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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
...
9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without Uniteds prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without Uniteds prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
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The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATAs prior written consent is prohibited.
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...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Old Dec 1, 2011 | 4:49 pm
  #4576  
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Paid for diamond membership over 2 hours ago, got two e-mails (but no registration code) ... how long do I wait for the e-mail with a registration code?
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Old Dec 1, 2011 | 5:13 pm
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Originally Posted by littlefish
Paid for diamond membership over 2 hours ago, got two e-mails (but no registration code) ... how long do I wait for the e-mail with
a registration code?
Welcome to the KVS Tool!

The Temporary Registration Code is issued automatically. If you haven't received the 3rd e-mail, please check your Junk/Spam folder and/or provide an alternative e-mail address via the Contact Form.
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Old Dec 1, 2011 | 5:50 pm
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Thx. Received now.
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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 11:01 am
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: SAO & NYC
Programs: AA EXP (2 MM)
Posts: 303
Problem with new EY feature

@KVS:

It's great that you've added EY awards and upgrades, but it doesn't seem to be working. I've tried various searches and keep getting the same error:

(Engine Error) Date Out-of-Range/Invalid Route/Cookies Error.

FYI, I've searched everything from tomorrow to 30 days out to 6 months, so it's not the date. The route is LHR/AUH, which should be fine. I don't know what the Cookies issue would be, but I restared the tool several times and still get the same error.

Let me know if you find out what the issue is. Thanks!
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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 11:50 am
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Originally Posted by screwedbyaa
It's great that you've added EY awards and upgrades, but it doesn't seem to be working. I've tried various searches and keep getting the same error:

(Engine Error) Date Out-of-Range/Invalid Route/Cookies Error.

FYI, I've searched everything from tomorrow to 30 days out to 6 months, so it's not the date. The route is LHR/AUH, which should be fine. I don't know what the Cookies issue would be, but I restared the tool several times and still get the same error.

Let me know if you find out what the issue is. Thanks!
Please enable MSIE Cookies:



[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards-Upgrades/EY]
Code:
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
AUH  Abu Dhabi Intl AE [OMAA]
SUN  01 Apr 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
EY         12      LHR   09:10     AUH   19:15     346  0   I1 NL R5
EY         20      LHR   14:45     AUH   00:50 +1  345  0   I2 N4 R2
EY         18      LHR   21:10     AUH   07:15 +1  346  0   I2 N4 R1
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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 12:04 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
Please enable MSIE Cookies:
Strange...I've enabled the MSIE cookies exactly as you did above and even restarted my computer for good measure (although I know that's not necessary), but I still get the same error.
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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 8:44 pm
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Location: NYC
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Maximum Permitted Mileage [MPM]

I just recently purchased the diamond version and trying to figure out how to see the maximum mileage for the routing of NYC-PVG on AA.

I read the link of:
http://www.kvstool.com/Planning-A-Trip.php?Source=HOME

and it shows towards the bottom

LAXLON-IB *RULE DISPLAY* TARIFF 0001 RULE US55
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *
-FARE BASIS USD NUC PTC FT GI
OLAW1MUS R 212.00 212.00 ADT EX AT
OLAW1MUS/CH R 212.00 212.00 CNN EX AT
OLAW1MUS/CH R 212.00 212.00 UNN EX AT
OLAW1MUS/IN R 212.00 212.00 INS EX AT
OLAW1MUS/IN R 21.00 21.20 INF EX AT
BOOKING CODES B
PFCS MAY VARY BY RTG
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - XBB - BUDGET ADVANCE PURCHASE
MPM - AT 6538 VIA NORTH ATLANTIC
---------------------------------------------------------------

ROUTING 7123 FROM LAX-AA/IB-SJU/NYC/MIA/BOS/CHI/
WAS-IB-MAD/BCN-IB-MAD/BCN-
TO BA/IB-LON*


When I am searching on the KVS tool all it shows me is this...

NYCSHA-AA 03DEC11 *RULE DISPLAY* TARIFF 0003 RULE PA71
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *
-FARE BASIS USD NUC PTC FT GI
NLW42C6D R 650.00 650.00 ADT EX PA
NLW42C6DCH R 488.00 488.00 CNN EX PA
NLW42C6DCH R 488.00 488.00 INS EX PA
NLW42C6DIN R 65.00 65.00 INF EX PA
NLW42C6D R 650.00 650.00 UNN EX PA
NLW42C6D R 650.00 650.00 SRC EX PA
BOOKING CODES N
PFCS MAY VARY BY RTG
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - XAP - ADVANCE PURCHASE FARE
MPM - PA 8848 VIA PACIFIC
---------------------------------------------------------------

ROUTING MPM MPM TRVL PERMITTED
(nothing shows here) am I doing something wrong?

Do I have to figure out the maximum mileage and choose the routing or can KVS show them to you?
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Old Dec 3, 2011 | 4:16 am
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Originally Posted by arods3
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - XAP - ADVANCE PURCHASE FARE
MPM - PA 8848 VIA PACIFIC
---------------------------------------------------------------

ROUTING MPM MPM TRVL PERMITTED
AFAIK, in this context there are two types of fare:
- Fares where you have to use a specific routing, as specified in the Routing Rules (eg: LAX-AA/IB-SJU/NYC/MIA/BOS/CHI/WAS-IB-MAD/BCN-IB-MAD/BCN-BA/IB-LON* in your first example above)
- Fares where you use any routing that is within the MPM (and subject to certain other rules). This is what "MPM TRVL PERMITTED" is referring to in your second example, and the 8848 is the MPM.

