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Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:41 am
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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
...
3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
...
Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
...
L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
...
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
...
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
...
4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:
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Old Nov 10, 2014, 9:26 pm
  #7636  
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: IL
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Originally Posted by zozeppelin
Excellent point evasion.

Web browsers are generating requests made available by the sites they are browsing (clicking on links). My point is KVS was generating post requests that were not available to any user browsing p0soshok. Clearly generating custom post requests is something a web browser can't do by definition, because it is browsing what is available, not constructing custom requests of which it should have no knowledge of based on available public information on the website / html - this is a program.
Again, ignored the charge (generating html post statements not available in any other "web browser" or publicly available link) but read to accuse me of breaking user agreement.

Publicly available prior art:
https://github.com/aardvarkk/threeex
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Old Nov 10, 2014, 9:29 pm
  #7637  
 
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Originally Posted by zozeppelin
Which brings up an interesting observation, a web browser is not a web browser anymore if it is generating its own unique http post requests that are not otherwise available in the accessible http source when accessing the site. At which point you are not passively browsing, you are actively generating server requests.

Such was the case with our Russian fare friends with the "TARIFF" modification in the post string that does not exist anywhere on their website.

But to answer your question, the browser http header can be filled with whatever you want. Could be nothing or could be "User-Agent: KVS 7.5 (Scrapping your sh!t)". The sites have no idea about KVS because the web requests are coming from your computer (IP) and with your unique session information (cookies) at times with your credentials (login id, password). But you do hit on a good point, automatic agents such as this are supposed to follow the robot.txt rules.

I'm guessing if someone was able to put together the evidence for flight stats that the heavy traffic without ad image opening was due to solely to KVS Tool and not a widespread user group (as what it would appear from their server end with all the IPs) then maybe they would reconsider their business decision.
Same publicly available prior art and same ignoring of the the charge of creating html post requests which is not a feature of a web browser, rather a program, because there is no link available on the internet which would create the html post request KVS was making which means it is not a web browser because it is not browsing, it is creating requests that do not exist on the world wide web.

https://github.com/aardvarkk/threeex
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Old Nov 10, 2014, 9:32 pm
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Originally Posted by zozeppelin
Correction:
It took only 1 day to find an option (and update scrapper/GUI/error handling, which is no trivial matter). [f@recompare]
Then it only took a couple hours for that to be shut down.
Then 3 days later found another one. [flyflytr@vel]
How long will this take to get shut down?

I do feel for the guy in some ways but honestly and communication would go a long way. In the absence of both, it is pretty amusing watching whack a mole.
Well known publicly available prior art:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...rce-sites.html
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Old Nov 10, 2014, 9:53 pm
  #7639  
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Originally Posted by KVS
Specific examples can be found in Posts #7247 & #7207.
In 7207, I provided a link to Fiddler. If providing instructions to a 3rd party software somehow makes me guilty of violating KVS agreement, then what should we conclude when you provided instructions on how to obtain an unauthorized GTC account as it relates to "unauthorized access” legislation such as 18 U.S.C. § 1030?

In 7247, I’m monitoring traffic running on my machine. Once Fiddler is running, it monitors all HTTP traffic regardless of client.
  • So are you saying that if one installs KVS, one cannot look at the logs generated by Fiddler?
  • What about the ones generated by their router?
  • What about firewire logs?
  • Or perhaps you are suggesting that donors need explicit permission from KVS to look at their logs if KVS is installed?
  • Or are you saying KVS should be installed on a machine solely dedicated to KVS so that there can be no confusion as to why a donor would have a need to look at their network logs?

I also love the part "proprietary algorithms or data (including, but not limited to, Bookmarks)." Are there actually any proprietary bookmarks in KVS?

Last edited by seawolf; Nov 10, 2014 at 9:58 pm
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Old Nov 10, 2014, 11:14 pm
  #7640  
 
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Fares/Availability

What happened to this thread?

I have a simple question. Can we still search availability (for instance AA51 12NOV) and display fares with the dates the fare is valid?

I've installed updates 3-4 times within a week. Using 7.7.0
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Old Nov 10, 2014, 11:33 pm
  #7641  
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
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Originally Posted by greyguy1
What happened to this thread?

I have a simple question. Can we still search availability (for instance AA51 12NOV) and display fares with the dates the fare is valid?

I've installed updates 3-4 times within a week. Using 7.7.0
In a nutshell:
Availability and Fares stopped working
People who paid aren't happy and started talking
Replacement methods came out for Availability and Fares
Fares is limited compared to predecessor
Availability was only available with GTC credentials, which KVS provided instructions on how to obtain with less than ethical methods
People who paid still aren't happy, start asking questions
KVS dodges pertinent questions, uses out of context responses for others
KVS accuses users of breaking user agreement
Moderators are strangely quiet as the list of allegations grow against a FT "Company Representative"
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Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:07 am
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The only way out of this misery I think is if KVS discontinues his service for products he has no legitimate access to, meaning the ones where he is breaking the t&c of the scraping websites, I'm 'assuming' this relates to the fare and avaiability information.

Then rename the product so its clear its only an award availability checker and charge a smaller $ for the membership.

Everything else would involve stealing data from data providers without their approval which is illegal.
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Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:20 am
  #7643  
 
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When I asked about a discount...
Originally Posted by KVS

We have made no upward adjustments when numerous new features/Methods have been added to the KVS Tool over the past 6+ years. Likewise, no downward adjustments are, generally, done when a particular feature/Method can no longer be supported for reasons that are beyond our control.

