Motion Passed - Posts Count in All FT Forums
Jan 10, 2012 | 9:27 am
#241
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Sorry if I wasn't clear enough for you. I personally don't like repeating myself and/or singing the old tunes over and over again, especially when the discussion of counting OMNI has been taking the (wrong) angles over the years.
If you don't mind updating your tally, I am and have always been not counting OMNI.
(bolding mine)
Promise?
If you don't mind updating your tally, I am and have always been not counting OMNI.
(bolding mine)
Promise?
Absolutely. I will never bring up the same motion while the TB has the same members.
No such promise about early 2013, though.
Jan 10, 2012 | 9:39 am
#242
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Actually, if you look up some of the posts by the community director, you will find that it is her position that TB members and moderators are first and foremost regular members. You may disagree, but that's the bottom line around here.
I'm curious as to why you wish to continue this inconsistency?
I'm curious as to why you wish to continue this inconsistency?
Jan 10, 2012 | 9:42 am
#243
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TalkBoard members are elected to serve all members of FT and that includes themselves as TalkBoard members, you, Moderators and the Community Director as we are all members of Flyertalk and just like you, all have the same issues/concerns/tips 'n tricks that you do and share them as would any other member.
Then run for TalkBoard in the next election
And you as a Moderator are an equal member? I think not.
Then run for TalkBoard in the next election
Well said ^
Then run for TalkBoard in the next election
And you as a Moderator are an equal member? I think not.
Then run for TalkBoard in the next election
Well said ^
Jan 10, 2012 | 9:43 am
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I'm actually not getting this either. Some of the anti-post counting group were very forceful in their opinions that the lounge threads, which are just, if not more, OT should remain exactly where they are and continue to count.
It's the old red-headed stepchild thing.
OT posts are ok as long as they're in the "acceptable" forums - just not Omni.
It's the old red-headed stepchild thing.
OT posts are ok as long as they're in the "acceptable" forums - just not Omni.
Jan 10, 2012 | 9:58 am
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Could you provide an example? I don't recall seeing, at least here in the TB Topics forum, an example of someone wanting to count lounge posts but not OMNI posts.
Jan 10, 2012 | 10:00 am
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I will have to dig up the threads - but it's one of them from last year requesting that Omni posts count.
It seemed that the lounge-ites came out in force in defense of their OT area.
ETA: One of them is linked to on the first page of this thread.. it's quite long
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...edit-omni.html
It seemed that the lounge-ites came out in force in defense of their OT area.
ETA: One of them is linked to on the first page of this thread.. it's quite long
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...edit-omni.html
Jan 10, 2012 | 10:50 am
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Only two though.
Forgive me for being cynical, but at least one former TB/FT member always used to trot out 'I've had lots of PMs supporting my position' whenever she found herself on the least popular side as a way of trying to justify she was listening to members.
The appearance of TB members receiving PMs to justify a position is now taken by me that they know they are losing the argument, and their position needs to be bolstered by anonymous, but always supportive and ultimately (IMHO given past experience) probably fictitious PMs.
In this case, RichMSN has provided enough detail for me to believe him. Generic claims about PMs received (which are surprisingly, always supportive! and always from the side which appears to have fewer proponents) - I simply don't. While I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, experience is also a great teacher.
Forgive me for being cynical, but at least one former TB/FT member always used to trot out 'I've had lots of PMs supporting my position' whenever she found herself on the least popular side as a way of trying to justify she was listening to members.
The appearance of TB members receiving PMs to justify a position is now taken by me that they know they are losing the argument, and their position needs to be bolstered by anonymous, but always supportive and ultimately (IMHO given past experience) probably fictitious PMs.
In this case, RichMSN has provided enough detail for me to believe him. Generic claims about PMs received (which are surprisingly, always supportive! and always from the side which appears to have fewer proponents) - I simply don't. While I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, experience is also a great teacher.
Jan 10, 2012 | 12:03 pm
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Actually, if you look up some of the posts by the community director, you will find that it is her position that TB members and moderators are first and foremost regular members. You may disagree, but that's the bottom line around here.
I'm curious as to why you wish to continue this inconsistency?
I'm curious as to why you wish to continue this inconsistency?
It would be the same as a company conducting independent research but then telling the researchers to include the companies opinions, making the research completely biased.
TB members are of course ordinary members too and have the same rights as other members when it comes to non-Talkboard related topics. But this is Talkboard related so they are not equal. It's not a negative thing, it's a fact.
Jan 10, 2012 | 12:06 pm
#249
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The TB member know how each other stand on the issues - they have their own private forum discussions. I would expect a count of opinions on this thread to exclude them.
Any comment on my question.... why you are in favor of continuing the inconsistency?
Any comment on my question.... why you are in favor of continuing the inconsistency?
Jan 10, 2012 | 12:08 pm
#250
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I'd like to be put both in the 'NO' category, and the I'd prefer posts not show at all.
I see no need to count OMNI, it only serves to fluff up the post counts.
