANSWERED
16. You’re in Memphis and you’ve been asked to join some friends in Missoula for the opening of their new restaurant. Consulting your trusty OAG, you’re surprised to find a direct flight between Memphis and Missoula. There’s only one problem. The schedule indicates that the flight departs Memphis at 1115a and arrives in Missoula at 11:13p. Whaaaat?! Further, where it normally shows the number of enroute stops is instead a hash mark (#). A call to the airline verifies that the times are correct and that this flight makes 14 stops along the way. Identify the airline, the equipment and as many enroute stops as you can. ANSWERED
17. What was Delta’s only transcontinental route flown in November 1970? ANSWERED
18. In November 1970 South Lake Tahoe was served by one Intra-State carrier, two commuter carriers and one full service carrier. Identify the full service carrier along with its route into TVL and the equipment used. ANSWERED
19. Lafayette, Indiana (LAF) and Lafayette, Louisiana (LFT) were each served by only one full service airline operating just a single aircraft type into each airport. Identify the one airline that served each airport and the specific aircraft type that it served that airport with. ANSWERED
20. Everybody knows that Nassau and Freeport enjoyed jet service from a variety of airlines. One U.S. airline offered jet service to one more Bahamian airport. Identify the airline, the airport and the equipment used. ANSWERED
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Dec 10, 2012, 5:23 pm
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Here is the information I have concerning passenger air service into Port of Spain, Trinidad (POS) in July of 1983:
1) ALM Antillean Airlines - MD-80 (aka D98)
2) British Airways - B747-100
3) British West Indian Airways (BWIA) International - L-1011 and DC-9-50 (and I don't think the D9S was used by Bee-Wee for service to LHR!)
4) Cruzeiro - B737-200
5) Guyana Airways - B707 and HS-748
6) KLM Royal Dutch Airlines - DC-10
7) Linea Aeropostal (LAV) - DC-9-30
8) VIASA - MD-80 (aka D98)
BTW, in later years, I flew a number of times nonstop IAH-POS r/t on board Continental B737-800 aircraft, usually in the front cabin as I was a CO Platinum Elite at the time. Depending on the winds aloft which affected the actual route at times, this was a scenic 5+ hour flight from POS to IAH as the aircraft would depart west along the coast of Venezuela, fly over the Dutch ABC islands as well as the western tip of Jamaica, head over the Cayman Channel with Grand Cayman Island on the left and the islands of Cayman Brac & Little Cayman on the right, cross over the western tip of Cuba and then on over the Gulf of Mexico to IAH......
Dec 10, 2012, 5:34 pm
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Things have warmed up nicely here in the Interior with temperatures above zero for the first time since early November. My nearest neighbors and I celebrated with stuffed clams, a bottle of Chardonnay and some old movies. Alas, the warming spell will be short lived. By Friday temperatures are supposed to head back below zero.
Before I head into town to refill my propane tank and restock my water jugs, here are a few new questions to ponder.
The first TWELVE questions have been taken from the March 15, 1974 edition of the OAG:
1. Name the four airlines and their respective aircraft operating nonstop service between Montego Bay and New York.
2. Name the three airlines operating DC-9-10 equipment between New York (any airport) and Washington, DC. (any airport).
3. You’re perusing the schedules for your upcoming trip from Minneapolis to Washington, DC and hey – Northwest is offering a three stop DC-10 flight on the route. With dinner enroute no less! Three stops?! Where would they possibly stop that big airplane three times over such a short distance?
4. You need to get from chilly Rochester, New York to sunny Miami, Florida. You were fully expecting to have to make a connection in Atlanta or New York but are surprised to find a morning nonstop that’ll allow you to meet friends for a late lunch at Miami’s iconic Fontainebleau Hotel. What airline offered this service? Bonus: How do the locals pronounce the name of this hotel?
5. Once again, you find yourself flying from Kansas City to Dallas. Nothing against Braniff who offer nine weekday nonstop on the route, but in the interests of variety just once you’d like to fly aboard someone else. The schedules indicate that one other airline offers a single nonstop flight departing at 8:40am, arriving at 9:58am with breakfast served enroute. What airline is this? And what kind of equipment would they be using?
6. You’re in Salt Lake City and need to get to Mexico City. You’re surprised to find a single direct flight with two enroute stops along the way. It departs at 2:45pm, arriving at 8:40pm. Name the airline, aircraft and route followed between Salt Lake and Mexico City.
7. You’re in New Orleans and need to fly to Houston. There is no shortage of flights available with nineteen weekday nonstops offered amongst five different airlines. Name the five airlines serving this route and for added bonus, name the two that offer wide-bodied service.
