Ozstamps currently has several terrific threads running in The Buzz and General TravelTalk (and perhaps elsewhere) regarding the Hilton HHonors - Mexicana Frecuenta promo. Each of these threads contains 100s of posts and several pages. It is getting a bit unwieldy trying to keep up. Any thought to "consolidating" this valuable info in one thread, perhaps by closing all but one thread and posting a link to the "open" thread?

Suggestion/objection renewed.

Same church, different pew.

Maybe this is simply a call for moderators (?).

Well let's do the math here. You bring this forward 3 times over 4+ months. Not one single Flyer Talker agrees with you during that time. Even on the Tarom Romanian Airlines board you'd get SOME response after 4 months by doing the same thing. This must surely be a FT record ZIPPO response thread. Congratulations.

Why not give it a rest????????????

The ONE Hilton thread you just complained about this week is about getting a free Hilton Gold VIP card via a simple phone call, in case you did not notice. (And a very easy 50,000 bonus points as well.) Hundreds of other FT'ers DID notice and greatly appreciated the tip. Dozens of them posted on the thread how pleased they were I'd started the thread on THAT Forum, as they otherwise would NEVER HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS GREAT DEAL. Dozens more emailed me thanks as well. It has nothing to do with any other thread I have ever started in any Forum this month. Does any of this cause you some kind of problem? Is it any of your business anyway???

Did I not see you post a 'thank you' to one of those Hilton threads I started, (that you now complain about) - that you, your wife, (and as I recall your children??!!) all got 1,000s of Hilton bonus points from?? Thanks for the belated 'gratitude'!

You want MODERATORS called in as I post something this month on The Buzz that positively benefits 100s of FlyerTalkers? You may perhaps need a doctor - not a moderator?

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 02-23-2001).]

Here you go record boy.

I agree with Cactuspete.

The only one who needs a doctor is you.

Have you asked your therapist for a refund yet?

BTW,

Don't bother editing your remarks. I have already saved the HTML pages.

what's wrong with the proposal that cactuspete starts with an admiring 'several terrific threads running' - that cactuspete now has to 'endure' such an attack?

Not responding myself to proposals should never be interpreted as support or decline (in this 'case' I did see some 'value' in cactuspete's proposal, but I didn't find it really important).

Good morning (or evening, for you perhaps), Ozstamps. I am sorry that you feel the need to make a personal attack on me in response to my posts in this thread. I certainly didn't mean any offense by my posts, and indeed I don't believe that any reasonable reading would lead one to believe that I was personally attacking you. If I did, then I apologize. If anything, I complemented you at least twice. I was simply making a suggestion in the interests of efficiency and economy for the entire FT board.

I truly do appreciate your positive contributions to this board. You clearly have the knowledge, experience and desire to make many fine contributions that have and will continue to benefit all FTers. Heck, I even enjoy reading some of the twisted logic that you use in your frequent flame wars.

But since you now have my attention, let me take a moment to respond to your unwarranted and unsolicited accusations/flame. Oz, perhaps you are the one that needs to "give it a rest." You seem to be one of the only posters on these boards to be obsessed with "the math" and "FT records". And since when does a lack of a reply equate to disapproval? I suppose that if I posted a response to every thread that I agreed with I too may be able to run my post count up to 5700+.

With respect to the Hilton fast track to gold promo, where in this thread do you find me complaining about your posting it in The Buzz? Of course its a great promo. And I do believe that you were correct in posting it in the Buzz. The fact of the matter is that many of us were well aware of the promo in early December. The issue (mine and many others) is the manner in which you posted it. I won't waste my time dredging up a link to that thread, where many prominent FTers stated the case much more eloquently than I. The point is, you could have just said "Hey, check out this thread running in the Hilton forum," and then all of the comments and information would have been centralized. Of course, that would not have fed your ego.

With respect to the Mexicana/Hilton promo, I acknowledge that somewhere on this board I probably expressed my appreciation for your discovery. And yes, both my wife and I took advantage of that deal. However, my children did not - - because both Hilton and Mexicana have minimum age requirements for their programs. Which is where the problem comes in. On one of those threads (again, some day when I have time I might try to find the link), one of your aliases (either JaneJet or MolsonMiler) "reported" having signed his/her/its kids up for the program). You then went on to espouse the possibility of signing up the whole family, and other, naive FTers followed suit. More ego food.

I feel quite confident that your flames in this thread are in retribution for my prior comments regarding the Janejet/Molson fiasco. You were not man enough to respond then. Instead you let everything die down and fade from memory, regaling us ad nauseam with your tales of dinner with Randy, umpteen bottles of Dom on the flight to DUS, your Tarom flight, etc., etc., etc., then launch an attack from left field.

