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Old Apr 30, 2016, 12:36 pm
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OCTOBER 2016 UPDATE

LAX-JFK TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHTS:
Recent fare rule inclusions, effective October 2016, now prevent any routing via JFK on the non-stop transcontinental A321T aircraft. Any future booking will demand a significantly higher fare to route on the non-stops via JFK. Unless the fare rules are modified and these clauses are removed (highly doubtful), the ability to fly on the transcons via JFK is a thing of the past.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN LAX AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.

1. Same day turns possible on the E-jets and morning 738s.

2. Bonuses now based on fare paid.

3. As of OCTOBER 2016, best fares are now around $1000. Fare tends to rise a few hundred for 2 pax. Fares can also occasionally rise for no discernible reason, but the price spikes have thus far proven to be temporary. Fares have the trend to drop during the year. Keep checking for fares in the $700-$800 ranges for best possible pricing.

4. Airport hotels with shuttles - Crowne Plaza Panama Airport & Riande Aeropuerto. The CP is slightly closer; the Riande is slightly nicer. The CP shuttle leaves the hotel every :00 and :30 and runs 24 hours but they seem to leave a few minutes early as it had left when I went down at 4:00AM on the dot. Also, note UberX charges a US$14 surcharge on top of the ~US$2 fare. CP has poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbors on both sides including talking, crying baby etc. Had to wear earplugs to sleep.

5. Lounges:

Please refer to this thread for more detailed and accurate information on lounge access in general: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1656378-help-desk-will-i-have-lounge-access-access-rules-2016-a.html
LAX AIRPORT

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. PTY is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from PTY unless booking transcons since PTY is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.


AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the PTY flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Technically NONE (PTY under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>

AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from PTY. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>

AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from PTY on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>

NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>



OTHER AIRPORTS

SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
PTY - No lounge access (Copa with PP, or for a fee, for 7am or later flights)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)


6. PTY Customs:
Inbound to PTY -
  • 12 noon - no lines reported
  • 8PM Fri (5/27/16) - ~10 min line

Outbound to MIA -
  • 4:40am - no lines reported
7. Finding flights:

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

If you want the transcon bonus, enter the search with a connection in JFK. (e.g. LAX-JFK,JFK-MIA,MIA-PTY,PTY-JFK,JFK-SFO.) You can play around from there to get the best deal. Some of the better deals do not start and end in the same city (e.g. start in LAX, end in SFO may be cheaper than start/end in LAX).

Also, it's possible on the outbound portion to time it so you have no more than a 60-minute layover at JFK or MIA (though note that some of these flights aren't available on weekends). While yes, JFK is notorious for delays, this rarely applies for inbound red-eye flights. Also, note that AA 28 below is sometimes "hidden" if you're looking on Google Flights inside a much more expensive trip; that does not necessarily mean, however, that you can't get it for one of the trips under $1,000 (in other words, try it out to see).

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

Below is the shortest-possible outbound itinerary that has the LAX-JFK transcon on AA's A321T with flat-bed seats:

LAX-JFK on AA 28
10:45pm - 7:22am

JFK-MIA on AA 200
8:15am - 11:24am
(Note: AA has now switched all of the metal it used on this leg - on all JFK-MIA nonstops - to 757s instead of the 767s with international-style F & J seating.)***767 and 772 are back. Flight 200 is a 772**

MIA-PTY on AA 4434
12:33pm - 2:48pm
(Note: Even more distressingly, AA switched from using a 737 on this leg to an RJ, presumably because summer is off-peak season in Central America. The 6:05pm flight still uses a 737 if a full-size aircraft is a must.)
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Old Feb 9, 2016, 6:16 pm
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Originally Posted by beyounged
visa is not much of a concern for me, just very anxious if I should do this in March or in fall to connect with my South America trip. CCS is a difficult place to position into tho, I have to admit. I am just not very well-informed about the change in AA's FFP.
I'm not sure I understand. You would have to "position" to SFO or LAX for one of these fares, not position to CCS.

