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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Website’s information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways’ prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz® web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without United’s prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without United’s prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
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You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATA’s prior written consent is prohibited.
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http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
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http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
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http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Old Aug 18, 2012, 3:31 pm
  #5281  
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Originally Posted by Rogue1Trader
THANK YOU and great fast feedback!
You're welcome

Originally Posted by Rogue1Trader
So with the KVS tool I will be able to book and F award with my SAS points, since there is 1 availble F class in award and IF I find a date in your system that could take me home from anorher location?
That is correct.

Originally Posted by Rogue1Trader
Another question, if there are 7F availble for purchase, how come there are noon with points?
Award Availability is dynamic and at the discretion of the airline.

Originally Posted by Rogue1Trader
Are the airlines releasing more Award seats as closer to departure gate you get?
It is not uncommon for Award Availability to become available closer to departure, but there are no guarantees.

Originally Posted by Rogue1Trader
Apparently LH dont release their F award seats untill 14 days in advance, anyway to get around this?
Not really.

Originally Posted by Rogue1Trader
Yes I am. any ways of solving it on a mac?
The bug relates to the CrossOver product only, so you can use of the other Mac solutions:
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Mac
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 11:02 am
  #5282  
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Washington State
Programs: UA, Starwood, AAdvantage, Alaska, BAEC, Marriott, Hawaiian, Hilton HHonors
Posts: 255
I recently became a Diamond member and have tried to do my homework to understand how
to use the tool. After signing up and running the registration program I found a KVS Availability
icon on my desktop. Clicking on it opens a window where I can key in the Method, From/To, Date etc.
I am trying to find Award/Upgrade space for Business class on British Airways for July or
August 2013 but I can find no where to enter the number of seats I am looking for on the tool.

I have checked numerous dates too to see if I can get any results and every entry for every
date has returned One World Cabin Search: None. That makes me feel like possibly the
program isn't working or I am doing something wrong.

For reference here is what I am keying in:

Method Amadeus: Awards/BA-OneWorld
From: SEA
To: LHR
Date: Various dates in July & Aug 2013
Airlines: BA British Airways
Cabin: Business
Sort By: Airlines

As I said I can see no place to select the number of seats. When I first tried to search I was
required to key in my BA Executive Club information and I do see it under the Settings tab.

I am using Win 7 FYI.

So if someone has some insights and could guide me in the right direction I would really appreciate it.
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 11:11 am
  #5283  
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Location: TPA/ABZ
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Posts: 13,252
It's more than likely that there's just no availability. I'm just another punter and not a KVS person but your settings look right to me.

To be sure, I'd change the "Cabin(s):" selection to "All". If you pick Jul 1 2013 for example, you should see "YS9" (at least 9 seats in economy). Do you get that?

Originally Posted by atanac
I recently became a Diamond member and have tried to do my homework to understand how
to use the tool. After signing up and running the registration program I found a KVS Availability
icon on my desktop. Clicking on it opens a window where I can key in the Method, From/To, Date etc.
I am trying to find Award/Upgrade space for Business class on British Airways for July or
August 2013 but I can find no where to enter the number of seats I am looking for on the tool.

I have checked numerous dates too to see if I can get any results and every entry for every
date has returned One World Cabin Search: None. That makes me feel like possibly the
program isn't working or I am doing something wrong.

For reference here is what I am keying in:

Method Amadeus: Awards/BA-OneWorld
From: SEA
To: LHR
Date: Various dates in July & Aug 2013
Airlines: BA British Airways
Cabin: Business
Sort By: Airlines

As I said I can see no place to select the number of seats. When I first tried to search I was
required to key in my BA Executive Club information and I do see it under the Settings tab.

I am using Win 7 FYI.

So if someone has some insights and could guide me in the right direction I would really appreciate it.
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 11:49 am
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Originally Posted by golfmad
To be sure, I'd change the "Cabin(s):" selection to "All". If you pick Jul 1 2013 for example, you should see "YS9" (at least 9 seats in economy). Do you get that?
I still get No Award Availability so there must be a problem somewhere.
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 11:57 am
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Originally Posted by atanac
I still get No Award Availability so there must be a problem somewhere.
That's odd. Have a look at this screen to confirm we are running the same check.

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Old Aug 20, 2012, 12:49 pm
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[QUOTE=golfmad;19158502]That's odd. Have a look at this screen to confirm we are running the same check.

My screen is exactly like yours, although I wasn't able to capture it and post mine like you did. I still get zero returns.

Under Availability I get: No Award Availability/Route Too Complex

Hard to understand where the problem is. I really do appreciate your willingness to help. BTW where can I key in seats requested?
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 12:56 pm
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I'm sure a KVS representative will be along soon to tell us both why

In relation to the seats requested/required, different methods have different inputs. This one that we're using for BA doesn't have one. It just responds back with the number available. Other methods for use with other airlines have a box where you say what you need (e.g. 2 seats) and it comes back with a yes/no answer.

[QUOTE=atanac;19158840]
Originally Posted by golfmad
That's odd. Have a look at this screen to confirm we are running the same check.

My screen is exactly like yours, although I wasn't able to capture it and post mine like you did. I still get zero returns.

Under Availability I get: No Award Availability/Route Too Complex

Hard to understand where the problem is. I really do appreciate your willingness to help. BTW where can I key in seats requested?
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 2:09 pm
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Originally Posted by atanac
My screen is exactly like yours, although I wasn't able to capture it and post mine like you did. I still get zero returns.
Could you please provide a screenshot via http://Contact.KVSTool.com/?

