SAS pilots on strike in April 2019
May 1, 2019, 2:22 am
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This unpaid leave can also be used in other situations. When a shipbuilder doesn't have any new contracts, but might get one some months ahead, the employees might be sent on unpaid leave, yhe logic being that it is cheaper and better for society to pay unemployment benefits for a period, rather than having the company go bankrupt, which might be mor expensive for society and the common purse.
May 1, 2019, 2:26 am
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This argument would have more strength, if the CEO of SAS hadn't himself gotten a 35 % rise for turning the airline around. Hypocrisy like that does not go down well in Scandinavia.
The backstory for the very high demand for a raise is that the pilots, as well as other employees (including the CEO) accepted cuts in salary and benefits in order to help SAS avoid bankrupcy. Unlike the CEO who was given a 35 % raise in 2016 (by a board whose members had their remuneration raised by 40 - 60 %) this has not been compensated for. Now that SAS is on a much stronger economical footing, the pilots demand to get back on track salarywise, as the CEO himself has done. Obviously (as the main reason for the strike isn't tha salaries, but working conditoions) the salary demand can (and will) be negotiated downwards in proper mediation. Unfortunately, the very well-paid SAS CEO has done nothing constructively to stop the strike. On the contrary, he has been quoted in the media, that the pilots should stop the strike, without making any signals of wanting to restart negotiations, loooking to the public just like a petulant child, and certainly nothing like a successful CEO.
The backstory for the very high demand for a raise is that the pilots, as well as other employees (including the CEO) accepted cuts in salary and benefits in order to help SAS avoid bankrupcy. Unlike the CEO who was given a 35 % raise in 2016 (by a board whose members had their remuneration raised by 40 - 60 %) this has not been compensated for. Now that SAS is on a much stronger economical footing, the pilots demand to get back on track salarywise, as the CEO himself has done. Obviously (as the main reason for the strike isn't tha salaries, but working conditoions) the salary demand can (and will) be negotiated downwards in proper mediation. Unfortunately, the very well-paid SAS CEO has done nothing constructively to stop the strike. On the contrary, he has been quoted in the media, that the pilots should stop the strike, without making any signals of wanting to restart negotiations, loooking to the public just like a petulant child, and certainly nothing like a successful CEO.
In situations like this I don't believe any news stories about the negotiations and stand points. It's all spin to win the public vote.
May 1, 2019, 2:30 am
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That predates the move in late 2018 by the UK toward enforcing action against Ryanair for claiming strike-impacted passengers weren’t covered due to “extraordinary circumstances.
And Ryanair is claiming in its defense in the UK that courts in Italy, Spain and Germany have already determined that “extraordinary circumstances” apply to strikes writ large. This is despite the fact that the EC’s considered revisions to EC 261/2004 was done with the idea that not all strikes would be considered “extraordinary circumstances” and to have more explicit language in this regard making that more clear.
Courts siding with consumers over companies and unions in this area? I would hazard a guess and say not likely at the national levels at least in places where unions and union membership are strong and more popularly well regarded or relevant to the working majority.
May 1, 2019, 2:31 am
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Negotiatons restart
I saw stories in the Danish News yesterday and the day before that SAS has invited the pilots to new negotiations, but the pilots refuses and what SAS to give in to some of their demands first.
In situations like this I don't believe any news stories about the negotiations and stand points. It's all spin to win the public vote.
In situations like this I don't believe any news stories about the negotiations and stand points. It's all spin to win the public vote.
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/..._content=row-1
May 1, 2019, 2:53 am
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Representatives for the unions from all three countries are present for the official negotiatons in Oslo. Odds should be good for the strike ending within the next 24 hours (Norwegian mediations seem by tradition to be an all-night affair. No, they don't serve booze)
May 1, 2019, 2:57 am
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This is great news for everyone except those of us flying tomorrow. I suppose this will seriously delay SK cancelling flights, making the window between cancellation/rebooking of my 8AM departure smaller and smaller... Would like to be able to relax knowing either I will fly as scheduled or have a new itinerary...
