I missed it too Dorian. So did everyone else on FT. It is yet ANOTHER total and complete fiction invented and posted by Camera Guy yet claimed by him to be a fact. I will donate $1,000 to the Red Cross if Camera Guy posts that alleged thread here. And Camera Guy being a gentleman, may of course match my offer if he considers upon reflection he has deliberately lied and misled others - not just here on this thread, but repeatedly in the past days on other threads, repeating this total fiction. And he may even apologise. An pigs may fly.

For a while there Camera Guy even added "world traveller" to "doctor" as one of the things I allegedly was not, (along with above "record producer" lie) yet had claimed to be as ozstamps. If he cares to add another $1,000 to the charity 'pot' I will show any independent "judge" here my passports with entry and exit stamps to over 100 countries in there. Many of them visited numerous times. But possibly that is not "world travelling" in his warped mind, I do not know?

So what say you Camera Guy ..... are your lies worth backing with $2,000 of your money to assist a worthy charity? Please respond. We have a saying in Australia that covers this exact situation - put your money where your mouth is.

The 'record producer' comment was never posted by me, at any time, as it is a demented fiction that exists only in the mind of Camera Guy. And I hope the Red Cross benefits to the tune of $2,000 because of it. My guess is there a lot more than 100 users on these boards who are doctors, and who do not usually choose to use that title - it is no big deal, and is ordinarily no-one's business unless Camera Guy is posting. (The number of FT users with a PHD or Masters Degree, or post graduate qualifications etc is closer to 1000 users here than 100 actually, I have little doubt.)

This Camera Guy deliberate lie above adds to his other on page one of this thread, where he very obviously has refused to supply one iota of evidence to support .... about the new bunch of alleged fake user names this year. As he knows ... and I think everyone else on FT know, as no-one else has agreed with them, both he and wharvey are WRONG. And both know they are wrong. Neither have produced one SUGGESTION even, much less any proof despite being urged at various times to post it for all to see. wharvey has tried to pathetically weasel out of it by posting a thread on Community to avoid answering due to the hubbub .. quite bizarrely not realising the title of this thread here that he seems to object to, is exactly what he has just done himself ..... creating multiple threads. Hypocrisy indeed.

Really? Well CG, I have news for you. Randy has a cute feature called "SEARCH". And finding specific words and phrases by user posting is not "next to impossible". It is a CINCH. And you know it. BUT, lets pretend you are a newbie. You type "record producer", under words to search for, you then select "Search all forums" and you then type "search by user name ozstamps". And you get your result. Or lack of one. You did this of course, I have no doubt, but as you know, the answer is "No matches found".

And another definition of Camera Guy Hypocrisy really is:

When Camera Guy says quote: "If the majority of CO participants would like to see the News Items to
continue here, I will gladly stop pointing out that we have a forum for these items".
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../001928-2.html

And when the clear majority of the CO board disagreed with his tenet, he blubbers and squirms with:

And then consistently fails to take his own excellent advice. THAT is hypocrisy. Camera Guy has a stalking obsession for any post I make, that I feel he needs psychiatric help with. If that keeps him amused in his spare time, rather than talking flying and points and positive advice, so be it, it is a free country. Camera Guy more than I has been the main toxic force on FlyerTalk in 2001 by using this tactic, as it often incites others. If anyone cares to check his posts over the past 3 months this will be shown as correct and may surprise many. They are mostly attacking me, and serve no positive purpose whatever for FT or other FT'ers except to start flame wars. Go look - it is very disturbing behaviour for a man to say this below, when his "contributions" re points or tips or flying advice to any others here on FT are self evident:

Well Camera Guy .... you stalk pretty well every post I make, so I'll let others search my last 100 or whatever posts and look at your last 100 or make their own judgement.

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And actually cigarman I was not only an "editor", (and thus do not need to "claim" to have been one) but Managing Editor, Executive Editor, Managing Director, owner and publisher of a couple of large glossy internationally circulating monthly magazines until very recently. And Rudi is correct, I have also been a journalist and writer and contributor in all manner of fields for all my 30+ year working life too. Where is the mystery?
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I say you owe $500:

"I worked for a large record company in PR in the 70s/80s, and was delighted to travel to parts of Australia & NZ sitting next to the likes of Olivia, Elton John, Cat Stevens, ELO, Peter Frampton, Jethro Tull, Leo Sayer, Supertramp, Shirley Bassey, The Bee Gees, Liberace (true!) Joan Baez, Joe Cocker, Bob Marley, Steve Winwood and many others.
All paid First in those days, and often they were very lovely down to earth people away from the managers and assorted hangers on. After often they were ...........

