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Old Apr 30, 2016, 12:36 pm
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OCTOBER 2016 UPDATE

LAX-JFK TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHTS:
Recent fare rule inclusions, effective October 2016, now prevent any routing via JFK on the non-stop transcontinental A321T aircraft. Any future booking will demand a significantly higher fare to route on the non-stops via JFK. Unless the fare rules are modified and these clauses are removed (highly doubtful), the ability to fly on the transcons via JFK is a thing of the past.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN LAX AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.

1. Same day turns possible on the E-jets and morning 738s.

2. Bonuses now based on fare paid.

3. As of OCTOBER 2016, best fares are now around $1000. Fare tends to rise a few hundred for 2 pax. Fares can also occasionally rise for no discernible reason, but the price spikes have thus far proven to be temporary. Fares have the trend to drop during the year. Keep checking for fares in the $700-$800 ranges for best possible pricing.

4. Airport hotels with shuttles - Crowne Plaza Panama Airport & Riande Aeropuerto. The CP is slightly closer; the Riande is slightly nicer. The CP shuttle leaves the hotel every :00 and :30 and runs 24 hours but they seem to leave a few minutes early as it had left when I went down at 4:00AM on the dot. Also, note UberX charges a US$14 surcharge on top of the ~US$2 fare. CP has poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbors on both sides including talking, crying baby etc. Had to wear earplugs to sleep.

5. Lounges:

Please refer to this thread for more detailed and accurate information on lounge access in general: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1656378-help-desk-will-i-have-lounge-access-access-rules-2016-a.html
LAX AIRPORT

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. PTY is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from PTY unless booking transcons since PTY is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.


AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the PTY flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Technically NONE (PTY under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>

AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from PTY. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>

AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from PTY on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>

NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>



OTHER AIRPORTS

SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
PTY - No lounge access (Copa with PP, or for a fee, for 7am or later flights)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)


6. PTY Customs:
Inbound to PTY -
  • 12 noon - no lines reported
  • 8PM Fri (5/27/16) - ~10 min line

Outbound to MIA -
  • 4:40am - no lines reported
7. Finding flights:

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

If you want the transcon bonus, enter the search with a connection in JFK. (e.g. LAX-JFK,JFK-MIA,MIA-PTY,PTY-JFK,JFK-SFO.) You can play around from there to get the best deal. Some of the better deals do not start and end in the same city (e.g. start in LAX, end in SFO may be cheaper than start/end in LAX).

Also, it's possible on the outbound portion to time it so you have no more than a 60-minute layover at JFK or MIA (though note that some of these flights aren't available on weekends). While yes, JFK is notorious for delays, this rarely applies for inbound red-eye flights. Also, note that AA 28 below is sometimes "hidden" if you're looking on Google Flights inside a much more expensive trip; that does not necessarily mean, however, that you can't get it for one of the trips under $1,000 (in other words, try it out to see).

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

Below is the shortest-possible outbound itinerary that has the LAX-JFK transcon on AA's A321T with flat-bed seats:

LAX-JFK on AA 28
10:45pm - 7:22am

JFK-MIA on AA 200
8:15am - 11:24am
(Note: AA has now switched all of the metal it used on this leg - on all JFK-MIA nonstops - to 757s instead of the 767s with international-style F & J seating.)***767 and 772 are back. Flight 200 is a 772**

MIA-PTY on AA 4434
12:33pm - 2:48pm
(Note: Even more distressingly, AA switched from using a 737 on this leg to an RJ, presumably because summer is off-peak season in Central America. The 6:05pm flight still uses a 737 if a full-size aircraft is a must.)
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Old Feb 15, 2016, 5:41 pm
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Originally Posted by ValueAdd82
Wish I'd get the same email. I'm assuming it's the old 737's on this route? If so, I'd rather be on a new E175.
Yep, they use the old 737s, and I would've preferred an E175 as well.
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Old Feb 15, 2016, 10:34 pm
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Originally Posted by hogo74
I received a "schedule change" email today, my return leg PTY-MIA on 5/29 changed from a mainline 737 to an Eagle/Republic Airlines E175. The departure and arrival times stayed the same but of course the flight number changed.
Wow, wish this would have happened to me as well. E175 is a much nicer bird in F, especially the 1-2 seating on the A side compared to the old 737s they usually run on this.
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Old Feb 16, 2016, 2:55 am
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Any good prices still for late March or anytime in April? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by JJsnyder
Any good prices still for late March or anytime in April? Thanks.
Cheapest is still ~730, which even then isn't that bad.
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Old Feb 16, 2016, 6:21 pm
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Cheapest is still ~730, which even then isn't that bad.

