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YXSflyer Dec 5, 2014 4:48 pm


Originally Posted by davetravels (Post 23949218)
NOW, I can't even get the app to open! I get . . . .

"Webpage not available"

Again, I get the same. The main website for the KVS Tool is also not accessible.

KVS Dec 5, 2014 6:26 pm


Originally Posted by davetravels (Post 23949218)
NOW, I can't even get the app to open!


Originally Posted by YXSflyer (Post 23949358)
Again, I get the same. The main website for the KVS Tool is also not accessible.

The KVS Tool Homepage server had experienced a brief outage earlier on.


Originally Posted by davetravels (Post 23947976)
On the Mobile Companion, I keep getting an error


Originally Posted by YXSflyer (Post 23948082)
Same here. Thought I was doing something wrong, glad to see I'm not the only one with problems.

The Mobile Companion issue has now been resolved -- please try again at your convenience.

mileageking Dec 5, 2014 8:52 pm

Can anyone find KVS mobile tool in apple app store? I had it on my old phone and can't seem to find to download on new phone.

KVS Dec 5, 2014 10:14 pm


Originally Posted by mileageking (Post 23950219)
Can anyone find KVS mobile tool in apple app store? I had it on my old phone and can't seem to find to download on new phone.

Please see http://www.KVSTool.com/Mobile-Companion-Info.php

zara Dec 6, 2014 9:17 am

OW awards
 

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23936001)
What are your search parameters?

Method: Awards/OneWorld (QF credentials are entered, of course)
From: Muc
To: BKK/SFO/JFK/SIN (and loads of other airports)
Date: 01.Jan 2015 till August 2015
POS: AU-QFA-SP
Seats: 1

Message: No award availabilty/Engine Error

KVS Dec 6, 2014 9:40 am


Originally Posted by zara (Post 23952010)
Method: Awards/OneWorld (QF credentials are entered, of course)
From: Muc
To: BKK/SFO/JFK/SIN (and loads of other airports)
Date: 01.Jan 2015 till August 2015
POS: AU-QFA-SP
Seats: 1

Message: No award availabilty/Engine Error

Except for MUC-JFK, those routes would need to be searched segment-by-segment. Alternatively, you can use the [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Method:

[KVS Tool 7.7.2/Diamond - Awards/OneWorld/AU-QFA-SP]
Code:

MUC  Munich Franz Josef Strauss DE [EDDM]
JFK  New York John F Kennedy Intl NY US [KJFK]
SUN  01 Feb 2015 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive        St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
BA        947    MUC  07:45    LHR  09:00          0  FS-  CS+  YS+
 -> BA    185    LHR  11:05    EWR  14:05          0  FS+  CS-  YS+
BA        947    MUC  07:45    LHR  09:00          0  FS-  CS+  YS+
 -> BA    113    LHR  11:30    JFK  14:25          0  FS-  CS-  YS+
BA        947    MUC  07:45    LHR  09:00          0  FS-  CS+  YS+
 -> BA    177    LHR  13:15    JFK  16:15          0  FS-  CS-  YS+
BA        947    MUC  07:45    LHR  09:00          0  FS-  CS+  YS+
 -> AA    101    LHR  10:35    JFK  13:35          0  FS-  CS-  YS+
BA        947    MUC  07:45    LHR  09:00          0  FS-  CS+  YS+
 -> AA    105    LHR  12:35    JFK  15:35          0  FS-  CS-  YS+
BA        949    MUC  10:35    LHR  11:40          0  FS-  CS+  YS+
 -> BA    177    LHR  13:15    JFK  16:15          0  FS-  CS-  YS+
BA        949    MUC  10:35    LHR  11:40          0  FS-  CS+  YS+
 -> BA    173    LHR  14:15    JFK  17:20          0  FS-  CS-  YS+
BA        949    MUC  10:35    LHR  11:40          0  FS-  CS+  YS+
 -> BA    189    LHR  15:10    EWR  18:05          0  FS-  CS-  YS+
BA        953    MUC  16:00    LHR  17:00          0  FS-  CS+  YS-
 -> BA    179    LHR  18:00    JFK  21:00          0  FS-  CS-  YS-  WS+
BA        953    MUC  16:00    LHR  17:00          0  FS-  CS+  YS-
 -> BA    181    LHR  19:00    JFK  22:05          0  FS-  CS-  YS-  WS+
BA        953    MUC  16:00    LHR  17:00          0  FS-  CS+  YS-
 -> BA    183    LHR  20:00    JFK  22:55          0  FS-  CS-  YS+
IB        3195    MUC  07:35    MAD  10:25          0  FS-  CS+  YS+
 -> IB    6251    MAD  12:30    JFK  15:20          0  FS-  CS-  YS+
IB        3191    MUC  12:05    MAD  14:50          0  FS-  CS+  YS-
 -> IB    6253    MAD  16:00    JFK  18:50          0  FS-  CS-  YS+
AB        6192    MUC  07:15    TXL  08:30          0  FS-  CS-  YS+
 -> AB    7248    TXL  13:00    JFK  15:50          0  FS-  CS-  YS+

