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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without Uniteds prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without Uniteds prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
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The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

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http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
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http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
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http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
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http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
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http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 1:58 am
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Originally Posted by alanjrobertson
Thanks for the reply, KVS. I'm really keen to get this working (esp as I've paid for Diamond for two months!) but I don't have anything like that sort of smooth experience so far. My internet connection is 8Mbps ADSL and I can easily stream BBC iPlayer HD streams, as well as quickly browse websites.

I tried some testing - here were my timings:

Checking for EDI-EWR *A award availability in May:
SNT: Awards/StarAlliance - initial search 1m50s; clicked 1 day forward - 1m24s
ITA: Awards/AC-StarAlliance - initial search 0m44s; clicked 1 day forward - 0m34s.
ANA website (timing from clicking the 'flight search' button once logged in) - initial search 0m10s; one day forward 0m18s

Any suggestions on how to improve matters would be much appreciated!
Just my 5c worth:
1) You are not fair comparing SNT and ANA the way you do. KVS has to go through the login process, so you should also time from "before login in" on ANA :-) Did you try timing how long it takes to go through the login process on ANA? I guess that KVS is login in every time it submits query, but I might be wrong... I am also guessing that KVS always does "the trick" to allow searches for those with zero balance on ANA. Perhaps you do not need to do so, but KVS does it just in the case? I am guessing here, but to do same the search directly on ANA from start to results (i.e. log in, do the trick so I can see all star Alliance and then do the real search) takes me definitelly longer than using KVS.
2) I am getting much faster responses from SNT when my laptop and I are at work then when we are at home. Why? Because both places route to the ANA site VERY differently. You cannot just measure pings and speeds against randomly selected targets. Each ISP will route you differently and it may create slowness somewhere... I have seen cases where I reach some sites in less than 10 hops when at work and the same site over 20+ hops when at home.
3) One reason for slight timing differences might be that KVS uses msinet.ocx while modern browsers do not. There might be some inefficiency there...

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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 2:40 am
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Thanks for your comments, vbroucek

Originally Posted by vbroucek
1) You are not fair comparing SNT and ANA the way you do. KVS has to go through the login process, so you should also time from "before login in" on ANA :-) Did you try timing how long it takes to go through the login process on ANA? I guess that KVS is login in every time it submits query, but I might be wrong... I am also guessing that KVS always does "the trick" to allow searches for those with zero balance on ANA. Perhaps you do not need to do so, but KVS does it just in the case? I am guessing here, but to do same the search directly on ANA from start to results (i.e. log in, do the trick so I can see all star Alliance and then do the real search) takes me definitelly longer than using KVS.
I take your point, but I think that in the practical usage of trying to find Award availability on a route by going through different days it remains a perfectly fair comparison. I'm not trying to do a speed test, I'm trying to look at real world use. As it is, it's around 3-4x slower than browsing ANA tool with my web browser - therefore to my mind I'm not getting great benefit.
Originally Posted by vbroucek
I am getting much faster responses from SNT when my laptop and I are at work then when we are at home. Why? Because both places route to the ANA site VERY differently. You cannot just measure pings and speeds against randomly selected targets. Each ISP will route you differently and it may create slowness somewhere... I have seen cases where I reach some sites in less than 10 hops when at work and the same site over 20+ hops when at home.
Totally fair point, I was just trying to highlight that it's not my internet connection per se that's slow. I also still find it funny that direct connection to the same site by a different 'browser' on my system (as KVS apparently is) should take any longer a route/number of hops than browsing to it. I think the next point probably addresses the issue more.
Originally Posted by vbroucek
3) One reason for slight timing differences might be that KVS uses msinet.ocx while modern browsers do not. There might be some inefficiency there...
Ahh - that's sounding like a clue!
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 8:56 am
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Originally Posted by alanjrobertson
I paid about 40min ago now for a Diamond 2 months access, filled out the online registration form but still no temporary code Anyone know how long it takes to arrive? (I know the permanent one takes 24h)
I had the same problem - signed up for a 12 month diamond membership nearly 1.5 hours ago, but only the order confirmation mail arrived. Nothing in the Spam folder...mysterious...any word from KVS here?
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 9:34 am
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Originally Posted by odilon
I had the same problem - signed up for a 12 month diamond membership nearly 1.5 hours ago, but only the order confirmation mail arrived. Nothing in the Spam folder...mysterious...any word from KVS here?
I must say mine did eventually appear, although by that point they'd already replied to my contact form request - I'd suggest filling one of them out too.
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 10:44 am
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Originally Posted by odilon
I had the same problem - signed up for a 12 month diamond membership nearly 1.5 hours ago, but only the order confirmation mail arrived. Nothing in the Spam folder...mysterious...any word from KVS here?
Welcome to [posting on] FT & the KVS Tool!