In general the bigger they were, the nicer they really were off stage. The young one or 2 hit wonder rock bands were the problems. Could write several books on those days, except for the defamation laws here!"
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum50/HTML/003460.html

We have an American expression that covers this exact situation:

Shut [edited by FlyerTalk Admin] up...




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Dorian, yes, I have posted that before. I was National PR and Promotions Manager for a large record company. That is in no way even remotely connected with being a record producer. It as as akin as me saying that you posting as an airline passenger implied you claimed you were an airline PILOT, just because the common word was "airline". Get serious.

No, Camera Guy might need to do a good search, and then hopefully reach for his cheque book, and charity might benefit from his lying lesson. Mr Camera Mouth clearly states above "July/August" and the post Dorian links is December, five months later. Please, let this liar search himself.

And as for onefreeman, others may judge him as they will on this piece of absolute gutter filth, the like of which I have never seen before on FT. I'll post it for posterity, so he cannot readily forget it:







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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 03-01-2001).]

Taking a deep breath here.

Ozhole,

I don�t know whether to pity you or continue to despise you. Your posts these past few days have been an interesting case study in paranoia and a host of other mental diseases. I hope a �Real� doctor can take the time to study them.

�Stalking� you. Please, get over yourself. You post your useless drivel in just about every forum. It is next to impossible to open a thread in FT without stumbling upon one of your posts.

I invite each and every member here on FT to perform the search that Ozhole has suggested. You will find that when I have engaged Oz. It has been in defense of another member. Ozhole seems to think that he has free rein to criticize and attack other members.

I will not �Put my money where my mouth is� as long as FT has the ability for any user to edit their posts. As I stated earlier, I am quite sure that you have since gone back and edited your post. Your long winded rant about never being a record producer was missing the small tidbit about your �Being in PR�. Why is that? Are you having trouble remembering all of your past professions?

You complain about my posting that you were/are a world traveler. That may or may not be accurate. Who cares? The point is that you make so many boisterous claims that a rational person would have trouble believing any of them.

You imply that I am the only member here who questioned your qualifications as a doctor. That is an outright lie and you know it. A number of FT�ers have asked you the very same question. If it is true, why the silence?

Splitting hairs here. I never claimed to have proof. Those posts are carbon copies of posts by some of your �Alleged� aliases. The reason I am forced to state �Alleged� is that you have never come forward with a list of your aliases. I stand behind the above quoted statement. This is your MO.

I also stand behind my statement that you do not contribute to FT. If you consider driving VALUABLE members away to be a contribution, then I am wrong. Otherwise I stand correct. You can continue to post 30+ times a day. It will not mean you are contributing, and it will also not earn you any of the respect and adulation you so desperately seek.

Now it is time for me to steal a line from your play book. You seem to feel that I am the only member here who is tired of your antics. Well, if that is the case, why are there so many members supporting my position and so few supporting yours? You are so fond of pointing this fact out when it suits you. How does it feel to have it pointed out to you when it does not.

I have a simple solution to your �Stalking� obsession. STOP ATTACKING OTHER MEMBERS and STOP TAKING CREDIT FOR OTHER MEMBERS TIPS AND IDEAS. If you would stop these practices, I and many other members would not feel the need to stand up to you and correct you

Camera Guy, in your long rave you have not yet proferred one shred of evidence yet for all the alleged ozstamps handles you wrongly claim I have used this year, nor posted the 'record producer' thread you lied about. Please, don't forget the Red Cross appreciates donations. Even from liars - they ask no questions.

The ONLY useful thing about your post was the continuous reference to OZHOLE, language following in the disgusting footsteps of onefreeman.

Why was that word OZHOLE so very interesting? This is why:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum75/HTML/000017.html


Those posts were also disgusting, and clearly needed to be deleted by Randy's staff, despite cigarman bleating above that they all really just were cute and innocent.

Cigarman did own up to using the NewZealandCoins fake handle.

Until now, NO-ONE has owned up to being the other coward on this board posting as OZHOLE who was banned and that filth deleted. Perhaps we will never know? Perhaps pigs might fly? And THANK YOU for cross linking this thread from the Community one. (What was the title of THIS thread - I keep forgetting?)