[KVS Tool 7.7.2/Diamond - Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:

MUC  Munich Franz Josef Strauss DE [EDDM]
BKK  Bangkok Metro / Suvarnabhumi Intl TH = BKK DMK [VTBS]
SUN  01 Feb 2015 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive        St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
AY        804    MUC  11:50    HEL  15:25              CS2  WS/  YS0
 -> AY    95      HEL  18:30    BKK  09:15 +1          CS+  WS/  YS-
BA        947    MUC  07:45    LHR  09:00              CS0  YS9
 -> BA    9      LHR  14:55    BKK  09:10 +1          CS-  WS-  YS+
BA        949    MUC  10:35    LHR  11:40              CS0  YS9
 -> BA    9      LHR  14:55    BKK  09:10 +1          CS-  WS-  YS+


mileageking Dec 6, 2014 10:14 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23950439)

thanks

greenglaz Dec 7, 2014 7:34 am

Why is the difference?

Booking code O this is CS, but no YS

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/qO...Kw4=w1886-h751

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/XK...Ow4=w1886-h751

KVS Dec 7, 2014 10:22 am


Originally Posted by greenglaz (Post 23956145)
Why is the difference?

Booking code O this is CS, but no YS

The images you have embedded are not publicly-accessible -- please re-post.

greenglaz Dec 7, 2014 10:47 am


The images you have embedded are not publicly-accessible -- please re-post.
Ready

rj123456 Dec 7, 2014 2:20 pm

I am trying to check availability for NRT-SHE-ICN APR 16 in Business Class (Class CS?) [Method AF/Skyteam]

NRT-SHE shows 3 seats on CZ
The SHE-ICN line is blank.

The Air France website will not recognize SHE as a valid originating airport, but accepts it as a destination airport.

If I choose a RT Apr 11 ICN-SHE Apr 16, the SHE-ICN return shows up with 3 C seats available (CZ 671).

According to an Alitalia ticketing agent, only 2 seats are available.

Any pointers why KVS shows 0, AF 3 (but only if selected as part of a round trip), and Alitalia finds only 2? Plus the agent claimed that even if she found the award inventory she was not sure if she would actually be able to book it.

KVS Dec 7, 2014 7:17 pm


Originally Posted by greenglaz (Post 23956881)
Ready

The images are still not accessible.
Please re-post using http://TinyPic.com (or similar).


Originally Posted by rj123456 (Post 23957845)
I am trying to check availability for NRT-SHE-ICN APR 16 in Business Class (Class CS?) [Method AF/Skyteam]

NRT-SHE shows 3 seats on CZ
The SHE-ICN line is blank.

As noted in the KVS Tool User Guide, the [Awards/SkyTeam] Method provides Availability on a per-trip basis. The Award Availability shown applies to all connecting segments.


Originally Posted by rj123456 (Post 23957845)
The Air France website will not recognize SHE as a valid originating airport, but accepts it as a destination airport.

Indeed, it is a limitation of that Engine.


Originally Posted by rj123456 (Post 23957845)
If I choose a RT Apr 11 ICN-SHE Apr 16, the SHE-ICN return shows up with 3 C seats available (CZ 671).

According to an Alitalia ticketing agent, only 2 seats are available.

We have confirmed that 3 C Award Seats are currently available on CZ 628, but only 2 on CZ 671.


Originally Posted by rj123456 (Post 23957845)
Any pointers why KVS shows 0

It does not -- please see above.


Originally Posted by rj123456 (Post 23957845)
AF 3 (but only if selected as part of a round trip), and Alitalia finds only 2?

It's either a System or Segment Marriage logic issue:
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Factors


Originally Posted by rj123456 (Post 23957845)
Plus the agent claimed that even if she found the award inventory she was not sure if she would actually be able to book it.

