Moved by kokonutz and seconded by Punki

"that the Talkboard recommend that Randy reconsider his decision to implement the policy of not counting posts in OMNI toward post totals and instead count OMNI posts in a poster's post count."

This poll will close on Feb 29, 08 at 5:10 am (EDT)

This motion shows that my two votes in the past TB election (other than the misguided one for myself) were votes well cast. Bravo, koko and Punki.

I urge two things:

1. That all members of the Talkboard vote against this.

2. In the unlikely and sorry event that this passes, that Randy continue to ignore it.

It does ask a larger question however--I'm curious why, knowing how Randy feels on the subject that koko and Punki decided to do this anyway? Anyone remember "A Few Good Men?"

I support Randy's non-counting of posts in OMNI, and personally wish, as proposed here that posts in any non-mile/point related forum not count.

I was still awaiting a new arument against this that was not made a year ago.

Further, I read the position of the FT Board (as stated before the election) and it looks like this is going no where.

What else that was turned down last year is the TB going to reinvent?

As I said in another post, sometimes, when you have nothing to do, it's OK to do nothing.

The sad reality is this mess, much like last year are centered around two threads, count up and down from 100K. Why doesn't the TB have the courage to admit that and focus instead on those two threads?

Randy made a decision. I really don't think he needs TB to ask him to change his mind. Perhaps if the motion had been to make an OMNI games forum where posts don't count and allow regular OMNI posts to count I could see a reason to ask him to consider this. Otherwise

I'd suggest you put a new motion on the table to create an OMNI Games Forum (my preference would be non-counting) to go along with this motion.

Will all the anti-TSA rants in the TS&S forum not count in the future?

I agree with the last post. Miles and Points forums should count. EVERYTHING else should not. Agree?

tom911, would this future feature that Randy mentions in the other thread not be a better way to deal with the WOT threads for those who do not wish to WT?

It would take them out of view, but they'd still count, correct?. I don't think we should give post counts to FTers that use their number counting abilities in a number counting thread to get thousands of posts. What contribution do you make to FT by posting a number 50 or more times a day?

That's the same point of view I held when TalkBoard voted on this in 2007.

I think TalkBoard might have a better shot at restoring OMNI posts counts if they moved the game threads over into a separate area and didn't count them. I'm all for counting posts where FTers type a couple paragraphs on a topic in OMNI, but the number counting threads are just there for pumping up post counts, from my point of view.

I value my post count from years of contributions on the travel side of FT. OMNI is not my home forum. I don't think we should recognize posters who build up the bulk of their posts playing games.

FWIW, IMHO the purpose of the TB is to be a poster-representative advisory board to Randy.

So in my view it is our responsibility to advise Randy.

The purpose of this motion is to advise Randy how we, the body elected to represent the posters, view the implementation that was made with regard to OMNI posts. If the motion passes, I hope that he'll take that into consideration and at least reconsider the implementation if not reverse it.

To me, that's what we were elected to do. Other TB members and posters may feel differently.

I've said plenty on this topic about why I think OMNI posts ought to be counted so I'll let others have their say.

As to an OMNI Games forum, I'd prefer to talk about why that might or might not be a good idea on another thread.

I agree with ClueByFour's 9/18/07 proposal. I applaud koko's leadership, however, the motion to revert back to post counts does not solve the problem (if there really is one), but even worse is the current situation where we have unhappy members and discrimination/ghettoization of OMNI while Lounge, Community, Suggestions, Newsstand, Birthdays, etc. are allowed to count. Randy's recent decision has or will likely cause extra work for Moderators as the post-padders simply scatter to those other forums.

I urge TalkBoard to reject this particular motion and bring Randy a solution that is fair to everyone.

Omni posts no longer count, WOT post or not.

I wouldn't mind having OMNI posts restored (that's what I should have said when I was talking about counting them--if your motion is agreed to by Randy all OMNI posts count), with the caveat that you create a separate OMNI Games forum where the [posts don't count. This is something that neither TalkBoard or Randy has considered before. I just think you have a better chance going to Randy with something like this versus a complete restoration of all OMNI posts (assuming he wants the advice of TalkBoard..from Koko's post it appears he has not asked for it).

So, perhaps it would be better to see how this vote goes before making a proposal for a games/WOT sub-forum in Omni?

Let's say this motion passes, and you go to Randy (who has not asked for input from TalkBoard...correct?), and he elects to not follow the TalkBoard vote. Do you really want to go back again with a revision adding on an OMNI Games Forum (non-counting) and see if he'll count posts in OMNI then?

I think it's best to go in with one single motion that's well thought out up front. As the current motion doesn't address games, I'd rather not see it go to a vote at all and have it withdrawn by the sponsors.