8. This North Dakota city enjoys not one but three daily nonstop flights on Northwest from Winnipeg. The one way coach fare is $20.52, though First Class can be yours for just $6.48 more. A snack is offered on each flight. It is the only city in North Dakota with scheduled nonstop service to Canada. What city in North Dakota is this?
9. Northwest is well known for its multi-stop flights through North Dakota and Montana enroute to the Pacific Northwest. What is the one North Dakota city that does not have any direct service on Northwest to either Seattle, Portland or Spokane?
10. In November of 1974, Lake Tahoe was being served by one Intra-State carrier and a handful of smaller commuter carriers. I don do no steenkin’ commuter carriers here, so the question is what was the Intra-State carrier serving Lake Tahoe? What equipment did it utilize and what cities did it offer nonstop service to Lake Tahoe from?
11. You want to fly nonstop from La Paz, Mexico to Los Angeles. What airline would you call?
12. This airline offered the only nonstop service between the Mainland and Hawaii that did not include a First Class cabin. Name the airline, its aircraft and the routes it flew between the mainland and Hawaii on these all coach flights.
The following EIGHT questions are based upon schedules published in the November 15th, 1970 OAG
13. Name five California cities that in November of 1970 had scheduled air service operated by aircraft offering 30 or more seats but now have no scheduled airline service at all.
14. As of November 1970 there were – so far as I know – only two U.S. transcontinental routes operated with a 727-100. Identify the routes and the airline(s) involved.
15. Name the two airlines that operated all economy class configured 727-200s between San Francisco and Los Angeles
16. You’re in Memphis and you’ve been asked to join some friends in Missoula for the opening of their new restaurant. Consulting your trusty OAG, you’re surprised to find a direct flight between Memphis and Missoula. There’s only one problem. The schedule indicates that the flight departs Memphis at 1115a and arrives in Missoula at 11:13p. Whaaaat?! Further, where it normally shows the number of enroute stops is instead a hash mark (#). A call to the airline verifies that the times are correct and that this flight makes 14 stops along the way. Identify the airline, the equipment and as many enroute stops as you can.
17. What was Delta’s only transcontinental route flown in November 1970?
18. In November 1970 South Lake Tahoe was served by one Intra-State carrier, two commuter carriers and one full service carrier. Identify the full service carrier along with its route into TVL and the equipment used.
19. Lafayette, Indiana (LAF) and Lafayette, Louisiana (LFT) were each served by only one full service airline operating just a single aircraft type into each airport. Identify the one airline that served each airport and the specific aircraft type that it served that airport with.
20. Everybody knows that Nassau and Freeport enjoyed jet service from a variety of airlines. One U.S. airline offered jet service to one more Bahamian airport. Identify the airline, the airport and the equipment used.
Before I head into town to refill my propane tank and restock my water jugs, here are a few new questions to ponder.
The first TWELVE questions have been taken from the March 15, 1974 edition of the OAG:
1. Name the four airlines and their respective aircraft operating nonstop service between Montego Bay and New York.
2. Name the three airlines operating DC-9-10 equipment between New York (any airport) and Washington, DC. (any airport).
3. You’re perusing the schedules for your upcoming trip from Minneapolis to Washington, DC and hey – Northwest is offering a three stop DC-10 flight on the route. With dinner enroute no less! Three stops?! Where would they possibly stop that big airplane three times over such a short distance?
4. You need to get from chilly Rochester, New York to sunny Miami, Florida. You were fully expecting to have to make a connection in Atlanta or New York but are surprised to find a morning nonstop that’ll allow you to meet friends for a late lunch at Miami’s iconic Fontainebleau Hotel. What airline offered this service? Bonus: How do the locals pronounce the name of this hotel?
5. Once again, you find yourself flying from Kansas City to Dallas. Nothing against Braniff who offer nine weekday nonstop on the route, but in the interests of variety just once you’d like to fly aboard someone else. The schedules indicate that one other airline offers a single nonstop flight departing at 8:40am, arriving at 9:58am with breakfast served enroute. What airline is this? And what kind of equipment would they be using?
6. You’re in Salt Lake City and need to get to Mexico City. You’re surprised to find a single direct flight with two enroute stops along the way. It departs at 2:45pm, arriving at 8:40pm. Name the airline, aircraft and route followed between Salt Lake and Mexico City.
7. You’re in New Orleans and need to fly to Houston. There is no shortage of flights available with nineteen weekday nonstops offered amongst five different airlines. Name the five airlines serving this route and for added bonus, name the two that offer wide-bodied service.
8. This North Dakota city enjoys not one but three daily nonstop flights on Northwest from Winnipeg. The one way coach fare is $20.52, though First Class can be yours for just $6.48 more. A snack is offered on each flight. It is the only city in North Dakota with scheduled nonstop service to Canada. What city in North Dakota is this?