P.S. golfmad: Thanks for helping atanac ^
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 2:34 pm
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[QUOTE=KVS;19159455]Could you please provide a screenshot via http://Contact.KVSTool.com/?/QUOTE]

Sent. Thanks for the help.
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 3:16 pm
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Originally Posted by atanac
Sent. Thanks for the help.
Originally Posted by golfmad
I'm sure a KVS representative will be along soon to tell us both why
The extra Y Award Availability in your screenshot is for Elite BAEC members only (according to your profile you are BAEC Gold).

Otherwise, there is no Award Availability (this can be confirmed more explicitly via the [Awards/JL-OneWorld] Method):

[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.3/Diamond - Axess: Awards/JL-OneWorld]
Code:
SEA  Seattle Metro / Seattle/Tacoma Intl WA US = SEA BFI [KSEA]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
MON  01 Jul 2013

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
BA         48      SEA   18:45     LHR   11:50 +1  744  0   FS0  CS0  WS0  YS0
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 3:19 pm
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Well spotted. I hadn't thought of that.

So in answer to the OP's original question, there's just little or no availability?

Originally Posted by KVS
The extra Y Award Availability in your screenshot is for Elite BAEC members only (according to your profile you are BAEC Gold).

Otherwise, there is no Award Availability (this can be confirmed more explicitly via the [Awards/JL-OneWorld] Method):

[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.3/Diamond - Axess: Awards/JL-OneWorld]
Code:
SEA  Seattle Metro / Seattle/Tacoma Intl WA US = SEA BFI [KSEA]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
MON  01 Jul 2013

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
BA         48      SEA   18:45     LHR   11:50 +1  744  0   FS0  CS0  WS0  YS0
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 5:18 pm
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[QUOTE=KVS;19159892]The extra Y Award Availability in your screenshot is for Elite BAEC members only (according to your profile you are BAEC Gold).

Sorry but I do not understand what you mean. My screenshot indicated "All"
in the Cabin field so I don't know what you mean by "The extra Y". I have changed the
different cabin types yet still get No Award Availability.

Am I unable to search using the Method I choose?
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 6:35 pm
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Hi atanac, BA make extra economy ('Y' class) seats available to members with gold card status. The KVS representative was pointing out that I was seeing the extra availability because I'm a gold card holder. If you're not a gold card holder or have not entered your gold card number into the KVS tool you won't see those redemption seats.

This means that it's almost certain that you're doing the right search it's just that there's limited or no availability for the dates you're interested in. I'm just seeing some extra economy.

I'd forgotten (again) about that gold BA benefit although I don't think I'd ever use it for a transatlantic journey. Pity they don't make extra premium seats available for gold status Now that would be useful.

Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=atanac;19160627]
Originally Posted by KVS
The extra Y Award Availability in your screenshot is for Elite BAEC members only (according to your profile you are BAEC Gold).

Sorry but I do not understand what you mean. My screenshot indicated "All"
in the Cabin field so I don't know what you mean by "The extra Y". I have changed the
different cabin types yet still get No Award Availability.

Am I unable to search using the Method I choose?
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 6:58 pm
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[QUOTE=golfmad;19161018]Hi atanac, BA make extra economy ('Y' class) seats available to members with gold card status. The KVS representative was pointing out that I was seeing the extra availability because I'm a gold card holder. If you're not a gold card holder or have not entered your gold card number into the KVS tool you won't see those redemption seats.

This means that it's almost certain that you're doing the right search it's just that there's limited or no availability for the dates you're interested in. I'm just seeing some extra economy.

I'd forgotten (again) about that gold BA benefit although I don't think I'd ever use it for a transatlantic journey. Pity they don't make extra premium seats available for gold status Now that would be useful.

Hope that helps.

Thanks golfmad...you've been great trying to help me with this. I see what you mean now
that the KVS rep was speaking to you and not me about the extra Y availability. I guess they are going to
come back to me via an email since they asked me to send them a screenshot at
their web contact email. For the record I have a Blue membership with BA. I just wish I could get
any result from a search on the KVS tool so I could be sure it is actually working. Hopefully
they will give me a sample search that will show some availabilty for a Blue membership.
That way I can be assured it's working for me.
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 8:10 pm
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Originally Posted by atanac
Thanks golfmad...you've been great trying to help me with this. I see what you mean now that the KVS rep was speaking to you and not me about the extra Y availability. I guess they are going to come back to me via an email since they asked me to send them a screenshot at their web contact email. For the record I have a Blue membership with BA. I just wish I could get any result from a search on the KVS tool so I could be sure it is actually working. Hopefully they will give me a sample search that will show some availabilty for a Blue membership.
Here is a sample search with Standard Award Availability:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.3/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:
NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA
LON  London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY QQS QQW ZLS ZEP XQE
FRI  01 Feb 2013

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
BA         188     EWR   20:55     LHR   08:40 +1           FS4  WS9  YS9
BA         184     EWR   18:50     LHR   06:40 +1           WS6  YS9
BA         116     JFK   20:15     LHR   08:15 +1           WS9  YS9
BA         172     JFK   21:15     LHR   09:00 +1           WS5  YS9
BA         114     JFK   21:40     LHR   09:25 +1           WS2  YS9
BA         182     JFK   22:55     LHR   10:50 +1           WS9  YS9
BA         178     JFK   08:30     LHR   20:15              YS9
BA         112     JFK   18:35     LHR   06:25 +1           YS9
BA         176     JFK   19:40     LHR   07:25 +1           YS9
Originally Posted by atanac
That way I can be assured it's working for me.
If you would feel more comfortable seeing the lack of Award Availability more explicitly, you can use the [Awards/JL-OneWorld] Method instead.
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