Jan 29, 2014, 2:36 pm
Last edit by: texashoser
Beginning July 1, 2014, Southwest Airlines will operate daily, nonstop flights between:
For international bookings, only ATL, BOS, BWI, MCO, or PIT can serve as the origination/destination airport. Separate bookings are necessary if positioning flights are required.
UPDATE: Starting August 5, 2014, more cities via staggered schedule will be added as allowed origination/destination airports. The schedule is as follows:
Aug. 5 BDL, DCA, DTW, HOU, LGA, RDU, SDF
Aug. 10 SNA, MKE
Aug. 19 BNA, ORF, PHL, SFO, SJC, SMF, STL
Aug. 26 ALB, BUF, DAY, IND, MCI, MSP, OAK, ROC
Sept. 16 CMH, GRR, ISP, LAX, MHT, PVD, PWM
Sept. 30 DSM, LAS, OKC, PDX, SEA
Oct. 5 ABQ, CAK, CLE, DAL, OMA, SLC
Oct. 28 BOI, FNT, GEG, RNO
Nov. 2 AUS, MDW, SAT
Nov. 11 AMA, CLT, GSP, MSY, ONT
Nov. 18 BHM, CHS, FLL, JAX, LIT, PBI, PHX, RSW, SAN, SJU, TPA, TUS
Dec. 16 CRP, ECP, HRL, ICT, MAF, MEM, PNS, RIC
- Atlanta and Aruba, and Montego Bay
- Baltimore/Washington and Aruba, Nassau, and (twice daily) Montego Bay
- Orlando and (Saturday only) Aruba, and Montego Bay
For international bookings, only ATL, BOS, BWI, MCO, or PIT can serve as the origination/destination airport. Separate bookings are necessary if positioning flights are required.
UPDATE: Starting August 5, 2014, more cities via staggered schedule will be added as allowed origination/destination airports. The schedule is as follows:
Aug. 5 BDL, DCA, DTW, HOU, LGA, RDU, SDF
Aug. 10 SNA, MKE
Aug. 19 BNA, ORF, PHL, SFO, SJC, SMF, STL
Aug. 26 ALB, BUF, DAY, IND, MCI, MSP, OAK, ROC
Sept. 16 CMH, GRR, ISP, LAX, MHT, PVD, PWM
Sept. 30 DSM, LAS, OKC, PDX, SEA
Oct. 5 ABQ, CAK, CLE, DAL, OMA, SLC
Oct. 28 BOI, FNT, GEG, RNO
Nov. 2 AUS, MDW, SAT
Nov. 11 AMA, CLT, GSP, MSY, ONT
Nov. 18 BHM, CHS, FLL, JAX, LIT, PBI, PHX, RSW, SAN, SJU, TPA, TUS
Dec. 16 CRP, ECP, HRL, ICT, MAF, MEM, PNS, RIC
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Jan 29, 2014, 6:25 pm
#91
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 5,813
Jan 29, 2014, 6:32 pm
#92
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 6,286
Correct, their costs haven't changed, as they were not paying the tax then and are not paying it now.
In addition to an increase in the value of existing points (positive), it also makes elite tier earning now 7.5% harder (negative).
As mentioned previously, those that earn points primarily thru the credit card are the overall greatest beneficiaries.
In addition to an increase in the value of existing points (positive), it also makes elite tier earning now 7.5% harder (negative).
As mentioned previously, those that earn points primarily thru the credit card are the overall greatest beneficiaries.
