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cmn.jcs Nov 20, 2014 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by shore9 (Post 23872062)
May I ask the reason for discontinuing flight availability with the regular version of the KVS tool?

What is now the best way to look up flight availability?

thanks

The primary method was through scraping flightstats.com. About a month or two ago, FlightStats stopped displaying that data. The fallback method was using GTC credentials. However, those are generally not available for free, and as far as I know, KVS itself does not provide a means to obtain them (which is not to say that one cannot acquire their own from another source).

I believe there is still availability through the KVS mobile companion. However, that is limited to just the highest tier of "contributors", and suffers from not being able to look up flights before some time in the morning (I want to say 8am, but don't remember for sure). KVS has not answered questions about any forthcoming sources, nor why the mobile companion source isn't available in the desktop app.

KVS Nov 21, 2014 3:41 pm


Originally Posted by ExpatExp (Post 23870660)
I love the KVS Tool and have found it very useful over the years. I don't have a current subscription but would like to renew it next time I have a lot of flight planning to do.

And we look forward to welcoming you back as a KVS Tool Member soon!


Originally Posted by shore9 (Post 23872062)
May I ask the reason for discontinuing flight availability with the regular version of the KVS tool?

The reason is that, unfortunately, the [Availability/FS] (RIP 2010-2014) & [Availability/ETR] (RIP 2005-2014) Engines no longer exist.


Originally Posted by shore9 (Post 23872062)
What is now the best way to look up flight availability?

KVS Tool Members can continue to access Regular Flight Availability via the KVS Tool Mobile Companion.


Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 23871660)
I'm torn - I like it as I can search CX, LH, and others that don't show up with EF (right?)

KVS Tool continues to provide an incomparably wider Award & Upgrade Availability coverage across all 3 Global Alliances -- you may wish to compare the list of supported airlines in the KVS Tool User Guide with the relevant list of the other tool/service.


Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 23871660)
But I'm lazy, and I like the KVS app...just easier to click a button vs. re-doing searches w/EF.

Sounds like you have answered your own question already ;).


Originally Posted by bworrell (Post 23870677)
Any news on when Delta award availability will be available again? That's one of the features I used the most. (And Skyteam award availability doesn't really help as that shows only low mileage -- and everyone know how great Delta is at having low award availability.)

The major [Awards/DL-SkyTeam] Method update has been completed and KVS Tool V7.7.2 Release is now available for download on the KVS Tool Homepage.

bworrell Nov 22, 2014 2:11 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23878666)
The major [Awards/DL-SkyTeam] Method update has been completed and KVS Tool V7.7.2 Release is now available for download on the KVS Tool Homepage.

Thanks!

Is the "elite" button gone though? I'm only getting the "I'm not flying on this itinerary" results instead of the enhanced availability...

flyingmd817 Nov 22, 2014 2:07 pm

KVS Tool and Miles and More award availability
 
KVS tool under Miles and Mores shows award space availabilty for several days I am considering for travel yet when I go online to book or call Miles and More they say no seats are available. Anyone else finding this ?
Thanks

KVS Nov 22, 2014 2:21 pm


Originally Posted by flyingmd817 (Post 23882232)
KVS tool under Miles and Mores shows award space availabilty for several days I am considering for travel yet when I go online to book or call Miles and More they say no seats are available. Anyone else finding this ?

Please pay attention to the date change indicators when using the [Awards/M&M] Method:

http://i62.tinypic.com/2nqcp3q.gif

hnewman Nov 22, 2014 2:31 pm


Originally Posted by bworrell (Post 23880167)
Thanks!

Is the "elite" button gone though? I'm only getting the "I'm not flying on this itinerary" results instead of the enhanced availability...

Yes, Thanks. Did DL ban elite login?

flyingmd817 Nov 22, 2014 2:31 pm

Thank you ,,,my bad!

redtop43 Nov 22, 2014 10:56 pm

OK I'm confused in more ways than one, but this looks like the place to find help.

A few years ago I subscribed to KVS briefly, Diamond level. My main objective was to find biz class award flights between RDU and OTP using Skymiles. The DL site only searched DL/KL/AF, and my experience was that it was often necessary to use RO and calling DL was very frustrating.

