Would someone please answer my question? What is the procedure?Thanks

A TB member must make a motion on the TB board. Then another TB member must second it. It then is posted here for discussion. After a set period of time TB votes and if they have 6 or more TB members for it the motion passes.

Mikey, I suggest starting a separate thread in this forum addressing your concern. The noise-to-signal ratio in this thread is preposterous.

Frame it something like "Requesting That TB Consider A Proposal To Do Away With All Post Counts And Titles."

Or make something up along those lines and we can get a separate dialogue going.

Thanks.

Omni posts should count.


If its decided not to count then the reasons for this should be listed. And any posts that fit this bill (past, present and future) should also not count.

(* Added for clarity.)

I agree with you 100%, annerj as that is the only way to achieve consistency. I would happily make a motion to that effect if we could just find some supreme being worthy of task of judging each individual post.

This would have to be someone who has perfect objectivity and judment in all things and who is willing to read each and every post (past, present and future) to determine whether or not that post deserves to count. This Judge would have to be someone whom every FlyerTalker respected without question, to the point that they would happily accept his/her decision as to the worthiness of each post, without any question whatsoever.

Despite their claims and posturing to the contrary, all the FlyerTalkers that I know, who might be available for this job are mere, fallible mortals, who come to the table with their own bag so full of prejudice against particular posters, forums and subjects, that I am afraid they would only do more harm than good if they were set up to play supreme being.

For that reason, I have decided to vote "Yes" OMNI posts should count.

IMHO, the ideal situation would have been to continue to allow OMNI posts to count and establish a separate "Play Pen", where posts did not count from the start, to allow the gamesters to play to their hearts content without upsetting the folks who seem to care who has the most posts. That sounded to me like a reasonable balance.

Unfortunately, once again, a FT feature was destroyed by a small handful of abusers and our discussion along those lines was curtailed by Randy's abrupt decision to stop OMNI posts from counting, which resulted in this current motion. My undestanding was that this motion was basically just a request that Randy back up and allow us to continue our deliberations and get to the point where we could make a considered recommendation that he then could accept or reject as he saw fit. That is how I thought TalkBoard was supposed to work

I want to thank all of you for your input, especially folks like Kiwi Flyer who actually put together a solid reason, based on his own experience, to support his opinion.

This was a valuable discussion that allowed many folks to express their feelings and I want to thank Randy and the moderators for allowing it to continue. Painful as it sometimes might have been at times be to wade through all the posts, open, honest discussions like this, where everyone has the opportunity to be heard, are very healthy both for the individuals involved, as well as entire communities such as ours.

Just to be clear, that's not the current motion that you seconded. None of the wordings of the motion asked Randy to back up or reinstate OMNI counts.

kokonutz just lay out his expectations (or intents) for this motion. Whether the wordings of the current motion can carry that much weight, that's open to discussion. I am on the same boat as nsx. I had expected a more thoughtout proposal (if post counts was the issue at hand)

My point is a summary should have been a factual account of what's been said (or at least accurately representing/reciting what's been said). Without personal interpretation or perceptions, without adding any colorful or emotional phrases/words. Sadly to say, that's not what I saw from your 3-point summary. That could be interpreted (by me) that you didn't actually capture the points from the again-OMNI-post-counting side. I'd referenced other posts to let you know I am not the only one who's feeling that way (hence I assume it shouldn't be a language barrier issue).

I do apprecaite your taking time to post your summarized "perception" though.

Misunderstanding is not a healthy way to form one's opinion. I expect all TB members to excise their best judgement and vote. Any of the votes should be based on true understanding (of each perspective, or as many as possible).

You are correct, lin821, as Koko stated, the goal of the motion was (step one) to get Randy to reconsider his abrupt decision and back up to the previous status quo; so, if it passed, we could move on to (step two) coming up with a well-thought-out recommendation for dealing with the gamesters, which Randy could then accept or reject.

You go on to say:

Again you are correct, I did ask for facts and, as far as I could see, you and the others you quoted offered up unsubstantiated feelings. Of course, I may have missed something as there were a lot of posts that I had to read very quickly from airline lounges in foreign countries. If you did have a solid reason why you do not think OMNI posts should count, that I somehow missed, I would very much appreciate your restating that reason.

Beyond that, I did my level best to read every post and try to understand each and every FlyerTalker's point of view before casting my vote based ultimately upon my very best judgment.

If enough folks like the way I think, they can vote for me again should I decide to run in 2009. If not, I will just have to learn to be happy spending my spare time dancing and traveling.

A question to all current TB members:

Whether this motion fails or passes, will the motion-supporting TB members amongst you vote in favor of a moratorium on reconsidering anything to do with post counts until after the next TB election?

Whether this motion fails or passes, will the motion-opposing TB members amongst you vote in favor of a moratorium on reconsidering anything to do with post counts until after the next TB election?

Frankly, I would like to see TB pass a moritorum on new threads about about post counts.

For some, with some sort of problem.

Some of us on the other hand come here often (3-4 times a day, in my case) in order to read the questions, provide answers if appropriate, to ask questions and to read answers to previously quoted questions.

I myself could not give a FRF about my post count, and would certainly continue in exactly the same way I am now if this was eliminated.

Those who are posting purely to increase their post count are a waste of space, and should be ignored.

Dave

NOBODY is suggesting that everything other than M&P's be eliminated from FT, only from the post-count.

Everyone is still free to come on board and talk about whatever they like, in whatever forum they like (subject to the general rules of that forum). Everyone can still get their fix of "Who will be the 976,821,845th poster to post" and FT will be exactly like it is now.

The only difference is that someones post-count will not increase by one.

Now if that means that they get so p1$$ed off that they pack up their bags and go elsewhere, then I say good riddance. They obvioulsy aren't interested enough to be here in the first place.

Dave

On 29 February 2008, the TalkBoard failed to pass, 3-6,

Moved by kokonutz and seconded by Punki:

that the Talkboard recommend that Randy reconsider his decision to implement the policy of not counting posts in OMNI toward post totals and instead count OMNI posts in a poster's post count.


Voting yes: gleff, kokonutz, Punki

Voting no: bhatnasx, Cholula, Jenbel, lucky9876coins, Spiff, techgirl

Due to controversial nature of this motion, Craig and I want to ask members - in advance - to be respectful in any comments they make following the vote decision.

Thank you in advance.

I want to thank our TB members who accompanied us through this "exciting" ordeal. TB members use their votes to send the messages to the general members. I personally appreciate those TB members who took their time and shared with us their line of thinking (not just those who posted in this thread).

Even the votes themselves tell us, the general memberships, where TB members stand, their posts outside the private TB forum actually allow us to see more of their "flesh" and logics. We may not agree with one and another all the times. But that's the beauty of discussion. This way of dialoguing is essential to a healthy FT community. Good to know the best judgement had been excised.

I am looking forward to a throughly thoughtout motion on the issue of "post counts" from our TB.