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Old Apr 30, 2016, 12:36 pm
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OCTOBER 2016 UPDATE

LAX-JFK TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHTS:
Recent fare rule inclusions, effective October 2016, now prevent any routing via JFK on the non-stop transcontinental A321T aircraft. Any future booking will demand a significantly higher fare to route on the non-stops via JFK. Unless the fare rules are modified and these clauses are removed (highly doubtful), the ability to fly on the transcons via JFK is a thing of the past.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN LAX AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.

1. Same day turns possible on the E-jets and morning 738s.

2. Bonuses now based on fare paid.

3. As of OCTOBER 2016, best fares are now around $1000. Fare tends to rise a few hundred for 2 pax. Fares can also occasionally rise for no discernible reason, but the price spikes have thus far proven to be temporary. Fares have the trend to drop during the year. Keep checking for fares in the $700-$800 ranges for best possible pricing.

4. Airport hotels with shuttles - Crowne Plaza Panama Airport & Riande Aeropuerto. The CP is slightly closer; the Riande is slightly nicer. The CP shuttle leaves the hotel every :00 and :30 and runs 24 hours but they seem to leave a few minutes early as it had left when I went down at 4:00AM on the dot. Also, note UberX charges a US$14 surcharge on top of the ~US$2 fare. CP has poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbors on both sides including talking, crying baby etc. Had to wear earplugs to sleep.

5. Lounges:

Please refer to this thread for more detailed and accurate information on lounge access in general: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1656378-help-desk-will-i-have-lounge-access-access-rules-2016-a.html
LAX AIRPORT

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. PTY is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from PTY unless booking transcons since PTY is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.


AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the PTY flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Technically NONE (PTY under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>

AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from PTY. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>

AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from PTY on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>

NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>



OTHER AIRPORTS

SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
PTY - No lounge access (Copa with PP, or for a fee, for 7am or later flights)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)


6. PTY Customs:
Inbound to PTY -
  • 12 noon - no lines reported
  • 8PM Fri (5/27/16) - ~10 min line

Outbound to MIA -
  • 4:40am - no lines reported
7. Finding flights:

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

If you want the transcon bonus, enter the search with a connection in JFK. (e.g. LAX-JFK,JFK-MIA,MIA-PTY,PTY-JFK,JFK-SFO.) You can play around from there to get the best deal. Some of the better deals do not start and end in the same city (e.g. start in LAX, end in SFO may be cheaper than start/end in LAX).

Also, it's possible on the outbound portion to time it so you have no more than a 60-minute layover at JFK or MIA (though note that some of these flights aren't available on weekends). While yes, JFK is notorious for delays, this rarely applies for inbound red-eye flights. Also, note that AA 28 below is sometimes "hidden" if you're looking on Google Flights inside a much more expensive trip; that does not necessarily mean, however, that you can't get it for one of the trips under $1,000 (in other words, try it out to see).

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

Below is the shortest-possible outbound itinerary that has the LAX-JFK transcon on AA's A321T with flat-bed seats:

LAX-JFK on AA 28
10:45pm - 7:22am

JFK-MIA on AA 200
8:15am - 11:24am
(Note: AA has now switched all of the metal it used on this leg - on all JFK-MIA nonstops - to 757s instead of the 767s with international-style F & J seating.)***767 and 772 are back. Flight 200 is a 772**

MIA-PTY on AA 4434
12:33pm - 2:48pm
(Note: Even more distressingly, AA switched from using a 737 on this leg to an RJ, presumably because summer is off-peak season in Central America. The 6:05pm flight still uses a 737 if a full-size aircraft is a must.)
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Old Feb 5, 2016, 7:49 pm
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Put the MDE version on hold. LAX-JFK-MIA-MDE-MIA-LAX for $892, 3/4-3/6.

