Here's what I don't get. Somehow attaining "Evangelist" status by typing "Kip Hawley is an idiot", "TSA sucks" and comparing any form of aviation security to the Nazis is considered a better contribution to FT than someone who can count to 100,000.

So if the rationale behind removing OMNI post counts is truly to keep people from reaching 10,000 posts from posting worthless things, why are the TS&S posts still counting?

Too bad you feel this way, but catch ya later. I'd be happy to discuss more if you want to come back. ^

Stop that. Right now. You are going to make me bust out laughing!

Disenfranchisement? Why not antidisestablishmentarianism? I can see it now; soon someone will propose we scrap post counts and adopt letter counts instead thereby making the bigger the word count higher and thus the debate much more sophisticated. I call it the Scrabble effect.

Thanks for hammering my point home. Thats what I've been trying to figure out this entire time

I cant speak for magiciansampras directly but I would be willing to bet that if all the forums got the same and equal treatment that OMNI did that we wouldnt be even having this debate...

Make it all retroactive but make sure its ALL non-mile/point forums otherwise we are no further down this road than we were previously

But if OMNI got the same and equal treatments that other forums did, OMNI would not be OMNI for very long....

To me, I am willing to give up post counts to have an OMNI that is looser and laxer than other forums.... a small price to pay indeed.

One can have same and equal treatment for post counts and unequal treatment for post substance. @:-)

^^^^^

If we started not counting, the "Kip Hawley is an idiot", "TSA sucks", the Birthday threads, the lounge threads, and the like wouldn't we be guilty of floccinaucinihilipilification for all of the posts in these threads other non-mile and point forums like what was done to OMNI?

While some people may see them as anoying and useless (there are times when I certainly do), I would submit that there is no real difference between them and OMNI. They all serve a useful purpose for the community as a whole. I may not appreciate some of their purposes, but they do serve a purpose and for that I submit they should all be treated the same.

I think all of the forums should be treated equally, with all respects including moderation. Right now there is the perception that all forums are equal, but some are more equal then others and I think this perception needs to be addressed before any long term solution can truely be found.

I've already PM'd my vote to the TB members so they know where I stand. Actually I posted it on this thread but my concern was that it got lost in all the crap going back/forth.

I'm not willing to get into the over & over debate on this thread - and last year's, & yes I DID read all 26 pages of last year's thread on a similar topic. Same ole, same ole quite frankly on those who are pro/against.

But for the record - I have no (fill in the blank ) envy of those who have Evangalist/Legand after their handles, and while I have the the big E (LOL) I truly don't give 2 cents. Take away the title & guess what - I still will have contributed to FT. I think I have contributed as much as I have learned, and I'm much more humble about what I've learned in terms of travel/miles/points & just truly hope to give back as much as I've gained.

I did NOT post to get a title. I did NOT post to get to a certain post count. MY worth is not determined by # of posts, much less posts in a certain forum That one still bogles my mind. And before anyone asks, I actually lost a lot of posts w/ Randy's new action so it's not a well it doesn't affect you.

Here's the good news (IMO) - the debate on THIS motion at least ends on Fri, so hopefully we won't have to deal w/ it much longer. Oh wait - that would be as naive as me thinking the airlines are going to put their customers first But maybe it will stop for a while. Hope springs eternal.

Cheers.

I am proud to say I seconded and voted for this motion in May 06 (which at that time failed) :

http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=563745

Moved by ScottC and seconded by ozstamps

Quote:

that posts made in the "Omni" forum of Flyertalk do not count towards ones visible post count. This will not be implemented retroactively, but will take place if the motion passes on any new posts made in "Omni".


Very pleased to see Randy has now decided to take this exact path. ^ ^ ^

There were figures given on the private TB forum at that time of some members having 10,000 plus posts, or nearly their entire post counts, in "Counting down from 10 Million" or "Mongolian Word Association" threads, or "Guess what Toothpaste Brand I'll use tomorrow" etc, etc.

Fun for some, but it adds nothing whatever to points and miles and travel knowledge, which is what FT was founded for, and is truly what it should do better than anyone else.

I am sure if FT added an on-line Sudoku portal, it would gain millions of posts too ... from folks who do may not have any clue about travel and miles and points - or interest in either.

The manic yells and screams and hollering from those here likely to be impacted can be still seen on the public thread from that time. @:-)

Anyone who wants to waste several hours a week adding to "Counting down from 10 Million" should be free to do so .... no issues at all with that, except they might consider asking for a "Get A Life" book for Christmas - IMHO.

Now those posts will not count, which is how it always should have been - IMHO.

IIRC at an earlier time Randy REMOVED all OMNI post counts from member tallies, so the current move seems more than fair, and could have been a lot worse, I'll remind those complaining about it.

No TB member voting for the current motion represents this member's POV, and I hope if by chance it succeeds, that Randy ignores it.

Can someone who is anti-post counting in OMNI please explain how the majority of what occurs in the TSA forum is any different than what occurs in OMNI?

I understand that people dont like OMNI and frankly I'm fine with that. What I dont get is how the TSA is acceptable to post-pad in and yet OMNI has what appears to be a witch hunt against it.

While I don't spend a lot of time in the Travel&Security forum (although I do check in periodically) I don't agree w/ your premise that those who post there are 'post-padding'. And for the record I'm not 'anti-Omni'. OVMV.

Cheers.

I think the member you need to PM about that is Randy Petersen.

My best guess is that the TSA forum relates directly to TRAVEL ON AIRPLANES. And OMNI does not.

But as always I could be wrong.

I post little on either Forum, but the TSA forum, despite a few folks huffing and puffing the same old stuff for years on end, ad nauseum does offer some useful travel advice I find.

In the past week I have endured airport security charades in Sydney, San Francisco, London, Paris, Frankfurt, and Casablanca Morocco, and trust me they are ALL the same these days, so those who assume it is USA specific need to get out more.

I think this thread is about the OMNI post counts unless I am mistaken.

Starting a new one re removing posts counts from TSA forum might be an idea if you are so minded?