Read YOUR last paragraph aloud to yourself please Camera Guy whilst looking in a mirror. If YOU had taken a break from FT since New Years Day, FT would be as peaceful as could be right now. EVERY single flame has had you RIGHT in the centre of it. I have a number of emails agreeing with that since my posting, from some very surprising board members who have now done a little checking and had not realised that.

You have a nice day Camera Guy. I certainly will now since YOUR post.

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 03-01-2001).]

Funny how you always seem to get e-mail, but I don't. I wonder why that is?

I answered all of your "Questions" quite clearly. Are you having trouble comprehending today?

You seem to think I am the problem. I beg to differ. Read the last sentence of my above post.

Yep, and Clinton didn't inhale. You are a joke and a parody. Please go away. You are cheap, will not pay your lost bet to charity, and others are seeing through that. PlaneBusiness is recruiting this week. If you do not get emails I am NOT surprised in the least. You should read some of mine this morning.

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 03-01-2001).]

Lost bet? You proposed, I declined. I listed my reason for declining.

I do not believe that you are getting any supportive e-mail. Why don;t you ask some of your "Supporters" to copy me these "alleged" e-mails. Unlike you, I can take criticism.

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hypocrite (n.) hyp�o�crite 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. 2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

You declined? Oh Really? So by extension that is an admission that you lied twice here, and were in fact the fake, foul mouthed, and now banned user OzHole? Well, the air is clearing nicely.

You were requested to "put up or shut up", and "put your money where you BIG mouth is,"

Here we call guys that don't do that welchers, and cheapskates and cowards. And hypocrites. You are that unique combo of all four it seems. Ricki Lake and Gerry Springer are always looking for new guests with your kind of high moral ethics to have meaningful discussions with. You could wear a cowboy hat for dramatic effect perhaps? And/Or a yellow coat?

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here we go again...

First Oz, I can speak for one flame war Camera Guy was not in...the one that started after you attacked an EBayer for doing what you do yourself...barter or sell UA certs (and remember OZ UA executive offices define barter AND sale as the SAME thing, against the rules, and the specifically said it was barter as you proposed in coupon connection). You attacked someone for the thing you were doing at the same instant. I came after you on that one, and will do so again.

Second, you mention no one coming to support Camera Guy, okay, I'll throw my name on the pile of supporters.

I also recall last year someone else, can't recall the username, who had a thread specifically about support in the face of your attacks. It had plenty of responses.

Oz, you've become even more shrill and abusive than previously...excepting the swear words your right there with Mileage God or whatever his name was of last summer.

I might also add to the commentary on your past 'professions" in that while you may or may not have used the word 'producer' the gist of the arguement that you claimed to be 'connected' in the record business holds as does the larger issue of big claims about your life being so frequent as to call all of them into question. Although saying you are not a world traveller is the weakest of these claims against you, taken in the context of your documented penchant for self-glorification through falsehood (aliases who did that) and the total picture of all the amazing things you claim to have done, it becomes a natural to challenge anything you say because your credibility is zilch.

Interestingly, I recall, but cannot prove and thus do not 'claim' only claim to recall, that you said you were a private investigator. This is really a laugh because I can recall occasions when your power of observation was nil. I mention here only the last attack on an EBayer where you claimed they had posted a pic of the cert itself complete with PNR. My first reaction to that pic was...it's too professional to be home made...it just has that glossy/perfect feel of someone who took hours to photgraph a ticket. Then, when someone pointed out that was possible, you attacked them, claiming it HAD to be a real picture of the cert for sale. Then, someone pointed you directly to where the pic had been 'borrowed'....oops!...change tack, move the attack to a different topic in classic Oz fashion.

Why, if these important flyertalkers are so supportive and so important, why won't they come forward? You have a lot of 'well placed' friends who never show their face. Given your history, you can understand my skepticism.

The best you've managed in terms of so-called support are those who have called for 'peace in our time' such as punki and doc, both reasonable people, but their statements are not in support of you Oz, only that they would rather not see what is going on continue.

