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dchristiva Jan 11, 2012 2:47 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster (Post 17795063)
I am certain that I have a lot of Omni posts in my count. I am also certain that most of my Omni posts are not in my count. So what?

Should I be thrilled by the former and devastated by the latter?

Of course not. I haven't argued from that point. Clearly post counts have been treated inconsistently. Hence, I don't think we should be counting posts. They are meaningless at this point.

dchristiva Jan 11, 2012 2:48 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 17795037)
The meaning of post counts should be headed to be what it was before, a count of all posts made on FT.

I agree, except that can never happen.

dchristiva Jan 11, 2012 2:49 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17794957)
BTW, I was just doing some looking around, and was reminded that there would be no inconsistency at all if the majority of the TB and/or Randy had just listened to me back in February of 2008 when I was trying to get Randy to reverse his imho ill-advised unilateral decision:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...st-counts.html

:)

That would have been nice.

N830MH Jan 11, 2012 4:20 pm


Originally Posted by DeaconFlyer (Post 17793100)
I know that my posts count just as much as yours, and I don't feel discriminated against.

Right. I am never have any trouble all of my life and I am never being arrested before. I am not a criminal at all. I am stay out of trouble.

matthandy Jan 11, 2012 4:38 pm


Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 17795731)
Right. I am never have any trouble all of my life and I am never being arrested before. I am not a criminal at all. I am stay out of trouble.

Not really sure what you mean by that.

I think that it's dangerous to say that members are being discriminated against because they post in OMNI. They are not. All members are treated the same in this respect. It is a member's posts that do not count in OMNI, and that rule is the same for everyone (barring those that don't have access to OMNI of course, but again, the rules are applied equally across the community). It's a somewhat outrageous to mention to South Africa too, talk about over inflating an issue! :td:

Members are clearly upset about the fact that when they post in OMNI their posts do not count, but if they make 'similar' posts in other forums, they do count, I understand the issue of inconsistency and I think it is wrong. But it is not about discrimination against individuals at all, unless someone can find some evidence that says 'if you post in OMNI you will be treated this way'. If anything, it's about discrimination against forums ;)

dayone Jan 11, 2012 4:50 pm

No policy change is needed. The status quo has served us well.

kokonutz Jan 11, 2012 5:38 pm


Originally Posted by matthandy (Post 17795854)
Not really sure what you mean by that.

I think that it's dangerous to say that members are being discriminated against because they post in OMNI. They are not. All members are treated the same in this respect. It is a member's posts that do not count in OMNI, and that rule is the same for everyone (barring those that don't have access to OMNI of course, but again, the rules are applied equally across the community). It's a somewhat outrageous to mention to South Africa too, talk about over inflating an issue! :td:

Members are clearly upset about the fact that when they post in OMNI their posts do not count, but if they make 'similar' posts in other forums, they do count, I understand the issue of inconsistency and I think it is wrong. But it is not about discrimination against individuals at all, unless someone can find some evidence that says 'if you post in OMNI you will be treated this way'. If anything, it's about discrimination against forums ;)

A FTer told me he was denied the opportunity to become a moderator because the moderators in charge of selecting moderators told him he posted in OMNI too much...

tom911 Jan 11, 2012 6:46 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17796135)
A FTer told me he was denied the opportunity to become a moderator because the moderators in charge of selecting moderators told him he posted in OMNI too much...

So, what percent of his posts were in OMNI? How much is "too much"? If the poster is there 99% of the time, why would he want to moderate an airline or hotel forum?

cordelli Jan 11, 2012 7:06 pm

A few seconds ago at the bottom of the forums thread it said

Threads: 1,179,369,
Posts: 17,524,428,
Members: 377,972

Three hundred seventy seven thousand nine hundred and seventy two members.

About 50 (fifty) have expressed an opinion in this thread.

How could anybody possibly think it really matters to anybody if they count or not?

SanDiego1K Jan 11, 2012 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17796135)
A FTer told me he was denied the opportunity to become a moderator because the moderators in charge of selecting moderators told him he posted in OMNI too much...

I have been deeply engaged in selection of moderators for several years and now have ultimate responsibility. I look at whether they are active in the forum where a moderator is needed. Are they helpful and knowledgeable. Are they already modeling the leadership behavior we'd like in that forum. It has never occurred to me to look at their Omni participation.

SkiAdcock Jan 11, 2012 7:27 pm


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 17796616)
A few seconds ago at the bottom of the forums thread it said

Threads: 1,179,369,
Posts: 17,524,428,
Members: 377,972

Three hundred seventy seven thousand nine hundred and seventy two members.

About 50 (fifty) have expressed an opinion in this thread.

How could anybody possibly think it really matters to anybody if they count or not?

Where do you get that info (in any forum, btw). Just curious. I've never seen it. But I'm not up on stats.

On a dif note - that could be said of ANYTHING FT related. We've got several hundred thousand members, but overall there's a small minority of those several hundred thousand members that post in ANY forum.

So I'm not sure that I'd use that as a criteria re: interest or mattering (is that a word?).

And given there have been several threads over the last few years w/ different amount of posters re: the topic, and those that do take the time to post feel strongly pro/con, & our job as TB members is to consider what is asked of us by FTers, I'm not sure saying they don't matter is the way to go.

Especially since there have been forums created that have subsequently flourished that wouldn't have been considered if a few FTers hadn't posted.

Cheers.

MatthewLAX Jan 11, 2012 7:43 pm

Glad to see this motion come up again. I supported TalkBoard candidates specifically based on their stance on OMNI post counts and hope we can soon end A-Post-Heid

RichMSN Jan 11, 2012 8:30 pm


Originally Posted by SanDiego1K (Post 17796705)
I have been deeply engaged in selection of moderators for several years and now have ultimate responsibility. I look at whether they are active in the forum where a moderator is needed. Are they helpful and knowledgeable. Are they already modeling the leadership behavior we'd like in that forum. It has never occurred to me to look at their Omni participation.

Carol,

I am one of the people being referenced here. So is another person currently serving as an ambassador. I applied to moderate on of the forums I frequented at the time and was ignored for months. When I followed up twice after, Randy told me a senior moderator expressed concerns that I "posted in OMNI too much.". I wish I kept my PMs, I would share with you.

This, however, led me to run for TB, so maybe it's not all bad. But I still feel I was excluded for no good reason.

cordelli Jan 11, 2012 9:08 pm


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 17796729)
Where do you get that info (in any forum, btw). Just curious. I've never seen it. But I'm not up on stats.

It's at the bottom of the page that lists all the forums


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 17796729)

So I'm not sure that I'd use that as a criteria re: interest or mattering (is that a word?).

mattering present participle of mat·ter (Verb)
Verb:
Be of importance; have significance: "what did it matter to them?".
(of a person) Be important or influential.

SanDiego1K Jan 11, 2012 10:03 pm


Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 17797072)
Carol,

I am one of the people being referenced here.

Rich, I take you at your word. I think the important point is that I, personally, have absolutely no negative feeling about members posting in Omni. I am oblivious to the portion of a member's posts in Omni when searching for a new mod or a new ambassador or a volunteer in any other role. Omni is a great place for members to come together to have a range of conversations on any (civil) topic of their choice.


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