9. Northwest is well known for its multi-stop flights through North Dakota and Montana enroute to the Pacific Northwest. What is the one North Dakota city that does not have any direct service on Northwest to either Seattle, Portland or Spokane?
10. In November of 1974, Lake Tahoe was being served by one Intra-State carrier and a handful of smaller commuter carriers. I don do no steenkin’ commuter carriers here, so the question is what was the Intra-State carrier serving Lake Tahoe? What equipment did it utilize and what cities did it offer nonstop service to Lake Tahoe from?
11. You want to fly nonstop from La Paz, Mexico to Los Angeles. What airline would you call?
12. This airline offered the only nonstop service between the Mainland and Hawaii that did not include a First Class cabin. Name the airline, its aircraft and the routes it flew between the mainland and Hawaii on these all coach flights.
The following EIGHT questions are based upon schedules published in the November 15th, 1970 OAG
13. Name five California cities that in November of 1970 had scheduled air service operated by aircraft offering 30 or more seats but now have no scheduled airline service at all.
14. As of November 1970 there were – so far as I know – only two U.S. transcontinental routes operated with a 727-100. Identify the routes and the airline(s) involved.
15. Name the two airlines that operated all economy class configured 727-200s between San Francisco and Los Angeles
16. You’re in Memphis and you’ve been asked to join some friends in Missoula for the opening of their new restaurant. Consulting your trusty OAG, you’re surprised to find a direct flight between Memphis and Missoula. There’s only one problem. The schedule indicates that the flight departs Memphis at 1115a and arrives in Missoula at 11:13p. Whaaaat?! Further, where it normally shows the number of enroute stops is instead a hash mark (#). A call to the airline verifies that the times are correct and that this flight makes 14 stops along the way. Identify the airline, the equipment and as many enroute stops as you can.
17. What was Delta’s only transcontinental route flown in November 1970?
18. In November 1970 South Lake Tahoe was served by one Intra-State carrier, two commuter carriers and one full service carrier. Identify the full service carrier along with its route into TVL and the equipment used.
19. Lafayette, Indiana (LAF) and Lafayette, Louisiana (LFT) were each served by only one full service airline operating just a single aircraft type into each airport. Identify the one airline that served each airport and the specific aircraft type that it served that airport with.
20. Everybody knows that Nassau and Freeport enjoyed jet service from a variety of airlines. One U.S. airline offered jet service to one more Bahamian airport. Identify the airline, the airport and the equipment used.
8. Grand Forks, ND (GFK) with Northwest Airlines (NW) service. I'll guess the aircraft was a B727 (although NW also had been known to operate a L-188 Electra on the route prior to the Lockheed turboprop being phased out of their fleet).
20. Rock Sound, Bahamas (RSD) with Pan Am B707 service from JFK via NAS.
Dec 10, 2012, 6:22 pm
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The first TWELVE questions have been taken from the March 15, 1974 edition of the OAG:
10. In November of 1974, Lake Tahoe was being served by one Intra-State carrier and a handful of smaller commuter carriers. I don do no steenkin’ commuter carriers here, so the question is what was the Intra-State carrier serving Lake Tahoe? What equipment did it utilize and what cities did it offer nonstop service to Lake Tahoe from?
10. In November of 1974, Lake Tahoe was being served by one Intra-State carrier and a handful of smaller commuter carriers. I don do no steenkin’ commuter carriers here, so the question is what was the Intra-State carrier serving Lake Tahoe? What equipment did it utilize and what cities did it offer nonstop service to Lake Tahoe from?
Dec 10, 2012, 7:58 pm
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8. This North Dakota city enjoys not one but three daily nonstop flights on Northwest from Winnipeg. The one way coach fare is $20.52, though First Class can be yours for just $6.48 more. A snack is offered on each flight. What city in North Dakota is this?
Grand Forks, ND (GFK) with Northwest Airlines (NW) service. I'll guess the aircraft was a B727
20. Everybody knows that Nassau and Freeport enjoyed jet service from a variety of airlines. One U.S. airline offered jet service to one more Bahamian airport. Identify the airline, the airport and the equipment used.
Rock Sound, Bahamas (RSD) with Pan Am B707 service from JFK via NAS
Correct on both counts, jlemon! All three of Northwest's flights between YWG and GFK were operated with 727-200 aircraft. Grand Forks is the oldest major city in The Dakotas and has a long history of commerce along the the Red River Trails between St. Paul, Minnesota and Fort Garry (now Winnipeg, Manitoba). The airport was designated an "Airport of Entry"(with U.S. Customs facilities) back in 1930.
Pan American's 707s were indeed able to get into Rock Sound's 7200' runway. I don't know what the minimum runway length requirements are or were for a 707 but 7200' sounds a bit tight. These days, Rock Sound is served by Bahamasair DHC-8-400 out of Nassau and George Town.
