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Nov 11, 2014, 2:41 am by XyzzyWhere does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?
The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).
Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.
Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
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http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;
http://data.flight24.com/flights/
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http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:
Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.
This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.
http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
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http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.
http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
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http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.
https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
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http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.
3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.
https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
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https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
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https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);
https://en.aegeanair.com
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https://eservice.evaair.com
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https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
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https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
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http://skyvector.com/airport/
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https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
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https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
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https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
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https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
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https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
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https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,
https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
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https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
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https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.
https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
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https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
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https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
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http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities
You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.
You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.
You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.
You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.
When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.
You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.
https://wftc3.e-travel.com
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https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
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https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
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https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
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https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
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https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
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https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
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https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
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https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
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https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
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https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions
3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);
https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
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https://www.finnair.com
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https://www.flysas.com
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https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
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https://www.lot.com
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https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
Quote:https://www.routehappy.com/
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en
2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
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https://www.swiss.com
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https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
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https://www.tripple.jp
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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without Uniteds prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without Uniteds prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.
https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
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https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
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https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
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https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
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http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
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http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
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http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
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http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
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http://www.flightradar24.com/
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http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
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http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
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http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
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http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.
http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
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http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct
The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.
You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATAs prior written consent is prohibited.
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4. Intellectual Property Rights
...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.
http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
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http://www.myairlines.ru
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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
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http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
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http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
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http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
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http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Thanks for the report, it should now show NCL. If you come across any others, please do send a quick note using the Help/Contact link in the Mobile Companion.Originally Posted by lallyr
KVS, no big deal but any ideas why NCL shows up as NTL?
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Datasource Error RD
(Engine Error)
Diamond/6.7.0 R3
Searching ITA: Awards/AC-StarAlliance
LHR-JNB 22nd Dec
Any thoughts?
The [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] Engine does not support all possible routes -- please use the 'Classic' [Awards/StarAlliance] Method for this query:Originally Posted by molasis
I'm getting:Datasource Error RD
(Engine Error)
Diamond/6.7.0 R3
Searching ITA: Awards/AC-StarAlliance
LHR-JNB 22nd Dec
Any thoughts?
[KVS Availability Tool 6.7.0/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]
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LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL] JNB Johannesburg OR Tambo Intl ZA [FAJS] THU 22 Dec 2011 | 1 Seat Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- SA 235 LHR 18:05 JNB 07:35 +1 343 0 FS/ CS- YS- SA 237 LHR 21:05 JNB 10:35 +1 332 0 FS/ CS- YS- LX 467 LCY 18:25 ZRH 21:10 AR1 0 FS/ CS- YS- -> LX 288 ZRH 22:45 JNB 10:25 +1 343 0 FS- CS- YS- LX 327 LHR 18:40 ZRH 21:30 320 0 FS/ CS- YS- -> LX 288 ZRH 22:45 JNB 10:25 +1 343 0 FS- CS- YS- LH 911 LHR 17:05 FRA 19:45 321 0 FS/ CS+ YS+ -> SA 261 FRA 20:45 JNB 08:35 +1 346 0 FS/ CS- YS- LH 911 LHR 17:05 FRA 19:45 321 0 FS/ CS- YS- -> LH 572 FRA 22:10 JNB 10:05 +1 388 0 FS- CS- YS- LH 915 LHR 17:45 FRA 20:25 321 0 FS/ CS- YS- -> LH 572 FRA 22:10 JNB 10:05 +1 388 0 FS- CS- YS- LH 937 LCY 18:25 FRA 20:55 E90 0 FS/ CS- YS- -> LH 572 FRA 22:10 JNB 10:05 +1 388 0 FS- CS- YS- LH 2479 LHR 17:20 MUC 20:15 321 0 FS/ CS+ YS- -> SA 265 MUC 20:50 JNB 08:35 +1 346 0 FS/ CS- YS-
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If I am gold now with 3 months remaining and I want to upgrade to diamond. Will I now have 9 months of diamond remaining once I contribute?
IIRC correctly from my upgrade, your 3 months of Gold will get prorated down based on some formula (probably based on the relative cost of Gold vs Diamond) and then added to the months of Diamond that your purchase. Probably something like 7 months of Diamond total (3 months of Gold prorated to 1 month of Diamond + 6 months of purchased Diamond). Note that I have no idea what the formula for prorating is, so the above is just an example.Originally Posted by skit53
Wanted to clarify a billing issue:If I am gold now with 3 months remaining and I want to upgrade to diamond. Will I now have 9 months of diamond remaining once I contribute?
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If I am gold now with 3 months remaining and I want to upgrade to diamond. Will I now have 9 months of diamond remaining once I contribute?
Originally Posted by skit53
Wanted to clarify a billing issue:If I am gold now with 3 months remaining and I want to upgrade to diamond. Will I now have 9 months of diamond remaining once I contribute?
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That is correct.Originally Posted by jasonvr
IIRC correctly from my upgrade, your 3 months of Gold will get prorated down based on some formula (probably based on the relative cost of Gold vs Diamond) and then added to the months of Diamond that your purchase.
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Based on the actual formula, it will be a total of 7.4 Months (i.e. 1.4 Months [which is the equivalent of 3 Months Gold] + another 6 Months).Originally Posted by jasonvr
Probably something like 7 months of Diamond total (3 months of Gold prorated to 1 month of Diamond + 6 months of purchased Diamond). Note that I have no idea what the formula for prorating is, so the above is just an example.
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Not at the moment, but you can use the Alliance [Filter] buttons in the main KVS Tool application.Originally Posted by stifle
Is there a way to search availability by Alliance in the KVS desktop system like there is in the mobile tool?