LAX-JFK on the A321 (32B)
JFK-MIA on the new 767-300 (763)
MIA-LAX on the new 777-300 (77W)

Been looking to try out all of these planes, pretty happy to have them all on one itinerary. Planning to do the Plat challenge as well.
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 3:38 am
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Originally Posted by IWontRegretThis
Me. On the 930 out of LA, then the 772 to mia getting into PTY @ 230pm I think.

Hope to meet you tonight if you're flying out of LAX on flight #10 to JFK.
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 3:54 am
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Originally Posted by JNLentertainment
i have not been in this site in ages lol... hmm.. pty.. maybe nice place to visit... @minyung.. you guys staying in pty for how many days? I am an RN as well haha
For the LAX-JFK-MIA-PTY leaving tonight 2/06, we will stay for one night and fly back on 2/08 and be back in LAX at 8PM. I have 2 more flights scheduled to PTY, one in 3/19 to 3/22 with 2 night stay and one in 4/09 to 4/11. Both of this flights leaves LAX on flight #10 at 0930 PM through JFK-MIA-PTY. They are both booked in business class netting 18,808 EQM and 33,510 RDM each flight. Feel free to join us so you wont be alone.
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 6:20 am
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are you guys book in that flight already 3/19 to 22? your march 22 leaves at what time in pty??
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 6:30 am
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@minyung do we have the same flight numbers?
Flight 1: Los Angeles – New York
Sat, Mar 19

9:30 pm – 5:44 am+1
Los Angeles (LAX) – New York (JFK)
American 10 · Business Class · Airbus A321 (Sharklets)
Lie flat seat
Overnight flight
5h 14m
Wi-Fi
In-seat & USB power
On-demand video
Flight 2: New York – Miami
Sun, Mar 20

8:05 am – 11:25 am
New York (JFK) – Miami (MIA)
American 200 · First Class · Boeing 777
Lie flat seat
3h 20m
Wi-Fi
In-seat & USB power
On-demand video
Flight 3: Miami – Panama
Sun, Mar 20

12:25 pm – 2:24 pm
Miami (MIA) – Panama (PTY)
American 1532 · Business Class · Boeing 737
Standard recliner seat
Often delayed by 30+ min
2h 59m
In-seat & USB power
Stream to your device
No Wi-Fi
Flight 4: Panama – New York
Tue, Mar 22

6:00 am – 9:59 am
Panama (PTY) – Miami (MIA)
American 960 · Business Class · Boeing 737
Standard recliner seat
2h 59m
In-seat & USB power
Stream to your device
No Wi-Fi
Layover in Miami MIA2h 36m

12:35 pm – 3:27 pm
Miami (MIA) – New York (JFK)
American 64 · First Class · Boeing 767
Lie flat seat
Often delayed by 30+ min
2h 52m
In-seat & USB power
On-demand video
No Wi-Fi
Flight 5: New York – Los Angeles
Tue, Mar 22

5:25 pm – 8:52 pm
New York (JFK) – Los Angeles (LAX)
American 181 · Business Class · Airbus A321 (Sharklets)
Lie flat seat
Often delayed by 30+ min
6h 27m
Wi-Fi
In-seat & USB power
On-demand video
Ads
Book, save or share this flight
Total incl taxes & fees for 1 adult · Additional bag fees may apply.
$886
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 7:57 am
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Originally Posted by JNLentertainment
@minyung do we have the same flight numbers?
Flight 1: Los Angeles – New York
Sat, Mar 19

9:30 pm – 5:44 am+1
Los Angeles (LAX) – New York (JFK)
American 10 · Business Class · Airbus A321 (Sharklets)
Lie flat seat
Overnight flight
5h 14m
Wi-Fi
In-seat & USB power
On-demand video
Flight 2: New York – Miami
Sun, Mar 20

8:05 am – 11:25 am
New York (JFK) – Miami (MIA)
American 200 · First Class · Boeing 777
Lie flat seat
3h 20m
Wi-Fi
In-seat & USB power
On-demand video
Flight 3: Miami – Panama
Sun, Mar 20