10. In November of 1974, Lake Tahoe was being served by one Intra-State carrier and a handful of smaller commuter carriers. I don do no steenkin’ commuter carriers here, so the question is what was the Intra-State carrier serving Lake Tahoe? What equipment did it utilize and what cities did it offer nonstop service to Lake Tahoe from?
There is no indication in the 3/15/74 OAG that service into TVL would not commence until November, eight months later. Typically, such service date indications are posted closer to the date of the service, i.e. the October or November OAGs. Nor is there anything else posted in the 3/15/1974 OAG that you would need to be aware of regarding service into Lake Tahoe.
Grand Forks, ND (GFK) with Northwest Airlines (NW) service. I'll guess the aircraft was a B727
20. Everybody knows that Nassau and Freeport enjoyed jet service from a variety of airlines. One U.S. airline offered jet service to one more Bahamian airport. Identify the airline, the airport and the equipment used.
Rock Sound, Bahamas (RSD) with Pan Am B707 service from JFK via NAS
Correct on both counts, jlemon! All three of Northwest's flights between YWG and GFK were operated with 727-200 aircraft. Grand Forks is the oldest major city in The Dakotas and has a long history of commerce along the the Red River Trails between St. Paul, Minnesota and Fort Garry (now Winnipeg, Manitoba). The airport was designated an "Airport of Entry"(with U.S. Customs facilities) back in 1930.
Pan American's 707s were indeed able to get into Rock Sound's 7200' runway. I don't know what the minimum runway length requirements are or were for a 707 but 7200' sounds a bit tight. These days, Rock Sound is served by Bahamasair DHC-8-400 out of Nassau and George Town.
10. In November of 1974, Lake Tahoe was being served by one Intra-State carrier and a handful of smaller commuter carriers. I don do no steenkin’ commuter carriers here, so the question is what was the Intra-State carrier serving Lake Tahoe? What equipment did it utilize and what cities did it offer nonstop service to Lake Tahoe from?
There is no indication in the 3/15/74 OAG that service into TVL would not commence until November, eight months later. Typically, such service date indications are posted closer to the date of the service, i.e. the October or November OAGs. Nor is there anything else posted in the 3/15/1974 OAG that you would need to be aware of regarding service into Lake Tahoe.
Dec 11, 2012, 12:00 am
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10. In November of 1974, Lake Tahoe was being served by one Intra-State carrier and a handful of smaller commuter carriers. I don do no steenkin’ commuter carriers here, so the question is what was the Intra-State carrier serving Lake Tahoe? What equipment did it utilize and what cities did it offer nonstop service to Lake Tahoe from?
There is no indication in the 3/15/74 OAG that service into TVL would not commence until November, eight months later. Typically, such service date indications are posted closer to the date of the service, i.e. the October or November OAGs. Nor is there anything else posted in the 3/15/1974 OAG that you would need to be aware of regarding service into Lake Tahoe.
There is no indication in the 3/15/74 OAG that service into TVL would not commence until November, eight months later. Typically, such service date indications are posted closer to the date of the service, i.e. the October or November OAGs. Nor is there anything else posted in the 3/15/1974 OAG that you would need to be aware of regarding service into Lake Tahoe.
Dec 11, 2012, 1:24 am
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Bear in mind that every 707 built took off from the 5,300 ft strip at Renton, where they were built.
Dec 11, 2012, 8:01 am
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Aircraft don't have a single runway length as minimum, it depends very much on a whole series of factors. Out of Rock Sound Pan Am will have been carrying just fuel for the hop to Miami, and probably not much cargo; 7,200 ft will have been fine for that. I've been at St Petersburg, Florida (PIE) when the main 9,730 ft runway was closed for resurfacing. Charter A310s operating to Toronto were departing from the alternate 5,900 ft runway without issue.
Bear in mind that every 707 built took off from the 5,300 ft strip at Renton, where they were built.
Bear in mind that every 707 built took off from the 5,300 ft strip at Renton, where they were built.
Dec 11, 2012, 8:20 am
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18. In November 1970 South Lake Tahoe was served by one Intrastate carrier, two commuter carriers and one full service carrier. Identify the full service carrier along with its route into TVL and the equipment used.
By November of 1970, I think Air West had become Hughes Airwest, so that's the full service carrier I'll go with. I believe the route was TVL-SFO and the aircraft was the Fairchild F-27 turboprop.
And I still have fond memories of arriving and then departing from South Lake Tahoe during the summer months many years later on board an ex-Air Cal B737-300 operated by AA!
By November of 1970, I think Air West had become Hughes Airwest, so that's the full service carrier I'll go with. I believe the route was TVL-SFO and the aircraft was the Fairchild F-27 turboprop.
