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sbm12 Aug 17, 2010 8:54 am


Originally Posted by Keter (Post 14494540)
If you ask about codesharing (less likely) then it is only the airlines being parts of the agreement which have the information. For a passenger such information can only be useful for 'free-sell' codeshare agreements when you want to guess whether or not specific class opened by operating carrier will trigger the opening of a certain class by a marketing carrier.

It is also quite useful information on codeshares for *A carriers when trying to determine how many miles one will earn on a trip.

Keter Aug 17, 2010 11:57 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 14496149)
It is also quite useful information on codeshares for *A carriers when trying to determine how many miles one will earn on a trip.

This is interline world... Examples are below:

1) Codesharing:

PAR-ROM flight, operated by AF but coded as AZ and governed by AZ fare. The booking class is determined by AZ fare (the fare's RBD chart 1; RBD chart 2 is irrelevant here).

2) Interline

MOW-AZ-ROM-DL-NYC. The fare is filed by DL but allows to have AZ-coded segments. RBD chart 1 information only applies to ROM-NYC segment which is DL coded. To find out what booking class should be used for AZ segment you go to RBD chart 2.

flyboy99 Aug 17, 2010 12:12 pm

YWG-YYZ Sept 6
 
I'm on AC 268 at 16:00 from YWG-YYZ. I can't seem to check R space as seatcounter is down. Would somebody be so kind as to check for me?

jarusoba Aug 17, 2010 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by flyboy99 (Post 14497537)
I'm on AC 268 at 16:00 from YWG-YYZ. I can't seem to check R space as seatcounter is down. Would somebody be so kind as to check for me?

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]
Code:

YWG  Winnipeg MB CA [CYWG]
YYZ  Toronto Pearson Int'l ON CA [CYYZ]
MON  06 Sep 2010

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C      Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
AC        256    YWG  05:15    YYZ  08:33    E90      T9 R6 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 E0 A0 J7 C6 D6 Z6
AC        1108    YWG  06:30    YUL  09:59    E75      T9 R4 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 E0 A0 J5 C4 D4 Z4
 -> AC    409    YUL  11:00    YYZ  12:15    320      T0 R0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V1 N1 W1 G1 S0 P0 L0 E0 A0 J2 C2 D2 Z2
AC        260    YWG  08:00    YYZ  11:18    320      T9 R6 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L9 E0 A0 J9 C6 D6 Z6
AC        262    YWG  09:00    YYZ  12:18    319      T0 R4 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S0 P0 L0 E0 A0 J6 C4 D4 Z4
AC        1102    YWG  09:00    YOW  12:22    E90      T0 R3 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L0 E0 A0 J5 C3 D3 Z3
 -> AC    453    YOW  13:00    YYZ  14:00    E90      T6 R1 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S6 P6 L6 E0 A0 J6 C5 D5 Z5
AC        264    YWG  10:30    YYZ  13:48    E90      T0 R5 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S4 P4 L0 E0 A0 J7 C5 D5 Z5
AC        266    YWG  11:45    YYZ  15:03    320      T0 R9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S0 P0 L0 E0 A0 J9 C9 D9 Z9
AC        270    YWG  13:25    YYZ  16:43    E90      T0 R5 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S0 P0 L0 E0 A0 J7 C5 D5 Z5
AC        268    YWG  16:00    YYZ  19:18    320      T0 R7 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S0 P0 L0 E0 A0 J9 C8 D8 Z7
AC        272    YWG  18:50    YYZ  22:08    320      T0 R6 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 K9 V9 N9 W9 G9 S9 P9 L0 E0 A0 J9 C7 D7 Z6


sbm12 Aug 17, 2010 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by Keter (Post 14497431)
This is interline world... Examples are below:

1) Codesharing:

PAR-ROM flight, operated by AF but coded as AZ and governed by AZ fare. The booking class is determined by AZ fare (the fare's RBD chart 1; RBD chart 2 is irrelevant here).

2) Interline

MOW-AZ-ROM-DL-NYC. The fare is filed by DL but allows to have AZ-coded segments. RBD chart 1 information only applies to ROM-NYC segment which is DL coded. To find out what booking class should be used for AZ segment you go to RBD chart 2.