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Originally Posted by KVS
Could you please provide a screen capture video recording, demonstrating your experiences?
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Thanks for the suggestion, jasonvr - downloaded and installed it.Originally Posted by jasonvr
Microsoft Expression is the utility that I used. It worked well and creates captures that you can encode into several different formats like WMV
I did a screen capture of browsing the ANA site (around 4s search then 2s per day change):
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/647010/ANA%20website.wmv (2.7MB)
and also did one of KVS Tool:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/647010/KVS%20Tool.wmv (4.7MB)
Hopefully this shows how speedy things are when looking at fares/timetables compared to the slowdown when looking at award inventory. The >30s times I got previously thankfully don't seem to be the norm but it remains 3-4x slower than the ANA website at around 15s or so/search today).
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I did a screen capture of browsing the ANA site (around 4s search then 2s per day change):
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/647010/ANA%20website.wmv (2.7MB)
and also did one of KVS Tool:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/647010/KVS%20Tool.wmv (4.7MB)
Hopefully this shows how speedy things are when looking at fares/timetables compared to the slowdown when looking at award inventory. The >30s times I got previously thankfully don't seem to be the norm but it remains 3-4x slower than the ANA website at around 15s or so/search today).
Thanks for uploading the screen captures, from which it can be seen that your actual timings for the *A Award Searches are:Originally Posted by alanjrobertson
Thanks for the suggestion, jasonvr - downloaded and installed it.I did a screen capture of browsing the ANA site (around 4s search then 2s per day change):
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/647010/ANA%20website.wmv (2.7MB)
and also did one of KVS Tool:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/647010/KVS%20Tool.wmv (4.7MB)
Hopefully this shows how speedy things are when looking at fares/timetables compared to the slowdown when looking at award inventory. The >30s times I got previously thankfully don't seem to be the norm but it remains 3-4x slower than the ANA website at around 15s or so/search today).
- Using a Regular Web Browser: 20 seconds (starting at 00:00, ending at 00:20)
- Using the KVS Tool: 15 seconds (starting at 00:41, ending at 00:56)
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LOL I agree with the KVS one, but not quite sure how you get the web browser timings! Originally Posted by KVS
Thanks for uploading the screen captures, from which it can be seen that your actual timings for the *A Award Searches are:- Using a Regular Web Browser: 20 seconds (starting at 00:00, ending at 00:20)
- Using the KVS Tool: 15 seconds (starting at 00:41, ending at 00:56)
You seem to be counting the time to type in details on the webpage, which isn't a fair comparison - so it's actually from 00:15 when the 'Next' orange button is clicked to 00:20.I appreciate KVS allows for other items to be changed between searches but realistically I just want to find dates I can get an award booked! It's the day-to-day search that is particularly problematic - in a practical sense when I'm searching for an award then what I need to do is keep clicking through to find a day with the award - the website seems to be much quicker at doing this. The interesting thing was that when it was taking >30s for a KVS search the website one was no different in time - thankfully this seems to have improved a bit but I'm on the same machine so I don't know why.
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You seem to be counting the time to type in details on the webpage, which isn't a fair comparison - so it's actually from 00:15 when the 'Next' orange button is clicked to 00:20.
You need to start at the beginning of the process (i.e. Step 1 at 00:00) for comparison.Originally Posted by alanjrobertson
LOL I agree with the KVS one, but not quite sure how you get the web browser timings! You seem to be counting the time to type in details on the webpage, which isn't a fair comparison - so it's actually from 00:15 when the 'Next' orange button is clicked to 00:20.
Even if you subtract the time it took you to do the typing in that video (i.e. ~5 seconds from 00:07 to 00:12) from the 00:20 total search duration using a [regular] web browser, that will still make your website timing 15 seconds (which is the same as the KVS Tool).
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As mentioned previously, the [Previous/Next] functions in the KVS Tool are different (and more powerful) than those in ANA. They cannot (and should not) be compared directly.Originally Posted by alanjrobertson
I appreciate KVS allows for other items to be changed between searches but realistically I just want to find dates I can get an award booked!
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Likewise, as mentioned before, that is a technical impossibility.Originally Posted by alanjrobertson
The interesting thing was that when it was taking >30s for a KVS search the website one was no different in time - thankfully this seems to have improved a bit but I'm on the same machine so I don't know why.
Once again, thanks for taking the time to create the video screenshots, which have now fully confirmed that the timings are within their normal ranges and the discrepancies you had previously reported cannot be substantiated.
I appreciate the point you're attempting to make, KVS, but I disagree. In the practical way I want to use it - ie. searching for availability on a known route over a number of days - KVS is slower than ANA. TBH on my most recent award booking it was the free AwardNexus.com that did the trick, mainly as it can search multiple dates at once.
Anyway, we'll just need to agree to disagree - you've received my 2 months Diamond fee but I won't be renewing once this time is up.
Anyway, we'll just need to agree to disagree - you've received my 2 months Diamond fee but I won't be renewing once this time is up.
The Beta for Award Availability on Etihad Airways [EY], is now underway.
Those, who have already signed-up for this Beta, should have received the relevant instructions. Otherwise, please be sure to check your Spam/Junk e-mail folder.
If you are interested in joining this Beta, but haven't yet done so, please complete the EY Beta RSVP Form on the KVS Tool Homepage at http://www.KVSTool.com/
For EY Beta feedback, please visit the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...-searches.html thread.
And if you are redeeming AADV miles, please also see the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...advantage.html thread.
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If you are interested in joining this Beta, but haven't yet done so, please complete the EY Beta RSVP Form on the KVS Tool Homepage at http://www.KVSTool.com/
For EY Beta feedback, please visit the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...-searches.html thread.
And if you are redeeming AADV miles, please also see the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...advantage.html thread.