And I still have fond memories of arriving and then departing from South Lake Tahoe during the summer months many years later on board an ex-Air Cal B737-300 operated by AA!
Dec 11, 2012, 12:51 pm
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10. In March of 1974, Lake Tahoe was being served by one Intra-State carrier and a handful of smaller commuter carriers. I don do no steenkin’ commuter carriers here, so the question is what was the Intra-State carrier serving Lake Tahoe? What equipment did it utilize and what cities did it offer nonstop service to Lake Tahoe from?
I'm sorry, AeroWesty, and thanks for catching that error. I must've had a senior moment when I typed up that question, what with the November 1970 OAG also sitting on my desk. I have corrected the question and look forward to your answer!
Thanks also to WHBM for the added commentary on the 707's capabilities. I thought I'd seen a minimum runway length listed in the specifications for the 707 and other aircraft somewhere. Hailing from high altitude Colorado originally, I remember well the really long take off rolls aboard 707s and DC-8s where earth's surly bonds seemed downright feisty at 5,333' Stapleton International.
I wish I'd timed the take off roll when we took off out of La Paz, Bolivia's El Alto International Airport, one of the world's highest at 13,323'. Like most flights out of LPB, we didn't go far - just a short hop down to much lower Santa Cruz where we refueled for the longer leg into Panama City. I'd flown into La Paz from Arica, Chile. The airport there is near sea level and I don't know that we descended into La Paz so much as La Paz rose up to meet us. It was wise to limit pre-departure consumption of Bolivia's tasty Paceña Beer prior to departing from El Alto.
18. In November 1970 South Lake Tahoe was served by one Intra-State carrier, two commuter carriers and one full service carrier. Identify the full service carrier along with its route into TVL and the equipment used.
By November of 1970, I think Air West had become Hughes Airwest, so that's the full service carrier I'll go with. I believe the route was TVL-SFO and the aircraft was the Fairchild F-27 turboprop.
And I still have fond memories of arriving and then departing from South Lake Tahoe during the summer months many years later on board an ex-Air Cal B737-300 operated by AA!
I believe you're correct, jlemon! In 1973 RW asked the CAB for authority to serve TVL through RNO citing "severe operational limitations at the Tahoe Valley Airport caused by weather and terrain" Perhaps more to the point, there were no government subsidies allowed on the route and the cost of operating the flights into TVL exceeded the revenue derived from them.
Thanks also to WHBM for the added commentary on the 707's capabilities. I thought I'd seen a minimum runway length listed in the specifications for the 707 and other aircraft somewhere. Hailing from high altitude Colorado originally, I remember well the really long take off rolls aboard 707s and DC-8s where earth's surly bonds seemed downright feisty at 5,333' Stapleton International.
I wish I'd timed the take off roll when we took off out of La Paz, Bolivia's El Alto International Airport, one of the world's highest at 13,323'. Like most flights out of LPB, we didn't go far - just a short hop down to much lower Santa Cruz where we refueled for the longer leg into Panama City. I'd flown into La Paz from Arica, Chile. The airport there is near sea level and I don't know that we descended into La Paz so much as La Paz rose up to meet us. It was wise to limit pre-departure consumption of Bolivia's tasty Paceña Beer prior to departing from El Alto.
18. In November 1970 South Lake Tahoe was served by one Intra-State carrier, two commuter carriers and one full service carrier. Identify the full service carrier along with its route into TVL and the equipment used.
By November of 1970, I think Air West had become Hughes Airwest, so that's the full service carrier I'll go with. I believe the route was TVL-SFO and the aircraft was the Fairchild F-27 turboprop.
And I still have fond memories of arriving and then departing from South Lake Tahoe during the summer months many years later on board an ex-Air Cal B737-300 operated by AA!
I believe you're correct, jlemon! In 1973 RW asked the CAB for authority to serve TVL through RNO citing "severe operational limitations at the Tahoe Valley Airport caused by weather and terrain" Perhaps more to the point, there were no government subsidies allowed on the route and the cost of operating the flights into TVL exceeded the revenue derived from them.
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Dec 11, 2012, 1:30 pm
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Things have warmed up nicely here in the Interior with temperatures above zero for the first time since early November. My nearest neighbors and I celebrated with stuffed clams, a bottle of Chardonnay and some old movies. Alas, the warming spell will be short lived. By Friday temperatures are supposed to head back below zero.
Before I head into town to refill my propane tank and restock my water jugs, here are a few new questions to ponder.
The first TWELVE questions have been taken from the March 15, 1974 edition of the OAG:
1. Name the four airlines and their respective aircraft operating nonstop service between Montego Bay and New York.
2. Name the three airlines operating DC-9-10 equipment between New York (any airport) and Washington, DC. (any airport).
3. You’re perusing the schedules for your upcoming trip from Minneapolis to Washington, DC and hey – Northwest is offering a three stop DC-10 flight on the route. With dinner enroute no less! Three stops?! Where would they possibly stop that big airplane three times over such a short distance?
