Motion Passed - Posts Count in All FT Forums
Jan 7, 2012 | 6:14 am
#106
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Since I supported this the last time & had posted in the private forum in Dec that I was going to do the motion after the new year (RichMSN beat me to it by a few hours), it's not surprising that I support this this time as well.
I posted this in the private forum when we were discussing it in December.
Those who are supportive of Omni posts counting:
Some of the problems folk have w/ Omni posts not counting is the 'stepchild' aspect, and their feeling that Omni is indeed a community and often a place to get valuable info from other FTers, whether travel-related or not. It rankles them that their posts don't count yet posts in the 'lounge threads' do.
Some feel the lounge threads don't offer value because a post could be as simple as a good morning & people are able to rack up post counts that way, thus getting titles and Omni/CC access. Some such as jackal and canarsie feel lounge threads (at least theirs) do offer a community.
Those not supportive of Omni posts counting:
Those who don't want posts to count feel that Omni isn't part of the core of FT and thus shouldn't count. There is also a big concern that people who post in the games threads aren't really contributing, but well - playing games - and if Omni posts counted, people could rack up a high post count & get to evangalist or legend status.
There is the perception, right or wrong, that people with titles know more, and thus newbies would be influenced by their posts.
Other stuff:
We know from IB that lounge threads cannot be made to not count because they are located within a post-counting forum. Sub-forums can be made to count or not count within a post-counting forum, but individual threads cannot.
Some of the FTers who are not happy that lounge posts count yet Omni posts don't do understand the concern about people being able to rack up a lot of posts/titles via the games threads.
I was supportive of posts counting in Omni before & I still am. I do believe it's a community, and I've gained a lot of good information there, whether it be furnace, travel, Kindle, insurance, cooking, etc, from my fellow FTers who I've come to know/trust. Note I rarely spend time in Omni PR, but my guess is most of the people in there kind of know each other.
In December I had suggested possibly spinning the games threads into a sub-forum and making it a non-counting forum, as I thought that would satisfy concerns on both sides. I also asked cholula about that vs just making all posts count.
I think we & a couple of others could have gone either way on it, but ultimately decided that all posts counting (at least for me) was fine given part of what cholula & kokonutz stated above in this thread (ie, barn door open, not much dif btwn 27,000 & 36,000 posts & games threads have been about the same whether posts counted or not), but primarily cholula, especially since he's moderator of the forum and would know of any possible difficulties.
On a dif note. I'm going to ask IB-Dick about whether the software allows for an individual thread to be put on the ignore list. My guess (and it's only that) is that it's not possible, but I'll check and report back.
Cheers.
I posted this in the private forum when we were discussing it in December.
Those who are supportive of Omni posts counting:
Some of the problems folk have w/ Omni posts not counting is the 'stepchild' aspect, and their feeling that Omni is indeed a community and often a place to get valuable info from other FTers, whether travel-related or not. It rankles them that their posts don't count yet posts in the 'lounge threads' do.
Some feel the lounge threads don't offer value because a post could be as simple as a good morning & people are able to rack up post counts that way, thus getting titles and Omni/CC access. Some such as jackal and canarsie feel lounge threads (at least theirs) do offer a community.
Those not supportive of Omni posts counting:
Those who don't want posts to count feel that Omni isn't part of the core of FT and thus shouldn't count. There is also a big concern that people who post in the games threads aren't really contributing, but well - playing games - and if Omni posts counted, people could rack up a high post count & get to evangalist or legend status.
There is the perception, right or wrong, that people with titles know more, and thus newbies would be influenced by their posts.
Other stuff:
We know from IB that lounge threads cannot be made to not count because they are located within a post-counting forum. Sub-forums can be made to count or not count within a post-counting forum, but individual threads cannot.
Some of the FTers who are not happy that lounge posts count yet Omni posts don't do understand the concern about people being able to rack up a lot of posts/titles via the games threads.
I was supportive of posts counting in Omni before & I still am. I do believe it's a community, and I've gained a lot of good information there, whether it be furnace, travel, Kindle, insurance, cooking, etc, from my fellow FTers who I've come to know/trust. Note I rarely spend time in Omni PR, but my guess is most of the people in there kind of know each other.