Ironic that you have diagnosed me as needing a doctor. Most here would agree that you are one of the FTers repeatedly exhibiting psychotic behavior. What kind of person measures self-worth by the adulations received from unsuspecting, naive, anonymous posters on an internet bulletin board? And to boot, most everyone reports that in person you are quite a decent fellow! Your actions here are not only pathetic and inappropriate, they are a cry for help.

Go ahead and flame away Oz. You started it, and you have shown a propensity for always wanting the last word, so I am certain that we will all see more of your gibberish and flames. You always seem to find a way to be in the middle of every flame war here.

I don't want your advice, so you likely don't want mine, but consider this: Please feel free to continue making positive contributions to FyerTalk, but kindly check your ego at the door.

cactuspete...thank you for your fine suggestions and opinons in all of your posts in this thread.

I don't know what OZ said since it appears to be edited. I assume from the posts that follow he made his usual, you must be sick in the head and need a doctor comment. CameraGuy I think it might be helpul if you reposted the unedited version.
And to be fair to OZstamps, we want him to use one link to a main thread. Would we be willing to just let him link to a generic, "everyone loves me... I have the email to prove it. I take all credit... Your sick in the head... etc." Response thread?
Now putting the sarcasim aside and being serious for a moment. I don't like the OZ/hilton thread in the buzz... And I very much agree with Catuspete. Also i'm,NOT excusing Ozstamps response. However,I do think we should note that Oz left it alone until the third posting. We ask him to behave, but aren't we a bit responsible for baiting him in a way? The old Oz would have responded to the first mention. We are making improvement... We got to three this time. I offer this compromise to both sides. Oz, admit to your aliases as I and others admitted theirs. That will remove it from being thrown in your face, time and time again. But, you must ask to be forgiven before people will do so. Second, I realize your posting in the buzz is from ethusiasim. But could you consider the link to the forum idea? It would go a long way, if you would say, "hey that's a good idea, too bad I didn't think the link before." If you would consider those two things, I'd be happy to tell people to lay off discussing you, and discuss travel instead. Until that time I have to agree with Cameraguy and Premex.

cigarman,

It's still in his post.

I do have to disagree with you on more than one point.

1. Oz has not earned the benefit of any doubts. In order to be given the "benefit of the doubt", one must first have earned respect. Not only has Oz not earned any respect, I would say that his respect quotient is in negative numbers. Hey, maybe that is some sort of record too!

2. MANY of us know that the Buzz thread was a small minded attempt at collecting credit and adulation. The only enthusiasm exhibited was his enthusiasm for self promotion.

3. Even if Oz came clean on his aliases, it would be too little, too late. He spent months whining and blubbering about the practice, all the while engaging in the same practice himself. He then dropped a flame/bombshell a week before he went on an extended vacation. He came back from the vacation and self proclaims that all of that is behind us. NOT! This cuts right to the core of the negative respect point.

I leave you with three rhetorical questions:

Remember the week between Christmas and New Years? Remember how peaceful and pleasant FT was? Remember who was not around?

Yes, very quiet those weeks. BUT if we can't ever forgive under ANY circumstances... Are we not him? Or that famous quote, "we have seen the enemy and they are us." You know I'm not a charter member of the Ozstamps fan club, However, I have some (possibly misguided) hope that people can change... There clearly was some improvement in behavior. It just seems to be wearing off.

OK, you got me thinking.

How about these circumstances?

1. Admit ALL of his aliases.

2. Apologize to the following members and ask for their forgiveness:
Premex
Catman
Quietlion
Hunnybear
cactuspete
wharvey
fallinasleep
essxjay
Me
And any other members he has personally attacked or accused of having aliases.

3. Stop referring to the number of posts he has as if the high number is some badge of honor.

4. Stop referring to the number of posts to his or any other threads.

5. Stop challenging other members to �search their last 100 posts and prove what helpful advise they gave�

6. Stop posting others peoples ideas as if they were his own.

7. Stop responding to criticism with personal attacks.

8. After accomplishing all of the above, act like a human being for 2 solid weeks.

If ALL of the above were accomplished, I would consider forgiveness.

Hmm, after 4 months the crickets are sure out in force today.

That email network definitely exists folks. South Park and Monty Python has got nothing on most of these guys.

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 02-23-2001).]

I knew he would never get past number 8.

Okay, I tried to be a peacemaker and bury the hatchet...
I think it's time to dig it up and scalp someone!

[This message has been edited by cigarman (edited 02-23-2001).]