I have 19,000+ posts and don't care about them counting, I am not a lesser voice if an admin masked me to have 200 posts, it simply doesn't matter. I didn't post to have post counts show, I posted to talk with friends, discuss an issue, or win a contest, not make post counts grow. Some of you see lounge threads as fluff, I would have never met 40+ Fters in person, some of them multiple times and traveled over 20,000 miles with those friends, without a lounge thread. It was and never is about the posts, but the friendships.
I see no need to count OMNI, it only serves to fluff up the post counts.
I have 19,000+ posts and don't care about them counting, I am not a lesser voice if an admin masked me to have 200 posts, it simply doesn't matter. I didn't post to have post counts show, I posted to talk with friends, discuss an issue, or win a contest, not make post counts grow. Some of you see lounge threads as fluff, I would have never met 40+ Fters in person, some of them multiple times and traveled over 20,000 miles with those friends, without a lounge thread. It was and never is about the posts, but the friendships.
Jan 10, 2012 | 12:14 pm
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Updated for lin821 & Steph3n - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17782373-post179.html
And FWIW, since we're talking PM's here...I received a PM from a member thanking me for voting no & representing them as a general member...
And FWIW, since we're talking PM's here...I received a PM from a member thanking me for voting no & representing them as a general member...
Jan 10, 2012 | 12:16 pm
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FWIW, this is an excerpt of a post that I posted in the Private TB forum:
Originally Posted by bhatnasx
Here's the comment which means the most to me - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17782982-post199.html.
Another comment which is aligned with why I voted against this - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17776372-post151.html
My reason for voting against this is not because I don't want OMNI posts to count...I'm fine with OMNI posts counting. What bothers me is that if/when they do count, the counting games certain other threads that don't really (IMHO) add value-based content to the community, will continue to count. FlyerTalk rewards high post counts with status and a moniker. Those counting threads, are pereived by many, to be post-padding threads, which are thereby, percieved by many, to be violation of the TOS. Unfortunately, unless the moderators of that forum would be willing to commit to treating them as such (and historically, this hasn't happened), then folks get "status" through counting.
If we were creat a motion that first addressed this counting issue (which theoretically wouldn't happen because it's a moderation issue - and we have no purview on that), then I would get behind posts in OMNI (and CC and OMNI P/R) counting. Until either the status associated with the counting threads can be removed or those types of threads are removed from FlyerTalk, I can't get behind this motion.
Even Mary2e, an FTer whom I've got great respecte for and is a strong proponent of counting OMNI posts, states that she thinks post counting threads don't have a place here on FlyerTalk - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17777562-post156.html
And finally - this is one of the more valid comments in this argument IMHO - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17782751-post193.html
Just my 2 cents - do what you think is best...
Another comment which is aligned with why I voted against this - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17776372-post151.html
My reason for voting against this is not because I don't want OMNI posts to count...I'm fine with OMNI posts counting. What bothers me is that if/when they do count, the counting games certain other threads that don't really (IMHO) add value-based content to the community, will continue to count. FlyerTalk rewards high post counts with status and a moniker. Those counting threads, are pereived by many, to be post-padding threads, which are thereby, percieved by many, to be violation of the TOS. Unfortunately, unless the moderators of that forum would be willing to commit to treating them as such (and historically, this hasn't happened), then folks get "status" through counting.
If we were creat a motion that first addressed this counting issue (which theoretically wouldn't happen because it's a moderation issue - and we have no purview on that), then I would get behind posts in OMNI (and CC and OMNI P/R) counting. Until either the status associated with the counting threads can be removed or those types of threads are removed from FlyerTalk, I can't get behind this motion.
Even Mary2e, an FTer whom I've got great respecte for and is a strong proponent of counting OMNI posts, states that she thinks post counting threads don't have a place here on FlyerTalk - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17777562-post156.html
And finally - this is one of the more valid comments in this argument IMHO - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17782751-post193.html
Just my 2 cents - do what you think is best...
Jan 10, 2012 | 12:22 pm
#253
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Awww, thank you. I'm blushing 
I agree with you, except I've posted that if the motion passes I would ask the Omni mods, plus the CD to revisit the counting/contest threads for possible deletions - to get rid of thousands of posts that served to do nothing but inflate post counts (one or two people admitted to having a goal of counting their way to legend before Randy put a stop to it). Going forward, I would ask they delete them as soon as they're started.
I agree with you, except I've posted that if the motion passes I would ask the Omni mods, plus the CD to revisit the counting/contest threads for possible deletions - to get rid of thousands of posts that served to do nothing but inflate post counts (one or two people admitted to having a goal of counting their way to legend before Randy put a stop to it). Going forward, I would ask they delete them as soon as they're started.
Jan 10, 2012 | 12:35 pm
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As the motion is currently worded though, I'm against it.
Jan 10, 2012 | 12:54 pm
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Post padding can be done anywhere if one really tried. I say YES to OMNI.