4. You need to get from chilly Rochester, New York to sunny Miami, Florida. You were fully expecting to have to make a connection in Atlanta or New York but are surprised to find a morning nonstop that’ll allow you to meet friends for a late lunch at Miami’s iconic Fontainebleau Hotel. What airline offered this service? Bonus: How do the locals pronounce the name of this hotel?
5. Once again, you find yourself flying from Kansas City to Dallas. Nothing against Braniff who offer nine weekday nonstop on the route, but in the interests of variety just once you’d like to fly aboard someone else. The schedules indicate that one other airline offers a single nonstop flight departing at 8:40am, arriving at 9:58am with breakfast served enroute. What airline is this? And what kind of equipment would they be using?
6. You’re in Salt Lake City and need to get to Mexico City. You’re surprised to find a single direct flight with two enroute stops along the way. It departs at 2:45pm, arriving at 8:40pm. Name the airline, aircraft and route followed between Salt Lake and Mexico City.
7. You’re in New Orleans and need to fly to Houston. There is no shortage of flights available with nineteen weekday nonstops offered amongst five different airlines. Name the five airlines serving this route and for added bonus, name the two that offer wide-bodied service.
8. This North Dakota city enjoys not one but three daily nonstop flights on Northwest from Winnipeg. The one way coach fare is $20.52, though First Class can be yours for just $6.48 more. A snack is offered on each flight. It is the only city in North Dakota with scheduled nonstop service to Canada. What city in North Dakota is this? ANSWERED
9. Northwest is well known for its multi-stop flights through North Dakota and Montana enroute to the Pacific Northwest. What is the one North Dakota city that does not have any direct service on Northwest to either Seattle, Portland or Spokane?
10. In November of 1974, Lake Tahoe was being served by one Intra-State carrier and a handful of smaller commuter carriers. I don do no steenkin’ commuter carriers here, so the question is what was the Intra-State carrier serving Lake Tahoe? What equipment did it utilize and what cities did it offer nonstop service to Lake Tahoe from?
11. You want to fly nonstop from La Paz, Mexico to Los Angeles. What airline would you call?
12. This airline offered the only nonstop service between the Mainland and Hawaii that did not include a First Class cabin. Name the airline, its aircraft and the routes it flew between the mainland and Hawaii on these all coach flights.
The following EIGHT questions are based upon schedules published in the November 15th, 1970 OAG
13. Name five California cities that in November of 1970 had scheduled air service operated by aircraft offering 30 or more seats but now have no scheduled airline service at all.
14. As of November 1970 there were – so far as I know – only two U.S. transcontinental routes operated with a 727-100. Identify the routes and the airline(s) involved.
15. Name the two airlines that operated all economy class configured 727-200s between San Francisco and Los Angeles
16. You’re in Memphis and you’ve been asked to join some friends in Missoula for the opening of their new restaurant. Consulting your trusty OAG, you’re surprised to find a direct flight between Memphis and Missoula. There’s only one problem. The schedule indicates that the flight departs Memphis at 1115a and arrives in Missoula at 11:13p. Whaaaat?! Further, where it normally shows the number of enroute stops is instead a hash mark (#). A call to the airline verifies that the times are correct and that this flight makes 14 stops along the way. Identify the airline, the equipment and as many enroute stops as you can.
17. What was Delta’s only transcontinental route flown in November 1970?
18. In November 1970 South Lake Tahoe was served by one Intra-State carrier, two commuter carriers and one full service carrier. Identify the full service carrier along with its route into TVL and the equipment used. ANSWERED
19. Lafayette, Indiana (LAF) and Lafayette, Louisiana (LFT) were each served by only one full service airline operating just a single aircraft type into each airport. Identify the one airline that served each airport and the specific aircraft type that it served that airport with.
20. Everybody knows that Nassau and Freeport enjoyed jet service from a variety of airlines. One U.S. airline offered jet service to one more Bahamian airport. Identify the airline, the airport and the equipment used. ANSWERED
Before I head into town to refill my propane tank and restock my water jugs, here are a few new questions to ponder.
The first TWELVE questions have been taken from the March 15, 1974 edition of the OAG:
1. Name the four airlines and their respective aircraft operating nonstop service between Montego Bay and New York.
2. Name the three airlines operating DC-9-10 equipment between New York (any airport) and Washington, DC. (any airport).
3. You’re perusing the schedules for your upcoming trip from Minneapolis to Washington, DC and hey – Northwest is offering a three stop DC-10 flight on the route. With dinner enroute no less! Three stops?! Where would they possibly stop that big airplane three times over such a short distance?
