New "dynamic pricing" for Early Bird
#61
Join Date: Dec 2015
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Completely agree. I have status with United and pay for the Economy Plus seats. It is worth it to me, as I am guaranteed a window seat up front.
My point is EBCI is nothing more than a paid seat. It is a reasonable cost for one, but one that does NOT guarantee the seat you want.
My point is EBCI is nothing more than a paid seat. It is a reasonable cost for one, but one that does NOT guarantee the seat you want.
#62
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Completely agree. I have status with United and pay for the Economy Plus seats. It is worth it to me, as I am guaranteed a window seat up front.
My point is EBCI is nothing more than a paid seat. It is a reasonable cost for one, but one that does NOT guarantee the seat you want.
My point is EBCI is nothing more than a paid seat. It is a reasonable cost for one, but one that does NOT guarantee the seat you want.
#63
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Kansas City
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Then I pick a different window seat in the front half of the plane. I don't specifically prefer "9A" or "10F" - my preference is just the front half in a window. Having power and extra legroom is a huge plus for that seat fee.
#64
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Back to the topic, it makes sense to charge more for EBCI on longer flights. On a 45 minutes flight from DAL-HOU, I don't mind sitting in a middle seat in the last row. On a 5.5 hour flight from OAK-BWI, I would rather pay $25 to get a better seat.
#66
Join Date: Nov 2015
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You are absolutely right. More people will definitely be trying to save seats. With the increased price point, I could easily see only one person paying for EB and saving seats for a whole family, where in the past they might have bought them for each individual. If this does happen, I could also see WN banning seat saving. This might actually be a good thing.
#67
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You are absolutely right. More people will definitely be trying to save seats. With the increased price point, I could easily see only one person paying for EB and saving seats for a whole family, where in the past they might have bought them for each individual. If this does happen, I could also see WN banning seat saving. This might actually be a good thing.
Eventually, the furor will motivate SWA to more to assigned seating, which nobody will like, but it will prevent the entitled savers from fighting with the militant save-haters and drawing the innocent flight crew into their feud, giving the airline a black eye in the process.
So, I don't see a save ban coming any time soon. Because no matter which side of the issue you're on, you've got to admit - it's a hot-button that will cause more trouble than it's worth and cost SWA money, whereas the dynamic EBCI pricing will cause grumbling and a few bumps on the road, but will ultimately make SWA more money, and people will quickly get used to it.
#68
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A rule allowing middle seats to be saved would work, but Southwest makes more money when a few of those people buy EBCI for the second passenger. The sloppy status quo will continue.
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If they ever ban seat saving, it will be a very rough transition. For the first few weeks, there will be shouting matches and maybe even a few physical altercations every single day as the self-righteous save-haters interact with the militant entitled savers. Flight crews will be forced to intervene, and that won't go well, either, as the savers will immediately start a social media blitz casting negative light on both the crews and the airline with heart-rending comments like "Southwest wouldn't let me sit with my children!" and "Southwest forces elderly Alzheimer's patient to sit with strangers". The save-haters, of course, will respond to such comments with contempt, sarcasm, and hatred.
Eventually, the furor will motivate SWA to more to assigned seating, which nobody will like, but it will prevent the entitled savers from fighting with the militant save-haters and drawing the innocent flight crew into their feud, giving the airline a black eye in the process.
So, I don't see a save ban coming any time soon. Because no matter which side of the issue you're on, you've got to admit - it's a hot-button that will cause more trouble than it's worth and cost SWA money, whereas the dynamic EBCI pricing will cause grumbling and a few bumps on the road, but will ultimately make SWA more money, and people will quickly get used to it.
Eventually, the furor will motivate SWA to more to assigned seating, which nobody will like, but it will prevent the entitled savers from fighting with the militant save-haters and drawing the innocent flight crew into their feud, giving the airline a black eye in the process.
So, I don't see a save ban coming any time soon. Because no matter which side of the issue you're on, you've got to admit - it's a hot-button that will cause more trouble than it's worth and cost SWA money, whereas the dynamic EBCI pricing will cause grumbling and a few bumps on the road, but will ultimately make SWA more money, and people will quickly get used to it.
People whine to social media about their "hellish" flight experience all the time, even if it's 100% their fault. Just move along and ignore the idiots to the extent possible....
#71
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yep, and Alzheimer's patients pre-board, so no issue there either.
The seat savers are able-bodied adults who choose to game the system to cheat WN out of revenue they should be getting for boarding sooner. Their childish antics need to be stopped.
The seat savers are able-bodied adults who choose to game the system to cheat WN out of revenue they should be getting for boarding sooner. Their childish antics need to be stopped.
#72
Join Date: Mar 2011
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Price increase? Yes. Seat saving ban? No. Not gonna happen.
What will happen: Preboarding gets worse. Seat saving gets worse. Southwest continues to ignore the issue until EBCI revenues drop to the point at which they are forced to assign seating.
What will happen: Preboarding gets worse. Seat saving gets worse. Southwest continues to ignore the issue until EBCI revenues drop to the point at which they are forced to assign seating.
#73
Join Date: Sep 2002
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What will happen: Nothing. EBCI price increase is not great enough to inflict a seat saving ban or suppress pre-boarding. FAs/GAs will say when they can no longer go with the flow and bickering becomes intolerable.
#74
Join Date: Sep 2013
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While I'm generally on the side of banning seat saving, I do have to admit that as a single flyer seat saving affects me not at all. Zero percent. Nada. The status quo might be sloppy but I prefer it to assigned seating.
Last edited by Peoriaman1; Aug 27, 2018 at 5:33 am
#75
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If you don't care what seat you end up in, then sure, but if you've ever seen a seat you wanted and then kept walking when you noticed (or asked) it was being saved and ended up in a seat you preferred less, then by definition you've been affected (granted it may not be an earth-shattering thing )