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Old Apr 30, 2016, 12:36 pm
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OCTOBER 2016 UPDATE

LAX-JFK TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHTS:
Recent fare rule inclusions, effective October 2016, now prevent any routing via JFK on the non-stop transcontinental A321T aircraft. Any future booking will demand a significantly higher fare to route on the non-stops via JFK. Unless the fare rules are modified and these clauses are removed (highly doubtful), the ability to fly on the transcons via JFK is a thing of the past.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN LAX AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.

1. Same day turns possible on the E-jets and morning 738s.

2. Bonuses now based on fare paid.

3. As of OCTOBER 2016, best fares are now around $1000. Fare tends to rise a few hundred for 2 pax. Fares can also occasionally rise for no discernible reason, but the price spikes have thus far proven to be temporary. Fares have the trend to drop during the year. Keep checking for fares in the $700-$800 ranges for best possible pricing.

4. Airport hotels with shuttles - Crowne Plaza Panama Airport & Riande Aeropuerto. The CP is slightly closer; the Riande is slightly nicer. The CP shuttle leaves the hotel every :00 and :30 and runs 24 hours but they seem to leave a few minutes early as it had left when I went down at 4:00AM on the dot. Also, note UberX charges a US$14 surcharge on top of the ~US$2 fare. CP has poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbors on both sides including talking, crying baby etc. Had to wear earplugs to sleep.

5. Lounges:

Please refer to this thread for more detailed and accurate information on lounge access in general: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1656378-help-desk-will-i-have-lounge-access-access-rules-2016-a.html
LAX AIRPORT

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. PTY is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from PTY unless booking transcons since PTY is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.


AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the PTY flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Technically NONE (PTY under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>

AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from PTY. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>

AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from PTY on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>

NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>



OTHER AIRPORTS

SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
PTY - No lounge access (Copa with PP, or for a fee, for 7am or later flights)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)


6. PTY Customs:
Inbound to PTY -
  • 12 noon - no lines reported
  • 8PM Fri (5/27/16) - ~10 min line

Outbound to MIA -
  • 4:40am - no lines reported
7. Finding flights:

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

If you want the transcon bonus, enter the search with a connection in JFK. (e.g. LAX-JFK,JFK-MIA,MIA-PTY,PTY-JFK,JFK-SFO.) You can play around from there to get the best deal. Some of the better deals do not start and end in the same city (e.g. start in LAX, end in SFO may be cheaper than start/end in LAX).

Also, it's possible on the outbound portion to time it so you have no more than a 60-minute layover at JFK or MIA (though note that some of these flights aren't available on weekends). While yes, JFK is notorious for delays, this rarely applies for inbound red-eye flights. Also, note that AA 28 below is sometimes "hidden" if you're looking on Google Flights inside a much more expensive trip; that does not necessarily mean, however, that you can't get it for one of the trips under $1,000 (in other words, try it out to see).

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

Below is the shortest-possible outbound itinerary that has the LAX-JFK transcon on AA's A321T with flat-bed seats:

LAX-JFK on AA 28
10:45pm - 7:22am

JFK-MIA on AA 200
8:15am - 11:24am
(Note: AA has now switched all of the metal it used on this leg - on all JFK-MIA nonstops - to 757s instead of the 767s with international-style F & J seating.)***767 and 772 are back. Flight 200 is a 772**

MIA-PTY on AA 4434
12:33pm - 2:48pm
(Note: Even more distressingly, AA switched from using a 737 on this leg to an RJ, presumably because summer is off-peak season in Central America. The 6:05pm flight still uses a 737 if a full-size aircraft is a must.)
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 2:06 pm
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Originally Posted by TAPAL10
Finally, as I understand I should have no problem accessing the FL lounges in LAX and JFK as EXP as this is an international flight - I thought I saw someone question this?
As long as the international leg is on the same day as you are trying to access the lounge you can get into the FL. I got turned down earlier this week because my international legs were the previous evening and I had stayed overnight at LAX, before my ongoing domestic flights.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 4:45 pm
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Thanks for all the replies, everyone. Yeah, I'm on one of those brutal Asian trips now. I live here though, so I make the trips a lot anyway (so not true quick turn MR's). And, yes... looking at PTY to give myself a break from Economy (though i did use a SWU DFW-HKG a couple weeks ago) and a change of scenery for a few days...