In December I had suggested possibly spinning the games threads into a sub-forum and making it a non-counting forum, as I thought that would satisfy concerns on both sides. I also asked cholula about that vs just making all posts count.
I think we & a couple of others could have gone either way on it, but ultimately decided that all posts counting (at least for me) was fine given part of what cholula & kokonutz stated above in this thread (ie, barn door open, not much dif btwn 27,000 & 36,000 posts & games threads have been about the same whether posts counted or not), but primarily cholula, especially since he's moderator of the forum and would know of any possible difficulties.
On a dif note. I'm going to ask IB-Dick about whether the software allows for an individual thread to be put on the ignore list. My guess (and it's only that) is that it's not possible, but I'll check and report back.
Cheers.
At the very least, we should consider carefully any impact this motion if passed will have on the affected fora. Jenbel raised concerns this proposal will introduce detrimental effects to OMNI. What are your thoughts on those?
Personally, I would prefer that TB focused less on post counts and concentrated more on how the FlyerTalk experience can be improved for all and work together to enable initiatives that introduce valuable and lasting improvements to FlyerTalk.
Jan 7, 2012 | 7:17 am
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Has anything new arisen since this motion was voted upon last year? Nobody has raised any material changes to FT that advance this motion beyond what was covered last year.
At the very least, we should consider carefully any impact this motion if passed will have on the affected fora. Jenbel raised concerns this proposal will introduce detrimental effects to OMNI. What are your thoughts on those?
Personally, I would prefer that TB focused less on post counts and concentrated more on how the FlyerTalk experience can be improved for all and work together to enable initiatives that introduce valuable and lasting improvements to FlyerTalk.
At the very least, we should consider carefully any impact this motion if passed will have on the affected fora. Jenbel raised concerns this proposal will introduce detrimental effects to OMNI. What are your thoughts on those?
Personally, I would prefer that TB focused less on post counts and concentrated more on how the FlyerTalk experience can be improved for all and work together to enable initiatives that introduce valuable and lasting improvements to FlyerTalk.
I'm happy to focus on other things right now. I've already voted on this proposal, after all.
Jan 7, 2012 | 7:39 am
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AFAIK, "one-letter" posts are not possible. If I remember right, the system will reject posts containing < 5 characters. Of course, if you are quoting someone, you can just add one letter in response, and it will be accepted.
Jan 7, 2012 | 8:02 am
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Jan 7, 2012 | 8:31 am
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dont recall omni/cc requirements
cc would have to require more posts for omni posts to factor in
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the 5 character post threads are a substantial factor in the "not count" argument
not allowing those threads removes factor from ongoing discussion
there is also the factor of when those threads counted ("consistency")
deleting those threads would reduce the count for people who got 20K posts from them
cc would have to require more posts for omni posts to factor in
...
the 5 character post threads are a substantial factor in the "not count" argument
not allowing those threads removes factor from ongoing discussion
there is also the factor of when those threads counted ("consistency")
deleting those threads would reduce the count for people who got 20K posts from them
Jan 7, 2012 | 8:37 am
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The FlyerTalk TalkBoard exists to represent the interests of the FlyerTalk membership at large to the FlyerTalk Host.
Given the above, and in relation to this motion being a repeat of one that was processed by TalkBoard and signed off by our Community Director several months ago, do you believe our TalkBoard was in any way remiss in the way it represented the interests of the FlyerTalk membership at large last year?
It is important for members to know that TalkBoard members are serving in the greater interest of FlyerTalk and have not been elected merely to rehash previous motions because new incumbents disagreed with the outcome of previous motions. As members we deserve a Talkboard that as a unit shows commitment to decisions of its own making.
Jan 7, 2012 | 8:56 am
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... Given the above, and in relation to this motion being a repeat of one that was processed by TalkBoard and signed off by our Community Director several months ago, do you believe our TalkBoard was in any way remiss in the way it represented the interests of the FlyerTalk membership at large last year?
