Motion Passed - Posts Count in All FT Forums
Jan 9, 2012 | 7:37 pm
#181
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This in no way is directed specifically at you... but you've hit the problem right on the head... Omni-ites. It's a hold over from Randy's belief there shouldn't be an off-topic area, and it was he who created this second class citizen status.
While I will agree some people live there, perhaps it's because they no longer travel, or don't have anything or much to add to a M&P forum. I can say that it is what happened to me. Technology made it easier to do my job from where I am versus going to a location. Does that mean I no longer should be able to shoot the breeze with some long time friends? Do I not have anything valuable to add to a M&P forum? I still contribute where ever and when ever I can, sometimes in Omni, sometimes in a M&P forum. But I keep coming back for the community aspect of this forum.
This is about consistency of treatment of off-topic posts. Some, because they are in a M&P forum, or one that counts, such as community (the contest threads) are valued by this community, while some have no value to the community.
So far I haven't seen anyone who opposes treating all posts equally address the consistency issue at all, except to say don't count any post (which I would favor).
While I will agree some people live there, perhaps it's because they no longer travel, or don't have anything or much to add to a M&P forum. I can say that it is what happened to me. Technology made it easier to do my job from where I am versus going to a location. Does that mean I no longer should be able to shoot the breeze with some long time friends? Do I not have anything valuable to add to a M&P forum? I still contribute where ever and when ever I can, sometimes in Omni, sometimes in a M&P forum. But I keep coming back for the community aspect of this forum.
This is about consistency of treatment of off-topic posts. Some, because they are in a M&P forum, or one that counts, such as community (the contest threads) are valued by this community, while some have no value to the community.
So far I haven't seen anyone who opposes treating all posts equally address the consistency issue at all, except to say don't count any post (which I would favor).
Jan 9, 2012 | 7:40 pm
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And for the record: I oppose the counting of non-travel related posts (including lounge posts).
Regardless of the outcome of this vote, I would support removing post counts from the sidebar, just so we can stop having this ridiculous and meaningless argument every 6 months.
Regardless of the outcome of this vote, I would support removing post counts from the sidebar, just so we can stop having this ridiculous and meaningless argument every 6 months.
Jan 9, 2012 | 7:46 pm
#183
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Ok - so I've attempted to tally up the opinions as best I could based on who has posted in this thread - correct me if I'm wrong (but note that I should be packing as I'm heading to DC to fly to IST tomorrow & will have VERY limited access through the 17th).
Majority that have expressed what I believe to be a clear opinion at this time are against this motion. Feel free to clarify and correct me...apologies in advance if I've spelled your handle wrong.
YES - 13 MEMBERS
Mary2e
wharvey
Chillinthemost
thelark
ewrfox
Skyman65
kipper
RKG
ItsHip2B^2
Jinxy
SirFlysALot
anonplz
GUWonder
NO - 19 MEMBERS
Jenbel
dchristva
delta747
as219
canolakid
lo2e
CPRich
tcook052
travelkid
CMK10
OverThereTooMuch
origin
Eastbay1k
BadTime
alesir
HansGolden
painintheuk
Ritz
javabytes
DON'T CARE - 8 MEMBERS
LIH prem
Cordelli
Kagehitokiri
janetdoe
84fiero
JerryFF
hhoope01
MissJoeyDFW
NO POSTS AT ALL (OR HIDE ALL POSTS) - 6 MEMBERS
flyinbob
eightblack
Markie
DenverBrian
Steph3n
seanthepilot
POSTED IN THREAD, BUT NO CLEAR OPINION STATED (at least not crystal clear to me, IMHO) - 14 MEMBERS
Prospero
Canarsie
lin821
tom911
nerd
N830MH
notsosmart
aztimm
corruptcanadian
Analise
PhoenixRev
matthandy
oliver2002
njx9
Majority that have expressed what I believe to be a clear opinion at this time are against this motion. Feel free to clarify and correct me...apologies in advance if I've spelled your handle wrong.