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May 1, 2019, 2:59 am
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Needing time to recall crew and repositioning aircraft, strike rebooking procedures will probably still be in place.
May 1, 2019, 3:09 am
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This argument would have more strength, if the CEO of SAS hadn't himself gotten a 35 % rise for turning the airline around. Hypocrisy like that does not go down well in Scandinavia.
The backstory for the very high demand for a raise is that the pilots, as well as other employees (including the CEO) accepted cuts in salary and benefits in order to help SAS avoid bankrupcy. Unlike the CEO who was given a 35 % raise in 2016 (by a board whose members had their remuneration raised by 40 - 60 %) this has not been compensated for. Now that SAS is on a much stronger economical footing, the pilots demand to get back on track salarywise, as the CEO himself has done. Obviously (as the main reason for the strike isn't tha salaries, but working conditoions) the salary demand can (and will) be negotiated downwards in proper mediation. Unfortunately, the very well-paid SAS CEO has done nothing constructively to stop the strike. On the contrary, he has been quoted in the media, that the pilots should stop the strike, without making any signals of wanting to restart negotiations, loooking to the public just like a petulant child, and certainly nothing like a successful CEO.
The backstory for the very high demand for a raise is that the pilots, as well as other employees (including the CEO) accepted cuts in salary and benefits in order to help SAS avoid bankrupcy. Unlike the CEO who was given a 35 % raise in 2016 (by a board whose members had their remuneration raised by 40 - 60 %) this has not been compensated for. Now that SAS is on a much stronger economical footing, the pilots demand to get back on track salarywise, as the CEO himself has done. Obviously (as the main reason for the strike isn't tha salaries, but working conditoions) the salary demand can (and will) be negotiated downwards in proper mediation. Unfortunately, the very well-paid SAS CEO has done nothing constructively to stop the strike. On the contrary, he has been quoted in the media, that the pilots should stop the strike, without making any signals of wanting to restart negotiations, loooking to the public just like a petulant child, and certainly nothing like a successful CEO.
May 1, 2019, 3:22 am
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Yeah - I am sure my flights will still be cancelled, but I imagine SAS will delay cancellation notices for a while while the talks start. Until then, I guess I have to stay near a computer.
May 1, 2019, 3:38 am
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It depends where you are flying from. Inside EU should be back to normal within 24 hours. Long haul is a different story as all out stationed crew returned to their home base earlier this week, so there are no crew available for the first return flights. To my knowledge the crew can't travel as passengers on the outbound flight and then do the return flight as crew a couple of hours later.
May 1, 2019, 4:53 am
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Re: TK at HKG. When a flight gets cancelled at T-24 or less, IATA airlines can push the pax in distress to another IATA airline. If the airline is associated, either thru an alliance or a bilateral then SAS doesn't have to ask for an endorsement but pushes straightaway. The reason behind that is the availability show to partners should be free of oversell fluff. OAL is different, SAS would have call a contact at say BA or AY and politely ask if there is still space before booking the segment. Alternatively SAS could have made reprotection agreements days in advance if they knew the flights would cancel.then the operating carrier would get more revenue than what the irreg booking gives them (usually the residual pro rated fare amount of that segment in the ticket).
TK ist Out of Line for treating you like that, they know that one day this could happen to them...
TK ist Out of Line for treating you like that, they know that one day this could happen to them...
May 1, 2019, 5:08 am
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SAS has announced locally in Norway that they have cancelled departures up to 14.00 tomorrow (May 2), but that they expect a resolution of the conflict through the mediation going on.
May 1, 2019, 5:35 am
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All SAS mainline operated flights has been canceled up to 14:00 tomorrow. Not just local flights in Norway.
May 1, 2019, 6:19 am
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May 1, 2019, 6:36 am
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