cheers.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 4:52 pm
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Originally Posted by chitink
Regarding the copa club this is what the website states:

The following passengers are eligible to enjoy our Copa Clubs by showing their boarding pass for an international flight departing on the same calendar day:
Business Class passengers and/or ConnectMiles PreferMember Gold, Platinum and Presidential Platinum members traveling in Copa Airlines.
Star Alliance Gold status passengers on international flights with Star Alliance member airlines.
Passengers traveling in Business Class or in First Class on international flights with Star Alliance member airlines.
United Club members *
Priority Pass cardholders **
Passengers who purchased day passes at the club
Club Acela cardholders
KLM and Air France passengers traveling in Business Class ***
KLM and Air France passengers who are Flying Blue members with Flying Blue Platinum and Gold Elite Plus ***

Guys there shouldn't be any further questioning of this - Me and at least 2 others used this lounge just this past weekend, and PP was 100% fine. There's a time during the day (peak times) where they do not let PP people in, but otherwise its a full PP lounge as well as the landside lounge.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 5:43 pm
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Originally Posted by IWontRegretThis
Guys there shouldn't be any further questioning of this - Me and at least 2 others used this lounge just this past weekend, and PP was 100% fine. There's a time during the day (peak times) where they do not let PP people in, but otherwise its a full PP lounge as well as the landside lounge.
Here's PP's take on it. Exactly what you said.

https://www.prioritypass.com/lounges...0-3b0c19c38248
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 7:31 pm
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Originally Posted by TAPAL10

Finally, as I understand I should have no problem accessing the FL lounges in LAX and JFK as EXP as this is an international flight - I thought I saw someone question this?
Most likely not at LAX. Lounge access on international trips is allowed on the leg prior to or following the international leg. JFK on the outbound is possible, but not on the return.

  • A First Class customer with a same-day (or before 6 a.m. the following day) itinerary that includes a qualifying international* or 3-class transcontinental flight marketed and operated by American or a oneworld® airline
  • An AAdvantage® Executive Platinum member (regardless of cabin flown) departing or connecting to a qualifying international* flight marketed and operated by American or a oneworld airline
  • A oneworld® EmeraldSM customer** (regardless of cabin flown) departing or connecting to any flight marketed and operated by American or a oneworld airline
*Qualifying international cities include flights to or from Europe, Asia, Central and South America, Australia and Mexico City only. All other international destinations are excluded from this benefit.

** American Airlines AAdvantage Executive Platinum customers traveling solely on North American itineraries do not qualify for Flagship Lounge access. North America is defined as U.S. (including Hawaii and Alaska), Canada, Mexico (except Mexico City), Bermuda, the Bahamas and the Caribbean.

Customers traveling on airline industry non-revenue tickets are not eligible for access
http://www.aa.com/i18n/travelInforma...hipLounges.jsp

If you were OWE from another carrier then you would have access at both LAX and JFK.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 7:59 pm
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Originally Posted by skunker
Most likely not at LAX. Lounge access on international trips is allowed on the leg prior to or following the international leg. JFK on the outbound is possible, but not on the return.


http://www.aa.com/i18n/travelInforma...hipLounges.jsp

If you were OWE from another carrier then you would have access at both LAX and JFK.
When I did this route in first on the transcon we got FL when I did this route in business on the transcon we got AC access. It didn't seem to matter much re: the PTY class for the difference.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 9:50 pm
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Originally Posted by chitink
When I did this route in first on the transcon we got FL when I did this route in business on the transcon we got AC access. It didn't seem to matter much re: the PTY class for the difference.
Which is correct and is not what TAPAL10 was saying. The LAX-JFK transcon is special in that anyone without status will get lounge access based upon the class of service of they fly.

The question is what happens when you try to use your AA status to gain access to the FL.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 10:39 pm
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I'm going to give it a shot in April, and hope someone else does before me and reports back. I'm guessing they won't have success, but it's worth a shot. Especially as the 6am wording only appears on the class-based access and not on the EXP/OWE wording. I would imagine that it applies to both, but who knows... The first class wording talks about an itinerary that includes a qualifying flight, and the status-based access talks about connecting to a qualifying flight.