And if you're planning on doing this in March, a visa should be a concern for you unless you have one already. If you are a US Citizen, "According to the website of the Venezuelan Embassy in Washington, U.S. citizens should plan to apply for a visa three months in advance of travel."

http://caracas.usembassy.gov/m-visa-...update-15.html

There's a thread on FT specifically for AA's FFP changes, and plenty of blog information online. I would read all that, and then decide for yourself if the timing is worth it. Only you can make that decision.
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Old Feb 9, 2016, 6:47 pm
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Originally Posted by hartlogan
I'm not sure I understand. You would have to "position" to SFO or LAX for one of these fares, not position to CCS.

And if you're planning on doing this in March, a visa should be a concern for you unless you have one already. If you are a US Citizen, "According to the website of the Venezuelan Embassy in Washington, U.S. citizens should plan to apply for a visa three months in advance of travel."

http://caracas.usembassy.gov/m-visa-...update-15.html

There's a thread on FT specifically for AA's FFP changes, and plenty of blog information online. I would read all that, and then decide for yourself if the timing is worth it. Only you can make that decision.
Thanks for the info! I would look into that! I am not US citizen so I have visa free entry. I am sorry that I misused the jargon, as I meant I would love to use the time to do OJ by flying into somewhere else like BOG or PTY and our of CCS, but the flight into CCS is just relatively expensive. I am in LAX so I would have no problem with departures. Thanks a lot, cheers!
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Old Feb 9, 2016, 11:07 pm
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this thread is still live (ie: not moved to discussion), yet i cannot find near this fare (or the $500-600 from a bit back) lately. dead (the the time being) or am i missing something? and, obviously the goal here is for the LAX-JFK-LAX portion to book into A to get the extra 24k RDM. i'm having a hard time finding that now at any doable fare (again, was easy to find about a month ago).
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 12:06 am
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There are still a lot of dates out there for a 1-2 night stay for $738-760.

Which is still pretty dang close to the $702 in the thread title. And still ~4cpm in Biz w/ the 2 longest hauls in lie-flat, which is pretty outstanding for an MR in J without using an SWU.

Much, much better than going to Asia in Y for 24k EQM, even it's a big more CPM.

edit: Also, I don't think anyone was able to get the LAX-JKF-LAX portion in A, if you read the whole thread closely. Doing that makes the fare soar. A shows up on the MIA-JFK leg and I on the rest.

So it basically calcs like this.

Originally Posted by challett
kirker, I'm struggling with your math on the 26k promo miles for EXP; I see 10k bonus promo miles for EXPs (which is still great):

LAX-JFK (I) - 3500
JFK-MIA (A) - 1000
MIA-PTY (I) - 500
PTY-MIA (I) - 500
MIA-JFK (A) - 1000
JFK-LAX (I) - 3500

Am I missing something?

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Old Feb 10, 2016, 2:29 am
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 3:51 am
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It is still booking into A/I. I just booked my 4th R/T on this routing today for an April run @$837. Although the fare for this trip is up, my trip booked for mid-March was also in A/I and picked it up for $660. My fares for the 4 trips are at the low end, $660 and the high end, $834 with the others in the mid-low $700s.

Total EQM = 18,864 / RDM = 43,000+ YMMV
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 6:17 am
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This was stuck at the $700 range for quite some time, I took a trip on it last year. Has anyone seen it go lower previously like it jumped down those few days last month?

Also, it needs to be booked in F/J for the top extra miles. We were able to get that last year.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 7:16 am
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Originally Posted by chitink
This was stuck at the $700 range for quite some time, I took a trip on it last year. Has anyone seen it go lower previously like it jumped down those few days last month?

Also, it needs to be booked in F/J for the top extra miles. We were able to get that last year.
Lowest I saw was in the low/mid 800s. I booked it for March 18-20 and again on April 1-3 at $847. More than I was hoping for given the prices I've seen elsewhere in the thread, but oh well.

