Qantas International & Domestic grounded
Oct 30, 2011, 6:28 am
#451
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I think you are right, but some CEO's (LH, BA, AC, QF) love to moan about how much EK is subsidized... But I have never seen any hard evidence about these subsides...
Oct 30, 2011, 6:31 am
#452
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.. Are they stranded? Were they off-loaded to BA, TG and others? (Note QF1 never left SYD, so it's only one plane of passengers)
Oct 30, 2011, 6:34 am
#453
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Any empathy for passengers who have had to endure the "union cause" over the past 8 weeks?
Oct 30, 2011, 6:37 am
#454
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As far as Emirates goes on paper it operates on a "level" playing field BUT the government owns the airline, owns the airport, owns the fuel supplier, owns everything
I'm guessing the same with EY. Gulf Air is the only commercially operated carrier in the region and look how its coping to keep up - its been dwarfed by EK and EY.
Silly QF CEO made a rash hasty decision, you give people notice!!!-there are old, sick, disabled, bereaved, babies and young children out there stranded. It's an unforgivable action and hope he pays the price somehow.
Australian government and its open skies policy cant be helping either...how do you compete with triple and double daily's by yr rivals operating at a lower cost base and offering lower airfares? Why not a teeny bit of protection? Look what Canadian Govt did to Etihad and Emirates..told them to go jump in the lake when they wanted more slots threatening Air Canada to the point of a diplomatic spat now causing Canadians to apply for a visa at $200 if they want to travel to the UAE-that's gutsy!
This never should have happened and if it had to be "the [grounding] we had to have" - be decent and professional and give people some warning.
I'm currently disgusted with this sudden grounding as a QF FF and am looking at my plat Virgin card (status matched) with extraordinary comfort.
My 2 cents
CJ
I'm guessing the same with EY. Gulf Air is the only commercially operated carrier in the region and look how its coping to keep up - its been dwarfed by EK and EY.
Silly QF CEO made a rash hasty decision, you give people notice!!!-there are old, sick, disabled, bereaved, babies and young children out there stranded. It's an unforgivable action and hope he pays the price somehow.
Australian government and its open skies policy cant be helping either...how do you compete with triple and double daily's by yr rivals operating at a lower cost base and offering lower airfares? Why not a teeny bit of protection? Look what Canadian Govt did to Etihad and Emirates..told them to go jump in the lake when they wanted more slots threatening Air Canada to the point of a diplomatic spat now causing Canadians to apply for a visa at $200 if they want to travel to the UAE-that's gutsy!
This never should have happened and if it had to be "the [grounding] we had to have" - be decent and professional and give people some warning.
I'm currently disgusted with this sudden grounding as a QF FF and am looking at my plat Virgin card (status matched) with extraordinary comfort.
My 2 cents
CJ
Oct 30, 2011, 6:42 am
#455
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A lot of difference between job security and a job for life.
Oct 30, 2011, 6:46 am
#456
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Oct 30, 2011, 6:48 am
#457
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Oct 30, 2011, 6:49 am
#458
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The grounding would have come in while QF2 was 3 hours out of BKK. They should have been directed to HKG or SIN. At that point in the flight and the reserve fuel they are required to carry, the flight should have been able to divert to either Asian port.
Oct 30, 2011, 6:52 am
#459
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annoying comment via the age on line... customer stranded by qantas says they (qantas) have done a great job looking after them by paying for meals and accommodation etc... then they go on to say that they hope the insurance companies are just as forthcoming.
so now all Australians according to this guy are expected (through higher insurance premiums) to cover the actions of the qantas board?
insurance is not there to cover matters such as this. qantas is rightly (probably legally) making the arrangements necessary to feed, accommodate and transport passengers home. this is not a matter for insurance companies!
as for the nationalization argument... there was a good point made by another doctor via the age... he was going to read cancer scans and qf is the only airline capable of carrying isotopes... he now can't do that. this is a reason why if nationalization occurs, it should be for the whole business, including vital domestic services linking remote areas.
so now all Australians according to this guy are expected (through higher insurance premiums) to cover the actions of the qantas board?
insurance is not there to cover matters such as this. qantas is rightly (probably legally) making the arrangements necessary to feed, accommodate and transport passengers home. this is not a matter for insurance companies!
as for the nationalization argument... there was a good point made by another doctor via the age... he was going to read cancer scans and qf is the only airline capable of carrying isotopes... he now can't do that. this is a reason why if nationalization occurs, it should be for the whole business, including vital domestic services linking remote areas.
Oct 30, 2011, 6:52 am
#460
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That's mostly to do with their being able to get discounts from Airbus under EU trade laws which the European carriers can't.
Oct 30, 2011, 7:05 am
#462
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Bad management has made it (Qantas) an under-performer for years.
Oct 30, 2011, 7:10 am
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Last edited by willyroo; Oct 30, 2011 at 8:48 pm