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dchristiva Jan 11, 2012 12:03 pm


Originally Posted by DeaconFlyer (Post 17793517)
I refuse to agree that posters are currently treated differently, because they are not.

Some posts are current treated differently, but all posters are currently treated the same.

I can't disagree.

But that doesn't change the overall fact that post counts have been corrupted and, in my view, are meaningless.

dchristiva Jan 11, 2012 12:06 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17793688)
I understand that position. But FTers like to count things like miles and points...and posts, and we like to run up our numbers. That's pretty much the core point of FT. :)

That being the case, I don't think the post count needs to be eliminated. And if folks want to run it up for sport, God bless 'em. As I've said, I tend to view anyone with 500-20,000 posts pretty much equally. And I tend to feel sorry for folks with > 20,000 posts as I worry that they have no life. ;)

And I understand that position. Except that, if your FF balance was wrong because it didn't capture all of your travel for a certain period, you'd be mad as a hornet and you wouldn't accept that kind of inconsistency.

DeaconFlyer Jan 11, 2012 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by dchristiva (Post 17793826)
I can't disagree.

But that doesn't change the overall fact that post counts have been corrupted and, in my view, are meaningless.

I totally agree. The only time posts really count to me are when someone is below about 25.

kokonutz Jan 11, 2012 12:52 pm


Originally Posted by CMK10 (Post 17793791)
You know what breaks my little e-heart? I talked in my campaign about how I loved Flyertalk because it was a COMMUNITY. And now we've gone on for TWENTY TWO PAGES of back and forth bickering with no ground given by either side. No one has an open mind, we're resorting to snark, name calling, vitriol. Also, we're sitting here in this thread and going back and forth instead of contributing to the threads that are substantive (in OMNI and elsewhere). I guess I'm no better but I'm still saddened by it.

I feel like there has been a good debate. And further we have seen some movement toward a 'compromise' of having OMNI count but potentially creating a OMNI games sub-forum. That's a positive outcome of this collaborative debate, imho.


Originally Posted by dchristiva (Post 17793853)
And I understand that position. Except that, if your FF balance was wrong because it didn't capture all of your travel for a certain period, you'd be mad as a hornet and you wouldn't accept that kind of inconsistency.

Oh yes I would.

Unfortunately, that's what happens when poorly-thought-out decisions are unilaterally made as, imho, is what happened when Randy decided to stop counting OMNI posts. So we are stuck with making the best out of what we've got. And we are further limited by the software FT is on.

So all we can do is the best we can under the circumstances, and be more thoughtful in the future.

dchristiva Jan 11, 2012 12:59 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17794238)
I feel like there has been a good debate. And further we have seen some movement toward a 'compromise' of having OMNI count but potentially creating a OMNI games sub-forum. That's a positive outcome of this collaborative debate, imho.

Oh yes I would.

Unfortunately, that's what happens when poorly-thought-out decisions are unilaterally made as, imho, is what happened when Randy decided to stop counting OMNI posts. So we are stuck with making the best out of what we've got. And we are further limited by the software FT is on.

So all we can do is the best we can under the circumstances, and be more thoughtful in the future.

I'm sorry to read this.

Canarsie Jan 11, 2012 1:11 pm


Originally Posted by dchristiva (Post 17793853)
And I understand that position. Except that, if your FF balance was wrong because it didn't capture all of your travel for a certain period, you'd be mad as a hornet and you wouldn't accept that kind of inconsistency.


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17794238)
I feel like there has been a good debate. And further we have seen some movement toward a 'compromise' of having OMNI count but potentially creating a OMNI games sub-forum. That's a positive outcome of this collaborative debate, imho.

Oh yes I would.

Unfortunately, that's what happens when poorly-thought-out decisions are unilaterally made as, imho, is what happened when Randy decided to stop counting OMNI posts. So we are stuck with making the best out of what we've got. And we are further limited by the software FT is on.

So all we can do is the best we can under the circumstances, and be more thoughtful in the future.


Originally Posted by dchristiva (Post 17794291)
I'm sorry to read this.

I read the...

Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17794238)
Oh yes I would.

...as a response to...

Originally Posted by dchristiva (Post 17793853)
you'd be mad as a hornet

..and not as a response to...

Originally Posted by dchristiva (Post 17793853)
you wouldn't accept that kind of inconsistency.

...at least, that was my interpretation.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Steph3n Jan 11, 2012 1:13 pm


Originally Posted by Mary2e (Post 17791750)
Some even have legend status because of the counting games in Omni - and they stated that was their goal. (the person is not posting in this thread)

If a title is that important to them, why don't we resolve this all by blanking out titles and people that have a premium account can make their own title as long as non obscene?

I just don't get all the hoopla over 'posts' and 'evangelist' 'legend' etc, such a waste of time.