Thanks. I playing with the dates to find a good price. What the dates for 730 fare? Thanks
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Old Feb 16, 2016, 8:35 pm
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Originally Posted by BThumme


Cheapest is still ~730, which even then isn't that bad.





Thanks. I playing with the dates to find a good price. What the dates for 730 fare? Thanks
Plug into ITA, search 0-3 nights, business, departing lax to PTY and you can see the options. Don't remember off top of my head and I'm on my phone right now
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Old Feb 16, 2016, 10:52 pm
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Originally Posted by hogo74
I received a "schedule change" email today, my return leg PTY-MIA on 5/29 changed from a mainline 737 to an Eagle/Republic Airlines E175. The departure and arrival times stayed the same but of course the flight number changed.
I got the same for 27 June. The shame is that the Eagle gates are miles away from any clubs and good hike from the train, so my tight connection looks risky now.
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Are any FT's on this flight or will be in Panama on these dates?

Flight 1: Los Angeles – New York
Sat, Feb 27

9:30 pm – 5:44 am+1
Los Angeles (LAX) – New York (JFK)
American 10 · Business Class · Airbus A321 (Sharklets)


Flight 2: New York – Miami
Sun, Feb 28

8:05 am – 11:25 am
New York (JFK) – Miami (MIA)
American 200 · First Class · Boeing 777

Flight 3: Miami – Panama
Sun, Feb 28

12:25 pm – 3:24 pm
Miami (MIA) – Panama (PTY)
American 1532 · Business Class · Boeing 737

Flight 4: Panama – New York
Tue, Mar 1

7:00 am – 10:03 am
Panama (PTY) – Miami (MIA)
American 960 · Business Class · Boeing 737
Layover in Miami MIA2h 36m

12:35 pm – 3:27 pm
Miami (MIA) – New York (JFK)
American 64 · First Class · Boeing 767

Flight 5: New York – Los Angeles
Tue, Mar 1

4:30 pm – 8:01 pm
New York (JFK) – Los Angeles (LAX)
American 133 · Business Class · Airbus A321 (Sharklets)

Last edited by AAmerican; Feb 19, 2016 at 2:19 pm
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Old Feb 18, 2016, 11:36 pm
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Any FT members flying these flights or will be in PTY around Feb 28 - 29

Flight 1: American Eagle 5923 LAX-SFO
Departure Date Time: February 26, 2016 - 8:00PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 9:24PM

Flight 2: American Airlines 18 SFO-JFK
Departure Date: February 26, 2016 - 11:00PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 7:29AM

Flight 3: American Airlines 2382 JFK-MIA
Departure Date: February 27, 2016 - 1:55PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 5:10PM

Flight 4: American Airlines 959 MIA-PTY
Departure Date: February 27, 2016 - 6:50PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 9:52PM

Flight 5: American Airlines 1474 PTY-MIA
Departure Date: February 29, 2016 - 4:40PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 7:45PM

Flight 6: American Airlines 1406 MIA-JFK
Departure Date: February 29, 2016 - 9:49PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: March 1,2016 - 12:50AM

Flight 7: American Airlines 171 JFK-LAX
Departure Date: March 1, 2016 - 6:15AM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 9:50AM
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Old Feb 19, 2016, 1:32 am
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Originally Posted by techg33k
Any FT members flying these flights or will be in PTY around Feb 28 - 29

Flight 1: American Eagle 5923 LAX-SFO
Departure Date Time: February 26, 2016 - 8:00PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 9:24PM

Flight 2: American Airlines 18 SFO-JFK
Departure Date: February 26, 2016 - 11:00PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 7:29AM

Flight 3: American Airlines 2382 JFK-MIA
Departure Date: February 27, 2016 - 1:55PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 5:10PM