With that said, I would guess that given the election of more than one person who campaigned on this very platform, I would think that they would be remiss if they didn't bring this issue up.
Jan 7, 2012 | 9:07 am
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Not a thing is new, except a few people who won seats on TalkBoard promised this as one of the things that would come up early in the new term. Should I be precluded from making a motion just cause a previous TB voted it down?
I'm happy to focus on other things right now. I've already voted on this proposal, after all.
I'm happy to focus on other things right now. I've already voted on this proposal, after all.
Well said, RichMSN!
Jan 7, 2012 | 11:17 am
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However, right now, people can post only in lounge threads and attain access to both OMNI and CC.
This is correct.
Jan 7, 2012 | 12:31 pm
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SECTION 2: MISSION, Clause A, Item 1
The FlyerTalk TalkBoard exists to represent the interests of the FlyerTalk membership at large to the FlyerTalk Host.
Given the above, and in relation to this motion being a repeat of one that was processed by TalkBoard and signed off by our Community Director several months ago, do you believe our TalkBoard was in any way remiss in the way it represented the interests of the FlyerTalk membership at large last year?
It is important for members to know that TalkBoard members are serving in the greater interest of FlyerTalk and have not been elected merely to rehash previous motions because new incumbents disagreed with the outcome of previous motions. As members we deserve a Talkboard that as a unit shows commitment to decisions of its own making.
The FlyerTalk TalkBoard exists to represent the interests of the FlyerTalk membership at large to the FlyerTalk Host.
Given the above, and in relation to this motion being a repeat of one that was processed by TalkBoard and signed off by our Community Director several months ago, do you believe our TalkBoard was in any way remiss in the way it represented the interests of the FlyerTalk membership at large last year?
It is important for members to know that TalkBoard members are serving in the greater interest of FlyerTalk and have not been elected merely to rehash previous motions because new incumbents disagreed with the outcome of previous motions. As members we deserve a Talkboard that as a unit shows commitment to decisions of its own making.
As I said, I'm free to consider anything else. I have another motion or two that will probably be raised in the next couple of weeks, but I still have time for other work.
Unlike most politicians, though, my actions are not going to be influenced by thoughts of "will this get me re-elected."
Jan 7, 2012 | 1:32 pm
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I thought it works well at the moment.
If one needs to discuss many of lifes major points, or wants a laugh / chearing up then you can go down to OMNI. When, if etc you post no one really notices. You can then continue to be Mr normal in the main sections without anyone having an issue.
There are some good bits in ONMI. I like seeing the world, okay US, what issues are happening and having a chat and getting an understanding of what is happening. The people that know me know that I do like information about different areas. It also helps in my business side of life. I have family in the US, so I can keep up with their issues as well.
But my post count wont increase. I like that. Normall people wont notice and therefore wont take an interest unless they are really stalking someone.
If one needs to discuss many of lifes major points, or wants a laugh / chearing up then you can go down to OMNI. When, if etc you post no one really notices. You can then continue to be Mr normal in the main sections without anyone having an issue.
There are some good bits in ONMI. I like seeing the world, okay US, what issues are happening and having a chat and getting an understanding of what is happening. The people that know me know that I do like information about different areas. It also helps in my business side of life. I have family in the US, so I can keep up with their issues as well.
But my post count wont increase. I like that. Normall people wont notice and therefore wont take an interest unless they are really stalking someone.
Jan 7, 2012 | 1:47 pm
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I love the fact that this thread is already 8 pages long, whereas the Air Berlin thread is 5 posts long.
Clearly, post counts are most important here on Flyertalk.
Clearly, post counts are most important here on Flyertalk.
Jan 7, 2012 | 1:53 pm
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Jan 7, 2012 | 2:11 pm
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this goes back to what TB can do, and therefore does
you cant argue that candidates should not fulfill campaign promises upon election
again, it only becomes ridiculous if things are being reversed every single TB election
you cant argue that candidates should not fulfill campaign promises upon election
again, it only becomes ridiculous if things are being reversed every single TB election