My reasons for wanting to know have nothing to do with caring about who owns the fare rules, collects the cash or plates the tickets. It is solely about being able to map what the operating carrier will report to the FF program of the crediting carrier based on the fare purchased from the marketing carrier. It could be on a single segment or part of a multi-segment PNR. It could be either of the two scenarios you describe above.

flyboy99 Aug 18, 2010 9:49 am

Thanks for your quick response!:)

dbgordon Aug 21, 2010 2:25 pm

Trouble Finding non-DL Skyteam Awards
 
Hi,

New to the KVS Tool, and have found it quite useful. The only problem I've come across thus far is that I've been looking for an award ticket from BOS to CAI, and when I search the Awards/Upgrades tab with DLM: Awards/Skyteam and Airline = *S Skyteam [DL/KL/AF] + AS, all I get is DL results, through ATL, JFK, etc. I've tried flights from BOS to CDG and FCO, and other places, assuming AF and AZ direct flights might come up -- again, all I end up with is DL flights. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance for the assistance.

KVS Aug 21, 2010 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by dbgordon (Post 14522273)
New to the KVS Tool, and have found it quite useful. The only problem I've come across thus far is that I've been looking for an award ticket from BOS to CAI, and when I search the Awards/Upgrades tab with DLM: Awards/Skyteam and Airline = *S Skyteam [DL/KL/AF] + AS, all I get is DL results, through ATL, JFK, etc. I've tried flights from BOS to CDG and FCO, and other places, assuming AF and AZ direct flights might come up -- again, all I end up with is DL flights. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance for the assistance.

Welcome to the KVS Tool & FlyerTalk!

For AF awards, it's currently best to use the [Sabre: FS] Method (via the [Availability] tab) -- please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes for details:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]
Code:

BOS  Boston Logan Int'l MA US [KBOS]
CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle FR [LFPG]
TUE  01 Mar 2011

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
AF        337    BOS  17:20    CDG  06:10    744      O0 X9

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]
Code:

CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle FR [LFPG]
CAI  Cairo Int'l EG [HECA]
TUE  01 Mar 2011

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
AF        508    CDG  13:35    CAI  19:00    772      O9 X0
AF        524    CDG  16:40    CAI  22:00    332      O9 X0


leonleonb Aug 22, 2010 6:12 am

Amadeus seat map down
 
Amadeus seat map is not available, and there is no another way to have a look on seat Map (as Galileo before)
I have, for several weeks these two answers:
first, in the four cabin, with Amadeus text
"Seat Map is unavailable or unsupportedfor this flight, cabin or carrier"
Please try a different Seat Map Method"
second, same with Amadeus-enhanced:
"Error Retrieving Seat Map Data: "Amadeus-Unable to process-"
As it is for AF flight I am very surprised...
Last research was for CDG-JNB on AF990, this evening.
Any solution?

KVS Aug 22, 2010 9:47 am


Originally Posted by leonleonb (Post 14524637)
I have, for several weeks these two answers:
first, in the four cabin, with Amadeus text
"Seat Map is unavailable or unsupportedfor this flight, cabin or carrier"
Please try a different Seat Map Method"
second, same with Amadeus-enhanced:
"Error Retrieving Seat Map Data: "Amadeus-Unable to process-"
As it is for AF flight I am very surprised...
Last research was for CDG-JNB on AF990, this evening.
Any solution?

If you are getting that error message from the Amadeus Enhanced Seat Maps, it means that AF had closed the Seat Map for that particular flight (e.g. because the flight is now under airport control).

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Amadeus Enhanced Seat Map: 25 Aug 2010/AF 990/CDG-JNB/EQV/Y]
Code:

    A  B  C  |  D  E  F  G  |  J  K  L 
10  +  P  P                    P  P  + 
11  P  P  P    G  G  G  G    X  X  X 
12  P  X  X    +              P  X  X 
14  P  P  X                    X  X  X 
15  P  P  P    P  X  X  X    X  X  X 
16  P  P  P    X  X  X  X    X  X  X 
17  P  P  P    P  P  P  P    P  P  P 
18  P  P  P    P  P  P  P    P  P  P 
19  -  -  -    -  +  +  -    -  -  - 
20  -  +  -    -  +  +  +    -  -  - 
21  -  +  -    -  +  +  -    -  -  + 
22  -  +  +    +  +  +  -    -  +  + 
23  -  +  -    +  +  +  +    +  +  + 
24  -  +  +    +  +  +  +    +  +  + 
25  +  +  +    +  +  +  +    +  +  + 
26  +  +  +    -  -  -  -    +  +  + 
27  +  -  -    +        +    +  +  + 
30  +  +  +    X  -  -  X    +  +  + 
31  +  +  -    -  -  -  -    X  +  + 
32  +  +  +    +  +  +  +    +  +  + 
33  +  +  +        -  +  +    +  +  + 
34  +  +  +    +  +  +  +    +  +  + 
35  +  +  +    X  -  -  +    +  +  + 
36  -  +  -    +  +  +  +    +  -  - 
37  +  +  +    +  -  -  +    -  -  + 
38  +  +  +    +  +  +  +    +  +  - 
39  +  +  +    +  +  +  +    +  +  + 
40  +  +  +    +  +  +  +    +  +  + 
41  +  +  +    G        G    +  +  + 
42  +  +  +                    +  +  + 
45  X  +  -    X  +  +  X    -  +  X 
46  +  +  +    -  -  -  -    +  +  + 
47  +  +  +    +  +  +  +    +  +  + 
48  +  +  +    +  +  +  -    +  +  + 
49  +  +  +    +  +  +  +    +  +  + 
50  +  +  +    +  +  +  +    +  +  + 
51  +  +  +    +  +  +  +    +  +  + 
52              +  +  +  +             

[+] Available  [-] Unavailable
[P] Preferred  [X] Blocked   
[G] Galley


heartybob Aug 23, 2010 2:58 pm

Never seen this before:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]
Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
KBP  Kiev Borispol UA [UKBB]
WED  22 Sep 2010

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C      Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------------
BA        840    LHR  07:00    KBP  12:30    320      J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 Q9 S9 G9 N9 O9
BA        882    LHR  09:45    KBP  15:05    321      J0 C0 D0 R0 I0 U0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 Q0 S0 G0 X0 N0 O0

BA882 zeroed out but showing U and X fare buckets.

However, ba.com is still selling seats on the BA882 :confused:

KVS Aug 23, 2010 4:16 pm


Originally Posted by heartybob (Post 14532687)
Never seen this before:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]
Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
KBP  Kiev Borispol UA [UKBB]
WED  22 Sep 2010

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C      Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------------
BA        840    LHR  07:00    KBP  12:30    320      J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 Q9 S9 G9 N9 O9
BA        882    LHR  09:45    KBP  15:05    321      J0 C0 D0 R0 I0 U0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 Q0 S0 G0 X0 N0 O0

BA882 zeroed out but showing U and X fare buckets.

However, ba.com is still selling seats on the BA882 :confused:

Must have been a glitch in the system:

[KVS Availability Tool 5.7.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]
Code:

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
KBP  Kiev Borispol UA [UKBB]
WED  22 Sep 2010

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------
BA        840    LHR  07:00    KBP  12:30    320      J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 Q9 S9 G9 N9 O9
BA        882    LHR  09:45    KBP  15:05    321      J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 Q9 S9 G9 N9 O9


typhoon Aug 25, 2010 1:03 pm

Happy to be renewing for our 4th time!
 
Knowledge is power, and KVS was invaluable earlier this year when I was stranded in Asia thanks to the ash clouds. Real time availability could show me where KLM had seat availability whilst the airline was saying on the phone that all flights were full. Two days later, when that flight was also cancelled, I could do a full all-Asia to Europe check and find what was available, and call the airline with the information.

The flight I found (which was eventually overbooked by 80 people) resulted in me coming home to Europe via a new routing, rather than sitting in Asia for a further three days at minimum.

Well done KVS! ^

mrx900 Aug 30, 2010 1:27 pm

Does KVS show RJ availability?
 
trying to check availability on Royal Jordanian (OneWorld)...so I can use my AA miles to fly them to DXB from the U.S.

No matter how far out I go, I get no availability.........is this possible?? or am I doing something wrong?

KVS Aug 30, 2010 1:35 pm


Originally Posted by mrx900 (Post 14572728)
trying to check availability on Royal Jordanian (OneWorld)...so I can use my AA miles to fly them to DXB from the U.S.

No matter how far out I go, I get no availability.........is this possible?? or am I doing something wrong?

OneWorld carriers, for which award availability is currently supported are: QF/BA/AA/AY/IB/MA/LA/4M/CX/KA/MX/JL. Please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes for details.


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