Why not?

rj123456 Dec 7, 2014 9:27 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23958907)
As noted in the KVS Tool User Guide, the [Awards/SkyTeam] Method provides Availability on a per-trip basis. The Award Availability shown applies to all connecting segments.

Indeed, it is a limitation of that Engine.

We have confirmed that 3 C Award Seats are currently available on CZ 628, but only 2 on CZ 671.

How did you confirm that only 2 C are available on CZ 671?
I'm not sure I get the whole "married segments" concept but it seems what you are saying is the the AF engine is getting tricked into showing 3 seats for the NRT-SHE-ICN routing? And the blank line on KVS (which per your suggestion is the same as the first line, i.e. 3 seats ARE available) is an artifact of the AF bug?


Why not?
"Our system will not allow it". I asked her if she could call CZ (i.e. suggesting what I believe is called a "long sell", I might even have used those words) - but she said they do not have any way of checking inventory with CZ. I am not totally clear on what the agent was saying. Perhaps she meant that only 2 seats were available, period. I also asked if she could book the 2 and we could figure out the 3rd, but she thinks that by doing so the third person's LAX-ICN and ICN-LAX transpacific C legs might get blown away. (There seems to be reasonable return inventory but I confirmed that now no seats show available on the outbound flight).

Other than this the agent has been very very nice, in fact she called me back like she promised (unlike reports to the contrary on the AZ boards that the call center agents never do so). She also complimented me on finding the itinerary and has given me till Thursday to find something else :)

I need 3 seats in C from Tokyo to Seoul Apr 15/16 with at least one leg not on Korean Airlines (nonstop KE inventory is available, but AZ claims stopovers are not permitted on Single Skyteam Partner awards).

greenglaz Dec 8, 2014 11:04 am

Without pix

Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Awards & Upgrades Search
Departing HKT on 12/29/14 0:00 for SVO
Flying SU on booking class O
Direct/Non-Stop Only
Frequency
Flight Stops Depart Arrive Aircraft Reliability Class Description Code Seats
0 Connections
SU 275 0 HKT SVO 77W Su,M,Th Business - Award & Upgrade O 2
12/29/14 11:55 12/29/14 18:20 NA / NA

[KVS Tool 7.7.2/Diamond - Awards/SkyTeam/FR-AF]
HKT Phuket Intl TH [VTSP]
SVO Moscow Sheremetyevo Intl RU [UUEE]
MON 29 Dec 2014 | 1 Seat
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Award Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------------
SU 275 HKT 11:55 SVO 18:20 YS+

CS+ vs YS+ =Why?=

KVS Dec 8, 2014 11:43 am


Originally Posted by greenglaz (Post 23962034)
[KVS Tool 7.7.2/Diamond - Awards/SkyTeam/FR-AF]
Code:

HKT  Phuket Intl TH [VTSP]
SVO  Moscow Sheremetyevo Intl RU [UUEE]
MON  29 Dec 2014 | 1 Seat
Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive        St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
SU        275    HKT  11:55    SVO  18:20              YS+

CS+ vs YS+ =Why?=

SU appears to be providing different Award Availability to different partners.

You can see the 2 O Class Seats via the KVS Tool Mobile Companion, specifying SU as the airline.


Originally Posted by rj123456 (Post 23959280)
How did you confirm that only 2 C are available on CZ 671?

You can see the 2 Seats via the KVS Tool Mobile Companion, specifying CZ as the Airline code.


Originally Posted by rj123456 (Post 23959280)
I'm not sure I get the whole "married segments" concept but it seems what you are saying is the the AF engine is getting tricked into showing 3 seats for the NRT-SHE-ICN routing? And the blank line on KVS (which per your suggestion is the same as the first line, i.e. 3 seats ARE available) is an artifact of the AF bug?

It's not an AF bug -- CZ is currently managing its Availability that way (whether intentionally or in-error):

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Factors


Originally Posted by justhere (Post 23945335)
Trying to figure out why a simple domestic US OneWorld award isn't showing up in KVS Tool. I'm searching on Dec 26 PHX-MCI and have tried Awards/BA-OneWorld and also Awards/OneWorld and the only results I get are on AA flights with connections.

Unlike AA, US Award Availability can only be searched via the [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Method:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#US


Originally Posted by justhere (Post 23945335)
When I look on usairways.com and aa.com there is a non-stop on US that has low availability. Why isn't this flight showing up on the KVS Tool?

It appears that US does not currently provide Award Availability on that flight to its Partners, either intentionally or due to a data sync issue.


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