YES - 13 MEMBERS
Mary2e
wharvey
Chillinthemost
thelark
ewrfox
Skyman65
kipper
RKG
ItsHip2B^2
Jinxy
SirFlysALot
anonplz
GUWonder
NO - 19 MEMBERS
Jenbel
dchristva
delta747
as219
canolakid
lo2e
CPRich
tcook052
travelkid
CMK10
OverThereTooMuch
origin
Eastbay1k
BadTime
alesir
HansGolden
painintheuk
Ritz
javabytes
DON'T CARE - 8 MEMBERS
LIH prem
Cordelli
Kagehitokiri
janetdoe
84fiero
JerryFF
hhoope01
MissJoeyDFW
NO POSTS AT ALL (OR HIDE ALL POSTS) - 6 MEMBERS
flyinbob
eightblack
Markie
DenverBrian
Steph3n
seanthepilot
POSTED IN THREAD, BUT NO CLEAR OPINION STATED (at least not crystal clear to me, IMHO) - 14 MEMBERS
Prospero
Canarsie
lin821
tom911
nerd
N830MH
notsosmart
aztimm
corruptcanadian
Analise
PhoenixRev
matthandy
oliver2002
njx9
Why did you not count the Talkboard members posting in this thread? A quick look by me shows ~ 5 TB members are probably for and 1 against. Since they are members, first and foremost, they should have been counted. That would bring your for and against numbers much closer - perhaps 18 for and 20 against.
An accidental omission?
RKG
Jan 9, 2012 | 7:56 pm
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I strongly suspect that bhatnasx was attempting to summarise the view of ordinary, non-voting members. Including the TB members would skew this.
Jan 9, 2012 | 8:12 pm
#185
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And FWIW, matthandy, in regards to your comment on my voting against this motion before the discussion had fully taken place - a very similar discussion had taken place the last time the TalkBoard voted on this and I voted the same way I had voted on the prior vote on this matter.
Jan 9, 2012 | 8:24 pm
#186
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it doesn't. If they were removed I wouldn't care. However, as it stands now it's only certain off topic posts that are acceptable, not all of them. It all about consistency.
Jan 9, 2012 | 8:26 pm
#187
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I can't wait to see the increase in "FT Posting Legends" due to number counting threads. Imagine the whole front page of OMNI full of those types of threads again. I can't begin to express my excitement for all the "contributions" being recognized from these types of posts.
Will you be spinning off a non-post counting OMNI Games forum as has been suggested before?
Will you be spinning off a non-post counting OMNI Games forum as has been suggested before?
Jan 9, 2012 | 8:32 pm
#188
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Tom, I agree with you, and if the motion passes, I was going to directly speak with the mods of Omni and the CD to ask that counting games be considered post padding and they no longer be permitted. I would go go far as to dig up the old ones and ask they be deleted to try to bring some of those padders back to a normal post count.
The TB can't decide what is appropriate for a forum after its been created, which is why I think there is no mention of the games.
The TB can't decide what is appropriate for a forum after its been created, which is why I think there is no mention of the games.
Jan 9, 2012 | 8:35 pm
#189
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That's exactly the kind of stuff that Talk Board needs to discuss with the membership before they rush to put a motion out for a vote. I still don't see why the rush to vote versus spending some time discussing the issues with the membership and then crafting a motion that works for everyone. The motion could very easily have addressed OMNI Games.
Jan 9, 2012 | 8:40 pm
#190
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Jan 9, 2012 | 8:44 pm
#192
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That's exactly the kind of stuff that Talk Board needs to discuss with the membership before they rush to put a motion out for a vote. I still don't see why the rush to vote versus spending some time discussing the issues with the membership and then crafting a motion that works for everyone. The motion could very easily have addressed OMNI Games.
Jan 9, 2012 | 8:44 pm
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I would support a motion that allowed posts in OMNI to count as long as post padding was banned (in all forums I might add). nerd asked a very good question that hasn't been answered:
"Again, why are "OMNI games" even an issue, given that post-padding is against the FlyerTalk TOS?"
Jan 9, 2012 | 8:51 pm
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Were ordinary members allowed to post on those threads? I thought that they were for TB candidates only. If that is the case, then it can't really be called a discussion, since it was one sided. If members were allowed to post then I stand corrected.