We really want to make FT into the post-a-thon board here? Really?

kokonutz Jan 11, 2012 1:24 pm


Originally Posted by Canarsie (Post 17794389)
I read the......as a response to.....and not as a response to......at least, that was my interpretation.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

lol: what I meant is that I would be mad as a hornet and would not accept it if my FF balance was wrong because it didn't capture all of my travel for a certain period,.

And I don't like it in this case.

But the inconsistency Randy created can't be fixed due to software limitations.

All we can do is do the right thing going forward.

dchristiva Jan 11, 2012 2:11 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17794485)
lol: what I meant is that I would be mad as a hornet and would not accept it if my FF balance was wrong because it didn't capture all of my travel for a certain period,.

And I don't like it in this case.

But the inconsistency Randy created can't be fixed due to software limitations.

All we can do is do the right thing going forward.

OK. Thanks for clarifying. Sorry I misunderstood! :)

GUWonder Jan 11, 2012 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by Mary2e (Post 17792447)
I believe GUWonder is talking about something entirely different, something that I will not mention here about posters having different treatment. It's hinted at in the previous threads. It is not part of this discussion.

That belief about me is not it at all. Rather it is far more akin to what you posted earlier.

kokonutz Jan 11, 2012 2:29 pm


Originally Posted by dchristiva (Post 17794827)
OK. Thanks for clarifying. Sorry I misunderstood! :)

No worries!

BTW, I was just doing some looking around, and was reminded that there would be no inconsistency at all if the majority of the TB and/or Randy had just listened to me back in February of 2008 when I was trying to get Randy to reverse his imho ill-advised unilateral decision:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...st-counts.html

:)

travelkid Jan 11, 2012 2:30 pm


Originally Posted by CMK10 (Post 17793791)
You know what breaks my little e-heart? I talked in my campaign about how I loved Flyertalk because it was a COMMUNITY. And now we've gone on for TWENTY TWO PAGES of back and forth bickering with no ground given by either side. No one has an open mind, we're resorting to snark, name calling, vitriol. Also, we're sitting here in this thread and going back and forth instead of contributing to the threads that are substantive (in OMNI and elsewhere). I guess I'm no better but I'm still saddened by it.

My bolding.

With all due respect, I have tried to both be creative and compromise;

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17788547-post276.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17781312-post173.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17780696-post170.html

Most posters unfortunately seems to be black and white, NOT willing to discuss any of this:td:


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17794485)
But the inconsistency Randy created can't be fixed due to software limitations.

All we can do is do the right thing going forward.

Problem is that one wrong cant be fixed with another wrong. The inconsistencies with historical posts counted or not cant be reversed, and we will keep this discrepancy between members going forward. The reason behind post count is scarcely discussed. If we want the number to have any meaning, we need to establish this meaning first- and if there is one, then discuss how can this be best reflected.

GUWonder Jan 11, 2012 2:34 pm


Originally Posted by dchristiva (Post 17793853)
And I understand that position. Except that, if your FF balance was wrong because it didn't capture all of your travel for a certain period, you'd be mad as a hornet and you wouldn't accept that kind of inconsistency.

Well, given most of my flights were never credited to a frequent flyer program despite having the chance to do so prior to 1998, I can't say that it would get me mad. I would still understand that others may be mad if in much the same circumstances.

GUWonder Jan 11, 2012 2:38 pm

The meaning of post counts should be headed to be what it was before, a count of all posts made on FT.


Originally Posted by dchristiva (Post 17793853)
And I understand that position. Except that, if your FF balance was wrong because it didn't capture all of your travel for a certain period, you'd be mad as a hornet and you wouldn't accept that kind of inconsistency.

Well, given most of my flights were never credited to a frequent flyer program despite having the chance to do so prior to 1998, I can't say that it would get me mad. I would still understand that others may be mad if in much the same circumstances.

Dovster Jan 11, 2012 2:41 pm


Originally Posted by Mary2e (Post 17792428)
I can go to a lounge thread and post "good morning" and it has a value of +1 to this community.

I can go into Omni and post "good morning" and it has no value a value of 0.

That is the inconsistency we're talking about.

That does not mean that posters are being treated differently. One of us can go to Wal-Mart and spend $3 for a tube of toothpaste and the other can go to 7-11 and pay $5 for the exact same tube.

We made the choice of where to go and we both would be treated exactly the same by each store.


Originally Posted by dchristiva (Post 17793491)
Sure they are. If I joined prior to the date when OMNI posts stopped counting and you joined after that date, yet we have an equal number of non-OMNI posts, my post count will be higher than yours by the number of OMNI posts that I made before they stopped counting.

I am certain that I have a lot of Omni posts in my count. I am also certain that most of my Omni posts are not in my count. So what?

Should I be thrilled by the former and devastated by the latter?


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