SAS pilots on strike in April 2019
Apr 29, 2019, 4:18 am
#196
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One of the big challenges is the number of weekends that pilots work According to the pilots, they can work up to 7 weekends in a row. However, a weekend is defined to start Friday at 4pm and end Monday at 7am. So if the shift ends at 4:30pm on a Friday and the rest of the weekend is time of, it is counted in their 7 weekends in a row statics
Seriously??
By the standard, the only weekends where I don't work would be in connection with taking vacation.
The pilots even acknowledge that is their method of counting.
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/sa...8-16-job-siger
Seriously??
By the standard, the only weekends where I don't work would be in connection with taking vacation.
The pilots even acknowledge that is their method of counting.
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/sa...8-16-job-siger
Apr 29, 2019, 4:32 am
#197
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Demanding a 13% pay hike from a financially struggling employer doesn’t sound like the employees have a lot of concern for their employer’s longer term viability as an employer. If the Norwegian/DY pilots did this kind of thing, it would probably be closer to game over for Norwegian. Are DY pilots even very close to being as comfortable as SK pilots?
Joke a side. DY is really taking advantage of the situation at the moment. On routes where they are in direct competition with SK, they have stopped the sale of flexible tickets some weeks ago, and last Friday I saw a ticket prices as high as 7000 DKK for a flight between CPH and ARN late at night. I doubt SK will do the same if DY was hit by a strike.
Apr 29, 2019, 4:40 am
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With the amount of money DY is loosing every time a plane takes to the air, I'm not sure they wouldn't benefit from their pilots striking. :-)
Joke a side. DY is really taking advantage of the situation at the moment. On routes where they are in direct competition with SK, they have stopped the sale of flexible tickets some weeks ago, and last Friday I saw a ticket prices as high as 7000 DKK for a flight between CPH and ARN late at night. I doubt SK will do the same if DY was hit by a strike.
Joke a side. DY is really taking advantage of the situation at the moment. On routes where they are in direct competition with SK, they have stopped the sale of flexible tickets some weeks ago, and last Friday I saw a ticket prices as high as 7000 DKK for a flight between CPH and ARN late at night. I doubt SK will do the same if DY was hit by a strike.
SAS is also no saint with pricing when supply hits happen in the marketplace and demand to travel is whatever it is.
Apr 29, 2019, 4:45 am
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DY seems to have had higher prices than usual as has the rail trips using SJ, Veolia/Snalltaget and even MTRexpress, but isn’t that to be expected when a big chunk of supply has been taken out and demand is still there needing service from the remaining transport providers?
SAS is also no saint with pricing when supply hits happen in the marketplace and demand to travel is whatever it is.
SAS is also no saint with pricing when supply hits happen in the marketplace and demand to travel is whatever it is.
I'm not at all surprised about the higher prices. But 7K for a none flex ticket on a late night flight CPH-ARN. I haven't ever seen SK seats at this level in Plus on a rush hour flight. If the ticket would have been flexible it would have been ok, but not for a none flex ticket.
Apr 29, 2019, 4:52 am
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Just to let folks know -- the Facebook Messenger interface is the way to go -- at least it was for me.
My flight CPH > SFO SK0935 on 30 April 2019 was just canceled about 50 minutes ago (thanks, TripIt Pro), and after trying to call both the US customer service number (they are closed now) and the number in Denmark (phone tree system is very full), I used the Facebook Messenger system to contact SAS Customer Service.
I am now getting rebooked on Lufthansa in less than 15 minutes, with an earlier departure, with earlier arrival into SFO, with FRA connection.
Very good experience.
I hope everyone else affected has the same luck.
My flight CPH > SFO SK0935 on 30 April 2019 was just canceled about 50 minutes ago (thanks, TripIt Pro), and after trying to call both the US customer service number (they are closed now) and the number in Denmark (phone tree system is very full), I used the Facebook Messenger system to contact SAS Customer Service.
I am now getting rebooked on Lufthansa in less than 15 minutes, with an earlier departure, with earlier arrival into SFO, with FRA connection.
Very good experience.
I hope everyone else affected has the same luck.
Apr 29, 2019, 4:59 am
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Exactly. The first in first out rule is just ridiculous.