Your Temporary Registration Code should definitely be in your Inbox by now -- please double check and confirm.
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 7:04 pm
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Originally Posted by alanjrobertson
Thanks for your comments, vbroucek

I take your point, but I think that in the practical usage of trying to find Award availability on a route by going through different days it remains a perfectly fair comparison. I'm not trying to do a speed test, I'm trying to look at real world use. As it is, it's around 3-4x slower than browsing ANA tool with my web browser - therefore to my mind I'm not getting great benefit.
Well, I take it that by using KVS I am getting other benefits and that I am having "all in one" tool... You might have read critical posts from me, so you probably know that I am not defending KVS just because of KVS. I just really find it much easier to use KVS than going to all those sites looking for information...
Originally Posted by alanjrobertson
Totally fair point, I was just trying to highlight that it's not my internet connection per se that's slow. I also still find it funny that direct connection to the same site by a different 'browser' on my system (as KVS apparently is) should take any longer a route/number of hops than browsing to it. I think the next point probably addresses the issue more.
You have good point here - it cannot be hops... I still think it is the way how KVS talks to ANA website... It might be that some steps are replicated without need, but then who knows.
Originally Posted by alanjrobertson
Ahh - that's sounding like a clue!
That might or might not be the clue. KVS is (I think) written in Visual Basic 6 and there is no other way than using msinet.ocx unless you are winsock programming guru and do everything low level. I think I have seen somewhere some posts about some issues with speed of msinet.ocx.
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 8:34 pm
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Originally Posted by vbroucek
I guess that KVS is login in every time it submits query, but I might be wrong...
All required login processes are fully optimized within the KVS Tool, so that is most certainly not the case.

Originally Posted by vbroucek
3) One reason for slight timing differences might be that KVS uses msinet.ocx
A "slight" difference would be +/- 1 second or so, not the difference between ~10 seconds (that most users, including jasonvr are confirming) vs. ~110 seconds that alanjrobertson is (or at least was) reporting.

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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 8:41 pm
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Originally Posted by alanjrobertson
I tried some testing - here were my timings:

Checking for EDI-EWR *A award availability in May:
SNT: Awards/StarAlliance - initial search 1m50s; clicked 1 day forward - 1m24s
Originally Posted by alanjrobertson
and is taking 20-25 seconds to do the same search in KVS.
That's quite a difference -- how did you get from "1m50s" to "20-25 seconds"?

Could you please provide a screen capture video recording, demonstrating your experiences?
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 3:02 am
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Originally Posted by KVS
That's quite a difference -- how did you get from "1m50s" to "20-25 seconds"?

Could you please provide a screen capture video recording, demonstrating your experiences?
I'm too, believe me!! I've found the ANA tool timings reasonably similar (as I say around the 8s mark), but the KVS ones have varied. The time I posted they were particularly bad, they have seemed to remain slightly better since then - however direct ANA tool access has remained pretty constant throughout.

Happy to provide screen capture video recording - hopefully you'd be able to decipher all the different status codes and work out what's going on. Any recommendations for what (free) software to use?
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Originally Posted by alanjrobertson
I'm too, believe me!! I've found the ANA tool timings reasonably similar (as I say around the 8s mark), but the KVS ones have varied. The time I posted they were particularly bad, they have seemed to remain slightly better since then - however direct ANA tool access has remained pretty constant throughout.

Happy to provide screen capture video recording - hopefully you'd be able to decipher all the different status codes and work out what's going on. Any recommendations for what (free) software to use?
I've used one directly from Microsoft that was completely free. I'll have to get the name later. It did full screen captures up to 10 minutes long completely free on Windows 7 (probably works with other versions as well).
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Thanks, jasonvr - sounds good.
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Thanks, jasonvr - sounds good.
Microsoft Expression is the utility that I used. It worked well and creates captures that you can encode into several different formats like WMV
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Any coupons for expertflyer disheartened users? I should have know I'd miss BA awards.......

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If you are looking for BA award searching, BA.com has that for free. If you want a better UI, AwardNexus has all the same Oneworld award searching (BA/QF/JL) that KVS does, also for free for FT users, no coupon required.
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