Qantas International & Domestic grounded
Oct 30, 2011, 5:14 am
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Oct 30, 2011, 5:32 am
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well there was some suggestion to just nationalize the international arm... the loss making one. why just do that? take over the whole thing or nothing.
and where are these losses coming from? diverted flights that can't make it to Australia from Dallas? payout(s) following price fixing on cargo? not getting the fleet right? diminish benefits for frequent flyers to alienate them?
company stuffs up, then greed drives it to lower costs to cover the money they wasted in the first place.
and where are these losses coming from? diverted flights that can't make it to Australia from Dallas? payout(s) following price fixing on cargo? not getting the fleet right? diminish benefits for frequent flyers to alienate them?
company stuffs up, then greed drives it to lower costs to cover the money they wasted in the first place.
Simple, lets just drop kick the unions and be done with it.
Oct 30, 2011, 5:37 am
#438
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The point trying to be made is not about a Union v Management battle. The point is that having a national flag carrier serving in the national interest is beneficial longer-term. Remember also CBA and Telstra only really face domestic competition. Qantas has a national interest in a global arena where it is competing on an unlevel playing field.
Oct 30, 2011, 5:41 am
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It strikes me (no pun intended) that one of the real issues behind all of the union's demands (and it would seem, many of the Australian public feel similarrly) is keeping the airline 'Australian'. AJ seems to think that the future lies in Asia. I don't know either way, but what I DO know is that these days you have to compete globally. Nationalising the airline seems to me like a solution stuck back about 40 years ago, which is also where union attitudes seem to be.
Ultimately, if the end game is that Australia no longer has QF as their national carrier, then so be it. If people love QF so much, why not buy tickets on QF instead of on Etihad or Emirates?
I'm sure Virgin Australia would love to be the flag carrier.
Ultimately, though, what Alan Joyce is doing is saving Qantas and saving Australian jobs from unions that want to buury their heads an deny globalisation.
Ultimately, if the end game is that Australia no longer has QF as their national carrier, then so be it. If people love QF so much, why not buy tickets on QF instead of on Etihad or Emirates?
I'm sure Virgin Australia would love to be the flag carrier.
Ultimately, though, what Alan Joyce is doing is saving Qantas and saving Australian jobs from unions that want to buury their heads an deny globalisation.
Oct 30, 2011, 5:42 am
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In fact, I've seen the heads of all three unions state in interviews that it's not about pay - it's about job security.
Well, it's time to live in the real World......no job for life here or anywhere else
Oct 30, 2011, 5:55 am
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Pilots finished final submissions, now the engineers.
great twitter feeds from @latikambourke and @leigh_howard
many thanks.
Pilots seem to be running a line that even if engineers, baggage actions are terminated theres should be only suspended.
30hrs later. Gillard could have stopped this all at 3pm yesterday.
great twitter feeds from @latikambourke and @leigh_howard
many thanks.
Pilots seem to be running a line that even if engineers, baggage actions are terminated theres should be only suspended.
30hrs later. Gillard could have stopped this all at 3pm yesterday.
Oct 30, 2011, 5:55 am
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The point trying to be made is not about a Union v Management battle. The point is that having a national flag carrier serving in the national interest is beneficial longer-term. Remember also CBA and Telstra only really face domestic competition. Qantas has a national interest in a global arena where it is competing on an unlevel playing field.
Vodafone - UK based & foreign owned
Forgot how many foreign owned banks operate in Aus corporate sector - but it's more than a couple.
The last thing this country needs is a government run airline.....they can't even put pink batts in a ceiling
Oct 30, 2011, 5:59 am
#443
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But Julia said she will fix it! She definitely can!!!!!!
Oct 30, 2011, 6:00 am
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Pilots finished final submissions, now the engineers.
great twitter feeds from @latikambourke and @leigh_howard
many thanks.
Pilots seem to be running a line that even if engineers, baggage actions are terminated theres should be only suspended.
30hrs later. Gillard could have stopped this all at 3pm yesterday.
great twitter feeds from @latikambourke and @leigh_howard
many thanks.
Pilots seem to be running a line that even if engineers, baggage actions are terminated theres should be only suspended.
30hrs later. Gillard could have stopped this all at 3pm yesterday.