Technically, it could be read as LAX-JFK-MIA is connecting to MIA-PTY, but good luck convincing the FL desk agent that if they say no. Definitely open to interpretation.

Central American is considered "international" for lounge access purposes.

A First Class customer with a same-day (or before 6 a.m. the following day) itinerary that includes a qualifying international* or 3-class transcontinental flight marketed and operated by American or a oneworld® airline
An AAdvantage® Executive Platinum member (regardless of cabin flown) departing or connecting to a qualifying international* flight marketed and operated by American or a oneworld airline
A oneworld® EmeraldSM customer** (regardless of cabin flown) departing or connecting to any flight marketed and operated by American or a oneworld airline
*Qualifying international cities include flights to or from Europe, Asia, Central and South America, Australia and Mexico City only. All other international destinations are excluded from this benefit.

** American Airlines AAdvantage Executive Platinum customers traveling solely on North American itineraries do not qualify for Flagship Lounge access. North America is defined as U.S. (including Hawaii and Alaska), Canada, Mexico (except Mexico City), Bermuda, the Bahamas and the Caribbean.

Customers traveling on airline industry non-revenue tickets are not eligible for access
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Old Feb 11, 2016, 6:49 am
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Originally Posted by skunker
Which is correct and is not what TAPAL10 was saying. The LAX-JFK transcon is special in that anyone without status will get lounge access based upon the class of service of they fly.

The question is what happens when you try to use your AA status to gain access to the FL.
To further clarify, my fiancé is EXP and still didn't get access when in biz on the transcon.
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Old Feb 11, 2016, 12:00 pm
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Originally Posted by chitink
To further clarify, my fiancé is EXP and still didn't get access when in biz on the transcon.
I only got access on my first legs, as I upgraded the outbound LAX-JFK to F. Otherwise I was told admirals clubs access only.
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Old Feb 11, 2016, 1:51 pm
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Originally Posted by IWontRegretThis
I only got access on my first legs, as I upgraded the outbound LAX-JFK to F. Otherwise I was told admirals clubs access only.
The way I read it, you should have gotten FL access in JFK (at least on the outbound - not sure what your return itinerary would look like). You're connecting to a qualifying international flight there, and it's same-day (JFK-MIA-PTY).
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Old Feb 11, 2016, 3:15 pm
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I've been trying to figure out a routing for the MIA-MDE/BOG-MIA (would prefer Columbia over Panama) using LAN/TAM and their lie flat product on those legs. Closest I've found is $1100 (LAX/SFO-JFK-MIA-BOG-MIA-NYC-LAX/SFO) but I haven't looked at many dates. Lie flat in each segment.

I'm not experienced - is it a lost cause trying to find sub-$900 tickets with this routing since it's not all on AA?
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Old Feb 12, 2016, 9:28 pm
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FWIW... I'm doing this trip starting tonight from LAX. Initially, the agent told me I would only have access to the AC. I told her that I was connecting to PTY "in the morning" (trying not to start yet another conversation about MRs)... She seemed to think that explanation was sufficient enough and gave me a card to the FL. So it seems by default you can only access the AC because of transcon on business since the connecting international flight is beyond the 6 AM window. But if you get an agent that doesn't look too hard at your itinerary, you might get lucky
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Old Feb 13, 2016, 12:13 am
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I'm scheduled to fly out in March on a solo trip. My wife is pregnant and freaked out about Zika, so I'v got to cancel. Called AA, but they will only give refund if pregnant person is traveling with you. Anyone had the same issue and had success in getting a refund? Change fee is $300, so that's a pretty crappy option.
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Old Feb 13, 2016, 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by pdxparse
I've been trying to figure out a routing for the MIA-MDE/BOG-MIA (would prefer Columbia over Panama) using LAN/TAM and their lie flat product on those legs. Closest I've found is $1100 (LAX/SFO-JFK-MIA-BOG-MIA-NYC-LAX/SFO) but I haven't looked at many dates. Lie flat in each segment.

I'm not experienced - is it a lost cause trying to find sub-$900 tickets with this routing since it's not all on AA?
Are your LAN/TAM legs on AA codeshares? If not, I think you will miss out on some EQM's versus flying on AA.
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