Edit: Let me know if any of you are doing the same dates. Wife is pregnant and skipping this one due to Zika, so I'd love to meet some FTers on the flights.

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Old Feb 10, 2016, 8:38 am
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Originally Posted by ValueAdd82
Lowest I saw was in the low/mid 800s. I booked it for March 18-20 and again on April 1-3 at $847. More than I was hoping for given the prices I've seen elsewhere in the thread, but oh well.

Edit: Let me know if any of you are doing the same dates. Wife is pregnant and skipping this one due to Zika, so I'd love to meet some FTers on the flights.
I think lowest fares were in $450 range
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 10:48 am
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Originally Posted by chitink
This was stuck at the $700 range for quite some time, I took a trip on it last year. Has anyone seen it go lower previously like it jumped down those few days last month?

Also, it needs to be booked in F/J for the top extra miles. We were able to get that last year.
Cheapest I've been able to find is this week is $775 (Friday departure/Monday return). Looking yesterday I found a lot of dates in the $850-$950 range. I keep looking for that $450-$650 range but no luck so far. Here's a couple examples.

http://goo.gl/flights/WJb2

http://goo.gl/flights/vlIa
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 1:30 pm
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I was able to get this for $440 - the JFK MIA legs book in A - the rest is I.

I am calculating 18808 EQM and 33510 RDM including 10k Promo Bonus (long /medium haul) and 50% COS and 100% EXP bonus. I do not understand the reference to 40k+ miles?

I just saw this fare in the $750 range yesterday for mid April - it is not gone.

Also, the Priority Pass website shows the Copa Club above gate 21 and the Royal Tocumen lounge (which is landside) as members.

Finally, as I understand I should have no problem accessing the FL lounges in LAX and JFK as EXP as this is an international flight - I thought I saw someone question this?

Any differing information is appreciated. And thanks to the OP - this is far better than making up miles TPAC at the end of the year and sweating SWUs clearing.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by techoin
I think lowest fares were in $450 range
Should have clarified that I only started looking a couple of weeks ago.

Saw a few in the high 700s, but best I found with my restrictions was $850. Crunch time at work, so I needed a red-eye outbound (so I could position from OKC via DFW to LAX after work Friday) and Sunday night return (so I could catch the red-eye back to DFW). I'm sure more flexibility on timing would have yielded lower fares.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 1:42 pm
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Dang I'm tempted to snag one of these.....
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 2:01 pm
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Originally Posted by TAPAL10
I was able to get this for $440 - the JFK MIA legs book in A - the rest is I.

I am calculating 18808 EQM and 33510 RDM including 10k Promo Bonus (long /medium haul) and 50% COS and 100% EXP bonus. I do not understand the reference to 40k+ miles?

I just saw this fare in the $750 range yesterday for mid April - it is not gone.

Also, the Priority Pass website shows the Copa Club above gate 21 and the Royal Tocumen lounge (which is landside) as members.

Finally, as I understand I should have no problem accessing the FL lounges in LAX and JFK as EXP as this is an international flight - I thought I saw someone question this?

Any differing information is appreciated. And thanks to the OP - this is far better than making up miles TPAC at the end of the year and sweating SWUs clearing.
I'm questioning this because on the AA website it specifically says international flights of greater than 5 hours.
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Old Feb 10, 2016, 2:05 pm
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Regarding the copa club this is what the website states:

The following passengers are eligible to enjoy our Copa Clubs by showing their boarding pass for an international flight departing on the same calendar day:
Business Class passengers and/or ConnectMiles PreferMember Gold, Platinum and Presidential Platinum members traveling in Copa Airlines.
Star Alliance Gold status passengers on international flights with Star Alliance member airlines.
Passengers traveling in Business Class or in First Class on international flights with Star Alliance member airlines.
United Club members *
Priority Pass cardholders **
Passengers who purchased day passes at the club
Club Acela cardholders
KLM and Air France passengers traveling in Business Class ***
KLM and Air France passengers who are Flying Blue members with Flying Blue Platinum and Gold Elite Plus ***
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