Voting Completed - Motion Failed: Include OMNI posts in Post Counts
Feb 28, 2008 | 2:08 pm
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Dovster's theory is belied by the observations many have made about the lack of quality and quantity of posts in OMNI since "the decision." Example:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=795915
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=795915
Feb 28, 2008 | 2:53 pm
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If Ft were to eliminate everything not related to M&P's and traffic dropped off significantly would this effect would this effect FT's bottom line? I assume that the ad revenues must be based on the amount of traffic on the site.
Feb 28, 2008 | 2:57 pm
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I am talking about post counts. I have never suggested that non M&P forums/threads be ended.
Feb 28, 2008 | 3:14 pm
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If we are going to have post counts at all, I am leaning toward the conclusion that all posts should count, simply because I don't think anyone is so all-knowing, and has such perfect judgment, that they could accurately determine which posts should and which posts should not count.
Well I did receive an e-mail from one FlyerTalker advising me that they actually did have perfect judgment, but didn't have the time to read and make a decision on every single post.
Well I did receive an e-mail from one FlyerTalker advising me that they actually did have perfect judgment, but didn't have the time to read and make a decision on every single post.
Feb 28, 2008 | 3:20 pm
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To me the most valuable knowledge I've received from this board has been from OMNI. Sure, I learned how to use the ITA Software Tool and some other neat travel things in the M&P forums, but in OMNI I learned about mortgage tax incentives, how to best understand a rental market, where conservatives and liberals come from when they speak of free trade not being fair trade, etc. etc. I have also made lots of friends in OMNI as opposed to the other forums which remain fairly sterile (which is why they have off-topic threads, like the Delta Lounge).
To me OMNI is an integral part not only of FT but one of the more informative and knowledge-rich forums anywhere. As such I think the knowledge there is deserving to "count" in any meaningful sense of the word. The way we have things "count" around here is to have them increase post count totals.
In short, I'll for OMNI counting. ^
This is not to say that OMNI is perfect. It's not. There are annoyances, there are game threads, there are post-padders, etc. etc. etc. However, all of these issues can be dealt with other much measures, some of which are already in place, they just need to be enforced (post padding in TOS, for instance).
To me OMNI is an integral part not only of FT but one of the more informative and knowledge-rich forums anywhere. As such I think the knowledge there is deserving to "count" in any meaningful sense of the word. The way we have things "count" around here is to have them increase post count totals.
In short, I'll for OMNI counting. ^
This is not to say that OMNI is perfect. It's not. There are annoyances, there are game threads, there are post-padders, etc. etc. etc. However, all of these issues can be dealt with other much measures, some of which are already in place, they just need to be enforced (post padding in TOS, for instance).
Originally Posted by tonerman View Post
I have a simple question.
Why do you (pro post counters) feel so strongly about this?
I kinda understand the anti post counters sentiments, but honestly don't know why this is such a big deal.
I have a simple question.
Why do you (pro post counters) feel so strongly about this?
I kinda understand the anti post counters sentiments, but honestly don't know why this is such a big deal.
Now please tell me how counting games, who will be games etc. enhance your argument to keep counts?
Feb 28, 2008 | 3:22 pm
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Why take away any forum that FTers find useful/informative/fun?
Feb 28, 2008 | 3:25 pm
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) is correct.
Feb 28, 2008 | 3:44 pm
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Let's look at it this way. FT is about Miles and Points. Everything else is just fun or general information.
There is no reason to count anything except M & P. IMHO, there is no reason to have post counts at all, other than a minimum number to be CC or OMNI eligible.
This is, and has always been, an ego issue. Some FTers want, demand, desire (use your own word) high and mighty counts and titles.
None of this means a thing. Let's concentrate on Miles and Points and General Information and let those who want mind candy or time wasters or (use your own words) post away in OMNI. Just don't count the posts.
I would love to see someone move to do away with all counts and titles (can I make such a motion, or does it have to be made by TB member who can stand the heat?)
Please vote to keep no counts in OMNI.
Thank you,
Mike
There is no reason to count anything except M & P. IMHO, there is no reason to have post counts at all, other than a minimum number to be CC or OMNI eligible.
This is, and has always been, an ego issue. Some FTers want, demand, desire (use your own word) high and mighty counts and titles.
None of this means a thing. Let's concentrate on Miles and Points and General Information and let those who want mind candy or time wasters or (use your own words) post away in OMNI. Just don't count the posts.
I would love to see someone move to do away with all counts and titles (can I make such a motion, or does it have to be made by TB member who can stand the heat?)
Please vote to keep no counts in OMNI.
Thank you,
Mike
Feb 28, 2008 | 3:55 pm
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Given that ego probably does drive post counts for some FTers -- after all this is a community that is about racking up numbers under their accounts -- is ego-driving-posts/posts-driving-ego such a bad thing? Not in my opinion .... at least not as long as the ego factor includes being interested in posting quality posts that either provide information, contribute to the discussion and/or further a sense of community.
Feb 28, 2008 | 4:06 pm
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Feb 28, 2008 | 4:40 pm
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Given that ego probably does drive post counts for some FTers -- after all this is a community that is about racking up numbers under their accounts -- is ego-driving-posts/posts-driving-ego such a bad thing? Not in my opinion .... at least not as long as the ego factor includes being interested in posting quality posts that either provide information, contribute to the discussion and/or further a sense of community.
Just saying...
Feb 28, 2008 | 4:51 pm
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Im easy to please (just ask my wife ) as all I want to see is some consistency that I can understand. Not counting posts for special access forums only makes sense to me if you limited the post counter to showing the max of that number.
I would still love to understand how posts like these
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost....73&postcount=6
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost....89&postcount=7
are valuable to FT but yet all the posts from these threads arent
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=795409
) as all I want to see is some consistency that I can understand. Not counting posts for special access forums only makes sense to me if you limited the post counter to showing the max of that number.I would still love to understand how posts like these
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost....73&postcount=6
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost....89&postcount=7
are valuable to FT but yet all the posts from these threads arent
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=795409
Feb 28, 2008 | 6:05 pm
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Feb 28, 2008 | 6:58 pm
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Is there any possible way we can see who voted which way on this motion once this debate ends?
Voting transparency would be nice so we can be sure that the people who we elected because of certain stances voted the way we expected them to.
Voting transparency would be nice so we can be sure that the people who we elected because of certain stances voted the way we expected them to.
Feb 28, 2008 | 7:01 pm
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If you go to the Town Hall - Official TalkBoard Voting Decisions subforum http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=605
Talkboard displays the results of each motion, the vote and who voted each way.
Talkboard displays the results of each motion, the vote and who voted each way.