After a hiatus of booking international award trips, I again had a need. Specifically I was looking to go PHL-BOM around New Year's, PHL-FCO next spring, and possibly IAD-OTP. I plunked down the $45 for a 6-month diamond subscription.

What puzzled me was that in doing the search for BOM, I found availability on the DL website, but not on KVS. It took some work, I had to play with it segment by segment, but I eventually found it. In fact, the actual routing involves 3 of the 4 segments on VS, but when I do the search on KVS I get no VS flights - only DL/KL/AF.

I know there have been issues with DL. I guess I'm wondering if someone can tell me what's going on. It's hard to imagine that DL.dumb could actually be more useful than KVS, but is that the case? Assuming I am only interested in using KVS for Skypeso availability, have I wasted my money?

d'Yquem Nov 23, 2014 10:15 am

Does anyone know in which country KVS is based? It/he seems to have gone to great lengths to make itself/himself anonymous...

JIMCHI Nov 23, 2014 11:39 am

I believe he is in New York. What difference does that make?

AndySAV Nov 23, 2014 2:55 pm

Good to have the KVS thread back. I've used this tool for many years and it's been particularly useful for skyteam flights because the Delta award search engine has been so poor, it also makes it easy to search a large variety of airlines quickly without jumping between websites. I consider the yearly cost to be very reasonable even if I only book one trip. I trust KVS info much more than Delta.com

IMH Nov 23, 2014 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by d'Yquem (Post 23885251)
Does anyone know in which country KVS is based? It/he seems to have gone to great lengths to make itself/himself anonymous...

Indeed. Obviously the individual FlyerTalk member KVS is entitled to her/his privacy, but it seems reasonable for customers and potential customers to want at least basic data about the business entity behind the KVS 'Tool' app.

KVS Nov 23, 2014 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by bworrell (Post 23880167)
Thanks!

Is the "elite" button gone though? I'm only getting the "I'm not flying on this itinerary" results instead of the enhanced availability...


Originally Posted by hnewman (Post 23882315)
Yes, Thanks.

The [Elite] option has not yet been implemented in the new version.

If you have found it useful in the past, please add your 'vote' in this Thread.


Originally Posted by redtop43 (Post 23883800)
OK I'm confused in more ways than one, but this looks like the place to find help.

A few years ago I subscribed to KVS briefly, Diamond level. My main objective was to find biz class award flights between RDU and OTP using Skymiles. The DL site only searched DL/KL/AF, and my experience was that it was often necessary to use RO and calling DL was very frustrating.

After a hiatus of booking international award trips, I again had a need. Specifically I was looking to go PHL-BOM around New Year's, PHL-FCO next spring, and possibly IAD-OTP. I plunked down the $45 for a 6-month diamond subscription.

Welcome back to the KVS Tool!


Originally Posted by redtop43 (Post 23883800)
What puzzled me was that in doing the search for BOM, I found availability on the DL website, but not on KVS. It took some work, I had to play with it segment by segment, but I eventually found it. In fact, the actual routing involves 3 of the 4 segments on VS, but when I do the search on KVS I get no VS flights - only DL/KL/AF.

Sounds like you were using the [Awards/SkyTeam] Method [only], instead of [Awards/VS] and/or [Awards/DL-SkyTeam], which are required for Awards on VS flights.

Please always consult the KVS Tool User Guide to ensure that you are selecting the correct Method(s) for the Airline(s) you are trying to search:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes


Originally Posted by redtop43 (Post 23883800)
I know there have been issues with DL. I guess I'm wondering if someone can tell me what's going on. It's hard to imagine that DL.dumb could actually be more useful than KVS, but is that the case?

Not only is it "hard to imagine", but it is also technically impossible for the KVS Tool to display less options, if the correct Method(s) are selected.

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typical Nov 23, 2014 10:11 pm

I purchased a PlatinumDiamond 2 months to do some detailed research on different circle and RTW fares for an upcoming trip.

Honestly, wish I hadn't. Trying to figure out how to make the tool show RTW fares - even one at a time - is baffling. :(


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