Jan 29, 2014, 10:37 pm
#93
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: USA
Programs: AC SE100K, F9 100k, NK Gold, UA *S, Hyatt Glob, Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 5,207
7.5% fewer points earned
or 15% fewer points earned (A+)
or 22.5% fewer points earned (A+ w/double points promo)
(22.5%) earning devaluation for butt-in-seat flights
+ (15%) redemption devaluation for wga starting 3/1/14
- 7.5% redemption benefit due to excise tax removal
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= (30%) negative value of these "1st quarter 2014" changes
Jan 30, 2014, 7:40 am
#94
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 586
Not just that, it reduced general (non TQP/non CPQP) earnings by 15% or 22.5%:
7.5% fewer points earned
or 15% fewer points earned (A+)
or 22.5% fewer points earned (A+ w/double points promo)
(22.5%) earning devaluation for butt-in-seat flights
+ (15%) redemption devaluation for wga starting 3/1/14
- 7.5% redemption benefit due to excise tax removal
---------
= (30%) negative value of these "1st quarter 2014" changes
7.5% fewer points earned
or 15% fewer points earned (A+)
or 22.5% fewer points earned (A+ w/double points promo)
(22.5%) earning devaluation for butt-in-seat flights
+ (15%) redemption devaluation for wga starting 3/1/14
- 7.5% redemption benefit due to excise tax removal
---------
= (30%) negative value of these "1st quarter 2014" changes
Jan 31, 2014, 12:02 pm
#96
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: USA
Programs: AC SE100K, F9 100k, NK Gold, UA *S, Hyatt Glob, Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 5,207
An A+ member only feels more of an true impact if they redeem their points for purposes other than travel. Such as converting to gift cards, converting 19,200 points to Airtran, etc.
Last edited by expert7700; Jan 31, 2014 at 12:22 pm
Feb 15, 2014, 6:43 am
#99
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 165
Hmmm. Checking Standard Award availability for international routes generates this:
Oops! The travel funds that you provided are invalid. Please select a different form of payment to complete your booking or contact us at 1-800-I-FLY-SWA (1-800-435-9792) for further assistance. (67111 - 10962)
Oops! The travel funds that you provided are invalid. Please select a different form of payment to complete your booking or contact us at 1-800-I-FLY-SWA (1-800-435-9792) for further assistance. (67111 - 10962)
Feb 15, 2014, 10:31 am
#100
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 5,813
This may be a glitch in the new International Reservation System.
I just checked ATL to AUA it shows Standard Award availibility on July 16. I got to the point of actually booking the flight.
If it were an intentional black out It seems it would indicates no availibility of awards on that flight.
I just checked ATL to AUA it shows Standard Award availibility on July 16. I got to the point of actually booking the flight.
If it were an intentional black out It seems it would indicates no availibility of awards on that flight.
Last edited by rsteinmetz70112; Feb 17, 2014 at 8:36 am
Feb 16, 2014, 11:12 am
#101
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Pittsburgh
Programs: Whoever Has the Best Bonus
Posts: 5,183
Booked PIT-ATL-AUA on July 4th with my points. Thanks for the heads up. $15 in fees on my award ticket of 9600 points -- just slightly more than the PIT-LAS trip I replaced with, and I think I'd rather be in Aruba 
Feb 16, 2014, 1:59 pm
#102
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 6,286
Feb 17, 2014, 1:16 pm
#103
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 6,286
I've not seen this list of non-stop international cities announced officially until now. No mention of which destinations each city will get though. Per WN rep Nicole via Facebook:
Hi Athena - The following U.S. cities will have nonstop service and serve as gateway cities to international destinations: Atlanta, Austin, Baltimore/Washington, Chicago (Midway), Denver, Orange County/Santa Ana, Orlando, Milwaukee, and San Antonio. At this time we are limiting connecting service to international destinations as we roll out new international capabilities across our systems and network. We hope to fully convert the Southwest network to support connecting service to international destinations by the end of 2014, so stay tuned for updates. Thanks for reaching out! -Nicole
Feb 17, 2014, 1:38 pm
#104
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 5,813
Probably not before next year.
Feb 17, 2014, 10:39 pm
#105
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 413
The company is building an int'l terminal at HOU that will be done next year. FLL is also going to be a gateway city from the previously announced (public) list.