4. You need to get from chilly Rochester, New York to sunny Miami, Florida. You were fully expecting to have to make a connection in Atlanta or New York but are surprised to find a morning nonstop that’ll allow you to meet friends for a late lunch at Miami’s iconic Fontainebleau Hotel. What airline offered this service? Bonus: How do the locals pronounce the name of this hotel?
5. Once again, you find yourself flying from Kansas City to Dallas. Nothing against Braniff who offer nine weekday nonstop on the route, but in the interests of variety just once you’d like to fly aboard someone else. The schedules indicate that one other airline offers a single nonstop flight departing at 8:40am, arriving at 9:58am with breakfast served enroute. What airline is this? And what kind of equipment would they be using?
6. You’re in Salt Lake City and need to get to Mexico City. You’re surprised to find a single direct flight with two enroute stops along the way. It departs at 2:45pm, arriving at 8:40pm. Name the airline, aircraft and route followed between Salt Lake and Mexico City.
7. You’re in New Orleans and need to fly to Houston. There is no shortage of flights available with nineteen weekday nonstops offered amongst five different airlines. Name the five airlines serving this route and for added bonus, name the two that offer wide-bodied service.
8. This North Dakota city enjoys not one but three daily nonstop flights on Northwest from Winnipeg. The one way coach fare is $20.52, though First Class can be yours for just $6.48 more. A snack is offered on each flight. It is the only city in North Dakota with scheduled nonstop service to Canada. What city in North Dakota is this? ANSWERED
9. Northwest is well known for its multi-stop flights through North Dakota and Montana enroute to the Pacific Northwest. What is the one North Dakota city that does not have any direct service on Northwest to either Seattle, Portland or Spokane?
10. In November of 1974, Lake Tahoe was being served by one Intra-State carrier and a handful of smaller commuter carriers. I don do no steenkin’ commuter carriers here, so the question is what was the Intra-State carrier serving Lake Tahoe? What equipment did it utilize and what cities did it offer nonstop service to Lake Tahoe from?
11. You want to fly nonstop from La Paz, Mexico to Los Angeles. What airline would you call?
12. This airline offered the only nonstop service between the Mainland and Hawaii that did not include a First Class cabin. Name the airline, its aircraft and the routes it flew between the mainland and Hawaii on these all coach flights.
The following EIGHT questions are based upon schedules published in the November 15th, 1970 OAG
13. Name five California cities that in November of 1970 had scheduled air service operated by aircraft offering 30 or more seats but now have no scheduled airline service at all.
14. As of November 1970 there were – so far as I know – only two U.S. transcontinental routes operated with a 727-100. Identify the routes and the airline(s) involved.
15. Name the two airlines that operated all economy class configured 727-200s between San Francisco and Los Angeles
16. You’re in Memphis and you’ve been asked to join some friends in Missoula for the opening of their new restaurant. Consulting your trusty OAG, you’re surprised to find a direct flight between Memphis and Missoula. There’s only one problem. The schedule indicates that the flight departs Memphis at 1115a and arrives in Missoula at 11:13p. Whaaaat?! Further, where it normally shows the number of enroute stops is instead a hash mark (#). A call to the airline verifies that the times are correct and that this flight makes 14 stops along the way. Identify the airline, the equipment and as many enroute stops as you can.
17. What was Delta’s only transcontinental route flown in November 1970?
18. In November 1970 South Lake Tahoe was served by one Intra-State carrier, two commuter carriers and one full service carrier. Identify the full service carrier along with its route into TVL and the equipment used. ANSWERED
19. Lafayette, Indiana (LAF) and Lafayette, Louisiana (LFT) were each served by only one full service airline operating just a single aircraft type into each airport. Identify the one airline that served each airport and the specific aircraft type that it served that airport with.
20. Everybody knows that Nassau and Freeport enjoyed jet service from a variety of airlines. One U.S. airline offered jet service to one more Bahamian airport. Identify the airline, the airport and the equipment used. ANSWERED
3. DTW, BOS, and JFK
4. Allegheny (presursor of USAir and by 1974 would have included Mohawk, primary carrier in upstate NY)
5. Delta (DFW was once a hub)
15. PSA was one
Dec 11, 2012, 2:35 pm
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I'm going to try guessing at a few of these:
3. You’re perusing the schedules for your upcoming trip from Minneapolis to Washington, DC and hey – Northwest is offering a three stop DC-10 flight on the route. With dinner enroute no less! Three stops?! Where would they possibly stop that big airplane three times over such a short distance?
3. DTW, BOS, and JFK
Welcome aboard, MSPeconomist, and thanks for your input. Detroit was one of the cities this flight stopped at. Dinner was served out of Detroit to the next stop enroute, then it was on to Washington. Hint: Of the three total stops, DTW was the second.