So, in your case, you can choose your desired routing for NYC-SHA, and then use the KVS TPM calculator (under 'Reference') to find the mileage for that route, and check it is less than the MPM. You also need to check the fare rules in case there are any specific restrictions.

See Q44 in the FAQ and http://www.kvstool.com/FAQ.php?Source=HOME#MPM for further explanations.
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Old Dec 3, 2011 | 11:38 am
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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Originally Posted by KQ321
AFAIK, in this context there are two types of fare:
- Fares where you have to use a specific routing, as specified in the Routing Rules (eg: LAX-AA/IB-SJU/NYC/MIA/BOS/CHI/WAS-IB-MAD/BCN-IB-MAD/BCN-BA/IB-LON* in your first example above)
- Fares where you use any routing that is within the MPM (and subject to certain other rules). This is what "MPM TRVL PERMITTED" is referring to in your second example, and the 8848 is the MPM.

So, in your case, you can choose your desired routing for NYC-SHA, and then use the KVS TPM calculator (under 'Reference') to find the mileage for that route, and check it is less than the MPM. You also need to check the fare rules in case there are any specific restrictions.

See Q44 in the FAQ and http://www.kvstool.com/FAQ.php?Source=HOME#MPM for further explanations.
So is there an option if I would type in NYC-PVG and KVS can come up with the maximum mileage routing for you?
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Old Dec 3, 2011 | 12:13 pm
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Originally Posted by arods3
So is there an option if I would type in NYC-PVG and KVS can come up with the maximum mileage routing for you?
Sorry, I think you need to come up with a possible routing, and then use KVS to calculate the TPM, and see if this is within the MPM. I don't think KVS can automatically generate a routing for you that gets as close as possible to the MPM.
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Old Dec 4, 2011 | 7:33 pm
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Originally Posted by screwedbyaa
Strange...I've enabled the MSIE cookies exactly as you did above and even restarted my computer for good measure (although I know that's not necessary), but I still get the same error.
Assuming you are running the latest KVS Tool version, it would definitely be something on your local machine (e.g. personal firewall or anti-virus software) that is blocking the Cookies and preventing the EY Engine from functioning correctly...
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Old Dec 4, 2011 | 8:15 pm
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Originally Posted by arods3
I just recently purchased the diamond version
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Originally Posted by arods3
and trying to figure out how to see the maximum mileage for the routing of NYC-PVG on AA.

I read the link of:
http://www.kvstool.com/Planning-A-Trip.php?Source=HOME

and it shows towards the bottom

ROUTING 7123 FROM LAX-AA/IB-SJU/NYC/MIA/BOS/CHI/
WAS-IB-MAD/BCN-IB-MAD/BCN-
TO BA/IB-LON*


When I am searching on the KVS tool all it shows me is this...

ROUTING MPM MPM TRVL PERMITTED
(nothing shows here) am I doing something wrong?

Do I have to figure out the maximum mileage and choose the routing or can KVS show them to you?
Originally Posted by KQ321
AFAIK, in this context there are two types of fare:
- Fares where you have to use a specific routing, as specified in the Routing Rules (eg: LAX-AA/IB-SJU/NYC/MIA/BOS/CHI/WAS-IB-MAD/BCN-IB-MAD/BCN-BA/IB-LON* in your first example above)
- Fares where you use any routing that is within the MPM (and subject to certain other rules). This is what "MPM TRVL PERMITTED" is referring to in your second example, and the 8848 is the MPM.

So, in your case, you can choose your desired routing for NYC-SHA, and then use the KVS TPM calculator (under 'Reference') to find the mileage for that route, and check it is less than the MPM. You also need to check the fare rules in case there are any specific restrictions.

See Q44 in the FAQ and http://www.kvstool.com/FAQ.php?Source=HOME#MPM for further explanations.
Originally Posted by arods3
So is there an option if I would type in NYC-PVG and KVS can come up with the maximum mileage routing for you?
Originally Posted by KQ321
Sorry, I think you need to come up with a possible routing, and then use KVS to calculate the TPM, and see if this is within the MPM.
As KQ321 had already mentioned above, this is an MPM-based Fare, so it has no fixed routing(s).

We have now updated the Trip Planning Guide to further clarify the differences between the MPM- and Routing-Based Fares: http://www.KVSTool.com/Planning-A-Trip.php#Using
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Old Dec 5, 2011 | 3:44 am
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Originally Posted by KVS
Assuming you are running the latest KVS Tool version, it would definitely be something on your local machine (e.g. personal firewall or anti-virus software) that is blocking the Cookies and preventing the EY Engine from functioning correctly...
Are you doing something different with the EY engine than all other engines? All the other methods work fine.
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Old Dec 5, 2011 | 9:18 am
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Originally Posted by screwedbyaa
Are you doing something different with the EY engine than all other engines? All the other methods work fine.
Have you tried clearing MSIE Cookies (and restarting the KVS Tool)?
Does the issue occur on your other machine as well?
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Old Dec 5, 2011 | 10:02 am
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Originally Posted by KVS
Have you tried clearing MSIE Cookies (and restarting the KVS Tool)?
Does the issue occur on your other machine as well?
I have. For the record, I also have Chrome and Firefox installed (Firefox is the default) and I cleared both of those as well, since I though you might be using the "default" browser rather than explicitly MSIE.

I still get the same error.

I only have the one computer (a laptop that goes everywhere I go).

Does the EY tool require a particular program's signon? I wasn't asked for one.
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