I wonder how long Verizon will take to release the phone.... Hell the 600 just came out a few months ago...

The reason that Palm sales are down is because they have nothing new to offer. There is no "must have now" feature. My 4-year old handspring performs just fine, and I have no need for a bulky combo/phone/PDA (yes even the 650's are bulky compared to my phone).

However, I would jump tomorrow to replace my PDA if I could access the web and particularly hotmail, gmail, etc. from any wi-fi hotspot like starbucks.
Adding WiFi to all new Palm's is a no-brainer, particularly if they can partner with a cheap WiFi service (i.e. not $40/mo like blackberry). It should not be hard to do by bundling with existing service as sprint already sells web access as an add-on to phone service. Yes, I know they have the Tungsten, but most of us are not going to pay that kind of money for a palm just to upgrade and then some huge monthly fee on top of that.

It is obvious that they just don't get it at Palm. Which is a shame as I would prefer not to be stuck with Windows CE units when Palm craters.

A pocketPC in a Treo form factor would be awesome, thank goodness BenQ is working on one...

As I said a few notes above, the Palm Tungsten C does have WiFi. See http://www.palmone.com/us/products/h...ds/tungsten-c/

It can access the web and hotmail, gmail, etc. from any wi-fi hotspot. So if that is all you need, go for it. You should be able to find some VoIP software to make it into a phone too.

If I am not mistaken the CPU in the TungstenC was too slow to handle decent VoIP...

Not sure. I played around with one on my wifi network and web browsing worked fine. It depends on what codec you use, but VoIP really shouldn't take up many CPU cycles at all. Perhaps interrupts are an issue?

Yes, the Tungsten C does have WiFi. But last time I checked the Tungsten C was running $499. And then you have the monthly service on top of that which runs something like $30/mo minimum and only covers certain hotspots, i.e. Starbucks is served by a different provider than Marriott, airports, etc. I would love to have Palm WiFi but I already pay $40/mo for DSL and $50/mo for Mobile phone, so I am reluctant to shell out another $30/mo just to access private email during the day.

As I said, WiFi providers would be smart to bundle it with DSL or Cell. I think both sprint and earthlink offer some type of package but neither one works with the Tungsten AFAIK and I don't want a bulky phone/pda combo (yes even Treo 650 is too bulky, as is the Tungsten).

Why pay $30 per month? Starbucks isn't the only place with WiFi. Many communities around the world are now offering free wifi. And in your office you should have or may soon have wifi for free. You might occasionally have to pay at an airport or hotel, but that isn't $30 per month. And the Palm Tungsten C is anything but bulky. Also, the Palm website has them for $399.

Not that I'm trying to sell Palm on you. I'm just trying to correct some misconceptions.

I am no gadget geek and can not decide between the two. I currently have T-Mobile and would rather stick with them. Can anyone point out highs and lows between the two?

Many thanks in advance...

Treo uses standard SD cards, P910 uses Memorystick Duo

Treo can run all palm apps, P910 will only take UIQ Symbian apps, not as common

Treo has a fairly decent keyboard, the P910 doesn't

Other than that it's all a matter of personal choice, both devices cater for a different user, personally I am not a fan of PalmOS devices and Palm certainly has some major quality control issues they need to work on.

My personal choice would be the SonyEricsson P910.

ScottC, thanks!

Would Sony P910i enable me to get emails from Yahoo, hotmail or gmail?

I noticed that Treo 650 lets one get movie showtimes, maps, etc.

Since my laptop and digital cameras are both Sony, I am now leaning towards 910. It's pretty pricey, though...



QUOTE=ScottC]Treo uses standard SD cards, P910 uses Memorystick Duo

Treo can run all palm apps, P910 will only take UIQ Symbian apps, not as common

Treo has a fairly decent keyboard, the P910 doesn't

Other than that it's all a matter of personal choice, both devices cater for a different user, personally I am not a fan of PalmOS devices and Palm certainly has some major quality control issues they need to work on.

My personal choice would be the SonyEricsson P910.[/QUOTE]

I may get bashed posting in this thread, but I have a Samsung I500 from Sprint. I realize it only runs Palm OS 4, but I gave up carrying a Visor years ago because I don't carry a purse, and I didn't want to have to pocket both a cell phone and a PDA. The Treo is still way too big. Until Handspring figures out to start offering a clamshell design, I have no plans to switch.

AFAIK there is no application to download hotmail or yahoo. Gmail can be downloaded through POP3.

With a software package from Handmark on the Treo (subscription based) you can view maps and movietimes, there are plenty of free websites that will let you do this on a P910.

As for already having a Sony laptop and camera; keep in mind that Sony doesn't really actively participate in the mobile phone development, having Sony equipment will not get you any extra satisfaction or support. The software on the P910 is made by Symbian, a totally different company.

You might want to check this site for P910 applications:

http://my-symbian.com/uiq/applications/index.php

of course, with a computer one can always use yahoopops, which allows pop download, but for a ppc, or other device, one would have to pay yahoo their 9.99-14.99 a year fee, in order to be able to download via pop account. But, it does work and is availalble.

gmail is also pop3 accessable of course for free.