As another Member had previously noted:
Thanks that's fine, I see I paid $30 six years ago in 2008.

If you were to put the price back to a flat rate of $30 your clients might be a little appeased, especially if you were to offer a pro-rata refund.

At the time (six years ago) I recall it was a flat rate with just one level of subscription - before the trick where features would disappear from the software and re-appear in a higher price level,"Platinum", "Diamond", etc etc.

Let's have one level only at a flat rate of $30 - there's still some value in the product after all.
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Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:24 am
  #7644  
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Originally Posted by nux
Is KVS a registered company in any country and/or does it have a registered address?
Originally Posted by KVS
*Does not answer question*
If KVS is not a registered company then how is there a "Company Representative" on FlyerTalk? Perhaps a moderator can explain.

Originally Posted by Air Rarotonga
Why is this (only) availability search function not integrated into the tool?
Originally Posted by KVS
Such integration is not currently feasible, however we are looking into other options.
It seems odd that the KVS Availability Tool is unable to scrape "Specialised Web Browse" the KVSTool.com website..

Perhaps KVS pays for this data and so limits the ability to use it to minimise cost.

Or perhaps the data comes from another source (ExpertFlyer perhaps?) which KVS isn't strictly meant to allow other users access to and so masks it through their own server?

Originally Posted by seawolf
Recently receive this email from KVS.
Originally Posted by zozeppelin
I was also accused of breaking the user agreement, with no evidence.
Although I didn't realise it at the time, I am glad I used a different email and did not link my FT username to my registration.

I can't believe the poor PR being shown, and that instead of being open and honest about what is going on KVS employs obfuscation and misdirection in answering questions. Not too dissimilar to their screen scraping software that hides the websites it accesses often in violation of those websites T&C's.

Last edited by nux; Nov 11, 2014 at 2:29 am
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Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:30 am
  #7645  
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I think if it works, the complaints will die down. KVS please fix reliability issues ASAP.
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Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:58 am
  #7646  
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I have added a Wiki and started identifying the Terms of Use for the websites the tool accesses for end users benefit.

Last edited by nux; Nov 11, 2014 at 3:09 am
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Old Nov 11, 2014, 5:21 am
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I would give KVS some slack to work out some of those issues. I myself find KVS to be pretty useful and saved a LOT of time in searching for paid/award flights. So unless they've gone off the deep end, got into legal issues with different sites they pull data from, or encountered major programming issues to pull data from one or more sites; I'm sure that they won't want to throw away the 10+ years of reputation.

Maybe if we ask nicely, they will give us a week or two free
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Old Nov 11, 2014, 7:43 am
  #7648  
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Originally Posted by harryhv
six years ago in 2008.
Thanks for your feedback and for being a KVS Tool Member since 2006!

Originally Posted by harryhv
At the time (six years ago) I recall it was a flat rate with just one level of subscription - before the trick where features would disappear from the software and re-appear in a higher price level,"Platinum", "Diamond", etc etc.
To clarify, over the past ~6 years, most new features have been added at the Diamond level. The existing features of the legacy levels (Gold & Platinum) have remained 'as-is'.

Originally Posted by harryhv
Let's have one level only at a flat rate
We will be reviewing the KVS Tool Membership structure going forward.

In the meantime, if you believe that it is not competitive, please provide specific examples.

Originally Posted by greyguy1
What happened to this thread?
Unfortunately, it has been temporarily hijacked by a small group of posters.

Originally Posted by greyguy1
I have a simple question. Can we still search availability (for instance AA51 12NOV) and display fares with the dates the fare is valid?
Yes, you can.

Please contact us via http://Contact.KVSTool.com/ for assistance.

Last edited by Prospero; Nov 12, 2014 at 11:59 pm Reason: combine comments into a single post
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Old Nov 11, 2014, 8:22 am
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I now am recieving "Unrecognized Registration Code [S1]"
I have 5 months remaining on my Diamond Membership level.
I have been falsely accused of violating the User Agreement, with circumstantial evidence.
I had requested specific instances of this "violation".
I have provided specific examples of public sources of the information I shared for each instance.

No response from KVS as to why my account is not working.
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Old Nov 11, 2014, 8:28 am
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What happened to this thread?
Originally Posted by KVS
Unfortunately, it has been temporarily hijacked by a small group of posters.
That really doesn't come close to being a realistic answer. It seems therefore that once again use of the KVS Translation Tl is in order:


[KVS Translation tool 9.9.7 / Plutonium]
Because the answers would prove embarassing to KVS, responses to the following perfectly reasonable questions haved been deliberately ignored to the greatest extent possible:

  • Where does the KVS tool get its data?
  • Is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?
  • Are users opening themselves up to liability by use of KVS tool?
  • Is KVS a registered company in any country and/or does it have a registered address?
  • Will KVS provide refunds for those who paid but feel that -- after changes -- they have not gotten what they paid for?
I'm sure that once KVS provides answers to these very basic questions people will stop asking them.

This is not just a place for KVS to advertise his wares while ignoring/stifiling all dissent. Such questions are entirely relevant to this thread. FT moderators have made that abundantly clear.

Last edited by Xyzzy; Nov 11, 2014 at 11:17 am
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