At least Hawke had the balls to say bugger off to the Pilots - in fact it was probably the easiest call he had to make.
Last edited by amaroo; Oct 30, 2011 at 6:09 am
Oct 30, 2011, 6:05 am
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She could have and should have. But she won't because she is weak and shouldn't be PM in the first place.
Which aircraft are where?
There is a breakdown on theqantassource.com, but their list totals 131 aircraft at 19 airports, not the 108 at 22 reported in the media.
Which aircraft are where?
There is a breakdown on theqantassource.com, but their list totals 131 aircraft at 19 airports, not the 108 at 22 reported in the media.
Oct 30, 2011, 6:08 am
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the question was raised earlier, but I'm not sure if anyone else had some input...
I have an award ticket on qf, issued on AA stock.
the qf website talks about 081 issued tickets, but also mentions tickets validated to other carriers (non 081)... my understanding is that does not cover award tickets? AA has issued the ticket... so it is the same as a travel agent for all intents and purposes is that right?
is my discussion going to have to be held with AA or qf for an alternative? I am booked in first ex Asia... the only other carrier able to get me all the way home in my class of service is going to be sq first/suites.
I have an award ticket on qf, issued on AA stock.
the qf website talks about 081 issued tickets, but also mentions tickets validated to other carriers (non 081)... my understanding is that does not cover award tickets? AA has issued the ticket... so it is the same as a travel agent for all intents and purposes is that right?
is my discussion going to have to be held with AA or qf for an alternative? I am booked in first ex Asia... the only other carrier able to get me all the way home in my class of service is going to be sq first/suites.
Oct 30, 2011, 6:10 am
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Earlier today I could book flights for Tuesday on qantas.com
Now it's only for Wed onwards flights...
Now it's only for Wed onwards flights...
Oct 30, 2011, 6:18 am
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I am currently in the process of writing a letter to QANTAS stating that even though I don't support the recent actions of the Unions, or their claims, the grounding was a ridiculously over-the-top reaction showing nothing but contempt for its customers and employees.
I feel particularly bad for any travellers who were in transit when this whole thing went down. The mind boggles at how parents of any unaccompanied minors must be feeling.
Personally I won't pay another cent to QANTAS so long as Joyce is running the place. The risk of him throwing another tantrum is simply not worth it. I hope to see some class-action suits out of this debacle, ideally legal action aimed directly at Joyce & upper management, rather than the company as a whole (though I imagine that isn't possible).
I feel particularly bad for any travellers who were in transit when this whole thing went down. The mind boggles at how parents of any unaccompanied minors must be feeling.
Personally I won't pay another cent to QANTAS so long as Joyce is running the place. The risk of him throwing another tantrum is simply not worth it. I hope to see some class-action suits out of this debacle, ideally legal action aimed directly at Joyce & upper management, rather than the company as a whole (though I imagine that isn't possible).
Oct 30, 2011, 6:22 am
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He'll be pulled into line pretty soon, but he's caused serious damage to the brand - I wouldn't be buying tickets with that airline again for a while, and I thank god that I don't have shares in the company. They'll be useful as toilet paper for a long time, that's about all.
Oct 30, 2011, 6:22 am
#450
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I am currently in the process of writing a letter to QANTAS stating that even though I don't support the recent actions of the Unions, or their claims, the grounding was a ridiculously over-the-top reaction showing nothing but contempt for its customers and employees.
I feel particularly bad for any travellers who were in transit when this whole thing went down. The mind boggles at how parents of any unaccompanied minors must be feeling.
Personally I won't pay another cent to QANTAS so long as Joyce is running the place. The risk of him throwing another tantrum is simply not worth it. I hope to see some class-action suits out of this debacle, ideally legal action aimed directly at Joyce & upper management, rather than the company as a whole (though I imagine that isn't possible).
I feel particularly bad for any travellers who were in transit when this whole thing went down. The mind boggles at how parents of any unaccompanied minors must be feeling.
Personally I won't pay another cent to QANTAS so long as Joyce is running the place. The risk of him throwing another tantrum is simply not worth it. I hope to see some class-action suits out of this debacle, ideally legal action aimed directly at Joyce & upper management, rather than the company as a whole (though I imagine that isn't possible).