Discussion: TalkBoard motion pass/fail results reported in real-time? & related.
Feb 11, 2012, 12:31 pm
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IMHO, it wasn't before. But it is now.
Jenbel pointed out up-thread that it has actually been a problem at least once before.
Some issues are settled in a day or two. Continuing active debate on that matter for 12 or 13 more days just because one TB member is out of pocket or slow or whatever is counter-productive.
For example, it is possible that THIS issue has been settled for some time. Yet you just spent time debating it. Wouldn't you prefer to know whether you were wasting your time or not, the same way I know whether I am wasting my time or not writing this post?
Jenbel pointed out up-thread that it has actually been a problem at least once before.
Some issues are settled in a day or two. Continuing active debate on that matter for 12 or 13 more days just because one TB member is out of pocket or slow or whatever is counter-productive.
For example, it is possible that THIS issue has been settled for some time. Yet you just spent time debating it. Wouldn't you prefer to know whether you were wasting your time or not, the same way I know whether I am wasting my time or not writing this post?
Feb 11, 2012, 7:34 pm
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For example, it is possible that THIS issue has been settled for some time. Yet you just spent time debating it. Wouldn't you prefer to know whether you were wasting your time or not, the same way I know whether I am wasting my time or not writing this post?
Feb 11, 2012, 9:01 pm
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Feb 11, 2012, 9:44 pm
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Feb 12, 2012, 12:27 am
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This would seem to be another problem that would need to be resolved. If a TB member drops out, the current protocol is to resign, but failing that, the process adopted needs to be enacted.
Feb 12, 2012, 5:49 am
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So this proposal already does help address a TB member who just "drops out".
Feb 12, 2012, 11:55 am
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But it they don't tell anyone they are "dropping out" how is the TB or anyone else supposed to know? Today, the mechanism in place is when they miss 3 consecutive votes. And when you add in this measure to report pass/fail results in real-time, then those three "missed" votes won't cause the same type of delays.
So this proposal already does help address a TB member who just "drops out".
So this proposal already does help address a TB member who just "drops out".
I think the mechanism in place 3 strikes you're out is a good measure.. This motion passing TB decisions when majority is reached seems to be a nobrainer.
Feb 12, 2012, 12:16 pm
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Based on the current proposal being voted on, the only change is that when the needed votes to pass or fail a measure are met, the FT general membership will be notified. So no one outside the TB itself or FT management would know who voted or when until after the full two weeks are up. After the two weeks, the TB VP will notify the general membership of who voted and how.
But the general FT membership will NOT know when each TB member voted unless that TB member tells us. Which is exactly as things are today.
But the general FT membership will NOT know when each TB member voted unless that TB member tells us. Which is exactly as things are today.
Feb 12, 2012, 12:46 pm
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Indeed. From what I gather from posts made on this and other threads one TB member has been throwing a temper tantrum for the past month and taking out his (or her) anger by punishing the general membership and keeping us waiting until the last minute to learn if a motion has passed or failed.
Clearly, TB consists of 8 adults and one spoiled little child (the exact kind you hate to find sitting near you on a long flight).
Clearly, TB consists of 8 adults and one spoiled little child (the exact kind you hate to find sitting near you on a long flight).
Feb 12, 2012, 5:37 pm
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Indeed. From what I gather from posts made on this and other threads one TB member has been throwing a temper tantrum for the past month and taking out his (or her) anger by punishing the general membership and keeping us waiting until the last minute to learn if a motion has passed or failed.
Clearly, TB consists of 8 adults and one spoiled little child (the exact kind you hate to find sitting near you on a long flight).
Clearly, TB consists of 8 adults and one spoiled little child (the exact kind you hate to find sitting near you on a long flight).
I was pretty much thinking the same thing!
Feb 12, 2012, 10:35 pm
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Based on the current proposal being voted on, the only change is that when the needed votes to pass or fail a measure are met, the FT general membership will be notified. So no one outside the TB itself or FT management would know who voted or when until after the full two weeks are up. After the two weeks, the TB VP will notify the general membership of who voted and how.
But the general FT membership will NOT know when each TB member voted unless that TB member tells us. Which is exactly as things are today.
But the general FT membership will NOT know when each TB member voted unless that TB member tells us. Which is exactly as things are today.
Sounds moot releasing the information after, unless TB members are still able to vote after the verdict of a motion is disclosed.
Feb 13, 2012, 7:45 am
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And given that motions are re-voted on at later dates (just look at the various counting post motions over the last few years), compiling every TB members vote is still valuable information. And also come TB election time, people may want to know how specific TB members voted. As how a TB member votes on various motions could effect who votes for whom during an election.
So even if the decision of this motion has been decided, we still want to have every TB members votes counted for every motion.
Feb 13, 2012, 8:29 am
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Indeed. From what I gather from posts made on this and other threads one TB member has been throwing a temper tantrum for the past month and taking out his (or her) anger by punishing the general membership and keeping us waiting until the last minute to learn if a motion has passed or failed.
Clearly, TB consists of 8 adults and one spoiled little child (the exact kind you hate to find sitting near you on a long flight).
Clearly, TB consists of 8 adults and one spoiled little child (the exact kind you hate to find sitting near you on a long flight).
Feb 13, 2012, 3:42 pm
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Don't you often wonder about cute but comfortable shoes for travel?
Back on topic, however... Many of those who want to engage in discussion about a particular topic I suspect will do so regardless of the current 'real time' situation, just as some continue to discuss topics after votes have ended. Just because a trip ends doesn't mean we don't discuss it after the fact, for instance.
I tend to agree with hhoope01 as well about the potential future impact of such discussion.
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Feb 13, 2012, 11:06 pm
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The TB members will have the same two weeks to vote that they have today. The only material change is that the general FT membership will know in "real-time" when there are enough votes to pass/fail the measure.
And given that motions are re-voted on at later dates (just look at the various counting post motions over the last few years), compiling every TB members vote is still valuable information. And also come TB election time, people may want to know how specific TB members voted. As how a TB member votes on various motions could effect who votes for whom during an election.
So even if the decision of this motion has been decided, we still want to have every TB members votes counted for every motion.
And given that motions are re-voted on at later dates (just look at the various counting post motions over the last few years), compiling every TB members vote is still valuable information. And also come TB election time, people may want to know how specific TB members voted. As how a TB member votes on various motions could effect who votes for whom during an election.
So even if the decision of this motion has been decided, we still want to have every TB members votes counted for every motion.