Flight 4: American Airlines 959 MIA-PTY
Departure Date: February 27, 2016 - 6:50PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 9:52PM

Flight 5: American Airlines 1474 PTY-MIA
Departure Date: February 29, 2016 - 4:40PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 7:45PM

Flight 6: American Airlines 1406 MIA-JFK
Departure Date: February 29, 2016 - 9:49PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: March 1,2016 - 12:50AM

Flight 7: American Airlines 171 JFK-LAX
Departure Date: March 1, 2016 - 6:15AM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 9:50AM
Hey I think I'm on your exact itin. Gotta check, but I'm pretty sure.
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Ok what best days in May? Seems I can only find dates in May now. I can only find the fair on matrix. Anyone seeing the fare in May on AA or?
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Old Feb 19, 2016, 4:43 am
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On one leg

I am with you on the first leg. I am heading to MDE.


Originally Posted by AAmerican
Are any FT's on this flight or will be in Panama on these dates?

Flight 1: Los Angeles – New York
Sat, Feb 27

9:30 pm – 5:44 am+1
Los Angeles (LAX) – New York (JFK)
American 10 · Business Class · Airbus A321 (Sharklets)
Lie flat seat
Overnight flight
5h 14m
Wi-Fi
In-seat & USB power
On-demand video

Flight 2: New York – Miami
Sun, Feb 28

8:05 am – 11:25 am
New York (JFK) – Miami (MIA)
American 200 · First Class · Boeing 777
Lie flat seat
3h 20m
Wi-Fi
In-seat & USB power
On-demand video

Flight 3: Miami – Panama
Sun, Feb 28

12:25 pm – 3:24 pm
Miami (MIA) – Panama (PTY)
American 1532 · Business Class · Boeing 737
Standard recliner seat
Often delayed by 30+ min
2h 59m
In-seat & USB power
Stream to your device
No Wi-Fi

Flight 4: Panama – New York
Tue, Mar 1

7:00 am – 10:03 am
Panama (PTY) – Miami (MIA)
American 960 · Business Class · Boeing 737
Standard recliner seat
3h 03m
In-seat & USB power
Stream to your device
No Wi-Fi
Layover in Miami MIA2h 36m

12:35 pm – 3:27 pm
Miami (MIA) – New York (JFK)
American 64 · First Class · Boeing 767
Lie flat seat
Often delayed by 30+ min
2h 52m
In-seat & USB power
On-demand video
No Wi-Fi

Flight 5: New York – Los Angeles
Tue, Mar 1

4:30 pm – 8:01 pm
New York (JFK) – Los Angeles (LAX)
American 133 · Business Class · Airbus A321 (Sharklets)
Lie flat seat
Often delayed by 30+ min
6h 31m
Wi-Fi
In-seat & USB power
On-demand video
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Old Feb 19, 2016, 9:07 am
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I'll be in PTY the night of the 28th and day of the 29th

Originally Posted by techg33k
Any FT members flying these flights or will be in PTY around Feb 28 - 29

Flight 1: American Eagle 5923 LAX-SFO
Departure Date Time: February 26, 2016 - 8:00PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 9:24PM

Flight 2: American Airlines 18 SFO-JFK
Departure Date: February 26, 2016 - 11:00PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 7:29AM

Flight 3: American Airlines 2382 JFK-MIA
Departure Date: February 27, 2016 - 1:55PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 5:10PM

Flight 4: American Airlines 959 MIA-PTY
Departure Date: February 27, 2016 - 6:50PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 9:52PM

Flight 5: American Airlines 1474 PTY-MIA
Departure Date: February 29, 2016 - 4:40PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 7:45PM

Flight 6: American Airlines 1406 MIA-JFK
Departure Date: February 29, 2016 - 9:49PM
Scheduled Arrival Time: March 1,2016 - 12:50AM

Flight 7: American Airlines 171 JFK-LAX
Departure Date: March 1, 2016 - 6:15AM
Scheduled Arrival Time: 9:50AM
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Old Feb 19, 2016, 9:23 am
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I'm flying to PTY and back on Monday if anyone else is.
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Thats cool.. will PM you with details

Originally Posted by hiima
Hey I think I'm on your exact itin. Gotta check, but I'm pretty sure.
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