My kids school has serious financial trouble and has to cut 20% of the teaching staff. They had to cut according to the Swedish rule, i.e. first in first out. A very qualified teacher was axed because of this and her colleague who is not popular at all gets to stay.
My friend who got stuck at the airport got a night and meal comped by SAS and got on the flight next day to PVG. I do think SK CS is very accommodating during irrop, dealing with them is much better than during with out station ground staff.
My kids school has serious financial trouble and has to cut 20% of the teaching staff. They had to cut according to the Swedish rule, i.e. first in first out. A very qualified teacher was axed because of this and her colleague who is not popular at all gets to stay.
My friend who got stuck at the airport got a night and meal comped by SAS and got on the flight next day to PVG. I do think SK CS is very accommodating during irrop, dealing with them is much better than during with out station ground staff.
Apr 29, 2019, 5:29 am
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SK984 NRT/CPH on 27th, 28th were fully booked out.
Because of the beginning of the 10 days holiday, it was quite hard to rebook SK passengers to another airlines.
I guess, still many Japanese rebooked the flights to 01st.
SK984 on 1st is booked out now.
Apr 29, 2019, 5:32 am
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I'm not at all surprised about the higher prices. But 7K for a none flex ticket on a late night flight CPH-ARN. I haven't ever seen SK seats at this level in Plus on a rush hour flight. If the ticket would have been flexible it would have been ok, but not for a none flex ticket.
DY must really love SK employees going on strike.
Last edited by GUWonder; Apr 29, 2019 at 5:45 am
Apr 29, 2019, 5:46 am
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Only the 30th of April (Abdication Day) and the 1st of May (Enthronement Day) are succession-related holidays, plus the 2nd is a holiday due to being squeezed in between two national holidays. The other days are regular Saturdays and Sundays or holidays which are celebrated every year. For example, today Japan celebrates Hirohito's birthday.
Apr 29, 2019, 6:11 am
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Japan is public holiday from 27Apr till 06May due to the Japan's imperial succession.
SK984 NRT/CPH on 27th, 28th were fully booked out.
Because of the beginning of the 10 days holiday, it was quite hard to rebook SK passengers to another airlines.
I guess, still many Japanese rebooked the flights to 01st.
SK984 on 1st is booked out now.
SK984 NRT/CPH on 27th, 28th were fully booked out.
Because of the beginning of the 10 days holiday, it was quite hard to rebook SK passengers to another airlines.
I guess, still many Japanese rebooked the flights to 01st.
SK984 on 1st is booked out now.
Apr 29, 2019, 6:16 am
#206
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Exactly. The first in first out rule is just ridiculous.
My kids school has serious financial trouble and has to cut 20% of the teaching staff. They had to cut according to the Swedish rule, i.e. first in first out. A very qualified teacher was axed because of this and her colleague who is not popular at all gets to stay.
My friend who got stuck at the airport got a night and meal comped by SAS and got on the flight next day to PVG. I do think SK CS is very accommodating during irrop, dealing with them is much better than during with out station ground staff.
My kids school has serious financial trouble and has to cut 20% of the teaching staff. They had to cut according to the Swedish rule, i.e. first in first out. A very qualified teacher was axed because of this and her colleague who is not popular at all gets to stay.
My friend who got stuck at the airport got a night and meal comped by SAS and got on the flight next day to PVG. I do think SK CS is very accommodating during irrop, dealing with them is much better than during with out station ground staff.
Edit: Corrected from first in/first out to last in/first out
Last edited by highupinthesky; Apr 29, 2019 at 9:27 am
Apr 29, 2019, 6:33 am
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Apr 29, 2019, 6:38 am
#208
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Anyway, it doesn't matter booked out or not on 4th, 5th 6th.
This is not the point on my message.
Apr 29, 2019, 6:41 am
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Isn’t it rather last in, first out?
Originally Posted by https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Protection_Act_(of_Sweden)
The Employment Protection act regulates Termination of employment and minimum notice times, priority of rehiring, and lawful reasons for termination (restricted to redundancy and personal reasons like misconduct). In case of termination due to redundancy, the law requires workplaces to fire their personal according to a list of seniority (Swedish: turordningslista). Given similar tasks, the last employee to be hired will be the first to be fired. In the case of similar age amongst employees, priority is given to older employees.
Apr 29, 2019, 6:49 am
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