4. You need to get from chilly Rochester, New York to sunny Miami, Florida. You were fully expecting to have to make a connection in Atlanta or New York but are surprised to find a morning nonstop that’ll allow you to meet friends for a late lunch at Miami’s iconic Fontainebleau Hotel. What airline offered this service? Bonus: How do the locals pronounce the name of this hotel?
4. Allegheny (presursor of USAir and by 1974 would have included Mohawk, primary carrier in upstate NY)
Allegheny was indeed quite a presence in upstate New York but in 1974 was still very much a regional carrier. I remember flying on Allegheny Liberty Fares in 1977 and the farthest south AL flew at that time was to Memphis. I don't believe the Florida service started until after deregulation in 1978. By the time I flew on my last Liberty Fare pass in July 1979, Allegheny had changed its name to US Air and did indeed serve Florida though not with any nonstops from upstate New York.
Congratulations to cs57 for submitting the correct answer as highlighted below:
4) Rochester, NY /Miami--1974--
LV ROC 9:00am AR MIA 11:50am UNITED 961 using 72S (daily)
5. Once again, you find yourself flying from Kansas City to Dallas. Nothing against Braniff who offer nine weekday nonstops on the route, but in the interests of variety just once you’d like to fly aboard someone else. The schedules indicate that one other airline offers a single nonstop flight departing at 8:40am, arriving at 9:58am with breakfast served enroute. What airline is this? And what kind of equipment would they be using?
5. Delta (DFW was once a hub)
Again, a good choice given Delta's strong presence at DFW (which had just opened only two months earlier) but alas, it was a different airline...
15. Name the two airlines that operated all economy class configured 727-200s between San Francisco and Los Angeles
15. PSA was one
Indeed it was! And the other one was _____________________?
3. You’re perusing the schedules for your upcoming trip from Minneapolis to Washington, DC and hey – Northwest is offering a three stop DC-10 flight on the route. With dinner enroute no less! Three stops?! Where would they possibly stop that big airplane three times over such a short distance?
3. DTW, BOS, and JFK
Welcome aboard, MSPeconomist, and thanks for your input. Detroit was one of the cities this flight stopped at. Dinner was served out of Detroit to the next stop enroute, then it was on to Washington. Hint: Of the three total stops, DTW was the second.
4. You need to get from chilly Rochester, New York to sunny Miami, Florida. You were fully expecting to have to make a connection in Atlanta or New York but are surprised to find a morning nonstop that’ll allow you to meet friends for a late lunch at Miami’s iconic Fontainebleau Hotel. What airline offered this service? Bonus: How do the locals pronounce the name of this hotel?
4. Allegheny (presursor of USAir and by 1974 would have included Mohawk, primary carrier in upstate NY)
Allegheny was indeed quite a presence in upstate New York but in 1974 was still very much a regional carrier. I remember flying on Allegheny Liberty Fares in 1977 and the farthest south AL flew at that time was to Memphis. I don't believe the Florida service started until after deregulation in 1978. By the time I flew on my last Liberty Fare pass in July 1979, Allegheny had changed its name to US Air and did indeed serve Florida though not with any nonstops from upstate New York.
Congratulations to cs57 for submitting the correct answer as highlighted below:
4) Rochester, NY /Miami--1974--
LV ROC 9:00am AR MIA 11:50am UNITED 961 using 72S (daily)
5. Once again, you find yourself flying from Kansas City to Dallas. Nothing against Braniff who offer nine weekday nonstops on the route, but in the interests of variety just once you’d like to fly aboard someone else. The schedules indicate that one other airline offers a single nonstop flight departing at 8:40am, arriving at 9:58am with breakfast served enroute. What airline is this? And what kind of equipment would they be using?
5. Delta (DFW was once a hub)
Again, a good choice given Delta's strong presence at DFW (which had just opened only two months earlier) but alas, it was a different airline...
15. Name the two airlines that operated all economy class configured 727-200s between San Francisco and Los Angeles
15. PSA was one
Indeed it was! And the other one was _____________________?
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5) Kansas City/Dallas (1974) The morning nonstop (other than Braniff) was on: Frontier #41 8:40am/9:58am using 73S aircraft. (did not operate on SUN)
Returning service on #46 left Dallas at 5:25pm, arriving Kansas City at 6:45pm using 73S (did not operate on SAT)
Braniff used a mix of 727 and 72S on this route.
Returning service on #46 left Dallas at 5:25pm, arriving Kansas City at 6:45pm using 73S (did not operate on SAT)
Braniff used a mix of 727 and 72S on this route.
Last edited by cs57; Dec 11, 2012 at 3:39 pm Reason: correcting info