Now, of course, we could get into your usefulness here. I would say, in a small way, you have contributed. However, even only in terms of FF programs, you've done more damage than good. An example of that would be the Hilton/Frequenta 'event' Now, many people did pick up bonuses, some even got them through before the opportunity was gone. Now, what about the thousands of everday Frequenta members who now cannot transfer bonus miles to Hilton, simply because a little greed play forced either or or both Hilton and Frequenta to change the program? Remember, the comment that came with the change use the word 'protect'. It is quite clear to me they felt they were being damaged by the activity generated here. The same can be said for changing your preferences with Hilton, also now gone due to abuse, 8 times per year, not because your preferences change and the company wants to show appreciation for your letting them know with a small reward, but because you want the points at any cost. I have said it before, I say it again, clearly and loudly (and as my opinion only) that you are a destructive force in FF-land. Combined with the venue of FT your greed is scorching the earth of FF programs. This line of thought ties in nicely with the 'should I post it on flyertalk threads' that you have also managed to poison with your presence. Your presence has become poisonous by it's mere existence now because of the totality of your history here as well as your current behavior. I keep recalling the Saturday Night Live skit about 'The guest who would not leave'... you have worn out your welcome here in my opinion, find a new BB to infest.

I close with a favorite chaistic quote of mine, it describes us all of course, to a point, the last two lines define you Oz...

No one means all he says,
and yet very few say all they mean,
for words are slippery
and thought is viscous." Henry Adams

Once again, you have no problem igonoring facts.

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Where is the admission?

As far as Ozhole or ANY other fake handle is concerned, here is the truth:

I HAVE NEVER POSTED UNDER ANY USER NAME OTHER THAN CameraGuy. NONE, ZERO, ZILCH. I AM TIRED OF YOUR ACCUSATIONS. IF YOU HAVE PROOF ADMIT IT. IF YOU HAVE NONE, ADMIT THAT.

I have admitted that I have no proof of your using false handles recently. My suspicions are based upon your MO. Be a man and either introduce proof of my posteing under false handles or admit you have none.

You are the coward who has used false handles in the past. Yet, you are not man enough to admith just what those handles were.

You told me in an earlier post to go away. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I was here before you, and I will be here after you.

Wormwood ... I hope you have your check book ready. Red Cross will have more money than Kuwait by lunchtime. You are nuttier than CG this morning if that is possible. Hey wormwood, lay down your $1000. Post the thread. Get real.

Camera Guy has very predictably welched on his $2000 donation to Red Cross, and accused me in pathetic desperation of an edit that never took place, and now I am claiming to be Perry Mason by your recollection? What did they put in the weetabix this morning?? LSD??? Magic Mushrooms?

And Camera Guy, I must have been asleep when you posted this alleged gem below. I state right here it is another pathetic lie, posted an hour ago to save yourself $1000. Please refresh all our memories. WHERE did you "apologise" for this untruth? I told both you and your little yapping puppy wharvey it was a blatant LIE, and asked you BOTH to donate $1000 to Red Cross when it was proved wrong.

And this one from above you really are on a course of idiot pills to post:

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[This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 03-01-2001).]

excuse me Oz, but when did I get involved in any charity bet... you started that then held others accountable to it. When I see the cancelled check from you I'll believe it. As for me, I never made any commitment on that topic. What thread do I need to post? I am stating my opinion, and can support it to any degree I choose. I have mentioned threads where I felt it relevant, and been very careful to clarify in that regard. I don't have to do diddly at your demand Oz. Yours truly is an Oziocentric universe, just astonishing... you don't get to make the rules and then enforce them (see your 'coming clean on false handles with the two hour demand for others to come clean' thread to support that arguement).

As usual, you ignore those parts of my post you wish to ignore.

I am going to keep goading you because your getting more shrill and perhaps we can 'break you' soon enough. I don't subsrcribe to the Neville Chamberlain approach to Oz. I am sorely tempted to go to UA executive offices with your personal information regarding UA SWU for New York Hotel information...of course, I could quote you with regards to the unfortunate EBayer..."I hope United is monitoring this board and busts this person (paraphrase)" or I could be a little more proactive Oz, the UA people sure were eager for me to be so when I gave them the information while protecting your anonimity...they were VERY interested. Care to massage my temptations a bit more ozzie boy? Want to take this to a new level? Shall we put our MP accounts where our mouth is??

wormwood seems to be summing things up quite nicely.

Here is my quote where I stated I had no proof.

Maybe you could have one of your aliases read these posts and translate them into Ozlogic.