12:25 pm – 2:24 pm
Miami (MIA) – Panama (PTY)
American 1532 · Business Class · Boeing 737
Standard recliner seat
Often delayed by 30+ min
2h 59m
In-seat & USB power
Stream to your device
No Wi-Fi
Flight 4: Panama – New York
Tue, Mar 22

6:00 am – 9:59 am
Panama (PTY) – Miami (MIA)
American 960 · Business Class · Boeing 737
Standard recliner seat
2h 59m
In-seat & USB power
Stream to your device
No Wi-Fi
Layover in Miami MIA2h 36m

12:35 pm – 3:27 pm
Miami (MIA) – New York (JFK)
American 64 · First Class · Boeing 767
Lie flat seat
Often delayed by 30+ min
2h 52m
In-seat & USB power
On-demand video
No Wi-Fi
Flight 5: New York – Los Angeles
Tue, Mar 22

5:25 pm – 8:52 pm
New York (JFK) – Los Angeles (LAX)
American 181 · Business Class · Airbus A321 (Sharklets)
Lie flat seat
Often delayed by 30+ min
6h 27m
Wi-Fi
In-seat & USB power
On-demand video
Ads
Book, save or share this flight
Total incl taxes & fees for 1 adult · Additional bag fees may apply.
$886
Its about the same except for the JFK to MIA #942 11:20 and MIA to PTY #959 at 06:15 PM arriving at 8:15 PM. Will try to get on an earlier flight once we get to JFK if there are seats available for at least 3 of us.
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 9:32 am
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I did this a couple of times last year. Everything goes well if you get the Lie Flat Red Eyes out of LAX.
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by minyung
For the LAX-JFK-MIA-PTY leaving tonight 2/06, we will stay for one night and fly back on 2/08 and be back in LAX at 8PM. I have 2 more flights scheduled to PTY, one in 3/19 to 3/22 with 2 night stay and one in 4/09 to 4/11. Both of this flights leaves LAX on flight #10 at 0930 PM through JFK-MIA-PTY. They are both booked in business class netting 18,808 EQM and 33,510 RDM each flight. Feel free to join us so you wont be alone.
I'm leaving tonight, too, but on AA 28 at 10:30pm. I'm probably on your next two legs, however. :-)
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by JNLentertainment
can I go to panama with someone ( I just need someone with the same flight details )? Just afraid of entering panama alone.. lol I fly out of lax...thanks
Trust me: Panama City is probably the least worrisome destination in Central America. Panama on whole has been very safe since the U.S. overthrew Noriega, and these days it's increasingly becoming a popular relocation spot for American retirees. The only part of the country with legitimate danger is one few tourists ever visit: the Darien Gap, a dense jungle area along the Colombian border. While Colombia isn't quite the "cocaine capital" it used to be, it's still the source of quite a bit of product, and a lot of it is trafficked through the Gap.

In the city itself, you might want to avoid the Casco Viejo (Old Quarter) late at night, but its newer areas like Marbella and Punta Pacifica are quite safe.
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 12:08 pm
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Originally Posted by minyung
Its about the same except for the JFK to MIA #942 11:20 and MIA to PTY #959 at 06:15 PM arriving at 8:15 PM. Will try to get on an earlier flight once we get to JFK if there are seats available for at least 3 of us.
Same here.

10 to JFK, 200 (on the 772) to MIA, 1532 to Panama. On the rtn on the 8th, 7am to MIA, 64 to JFK and then 133 back to LA. Used some miles to upgrade to F on the outbound, so if anyone wants in to the FL lounge tonight/tomorrow morning drop me a PM
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 12:36 pm
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Originally Posted by JNLentertainment
are you guys book in that flight already 3/19 to 22? your march 22 leaves at what time in pty??
It leaves at 0700 AM.
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 1:09 pm
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Just wondering because this is multiple legs does it qualify for the 6,000(gold/plat) or 12,000(explat) bonus for flying first class on long haul i.e. over 3000 mile trips? Or just a few of the 500 mile bonus for the individual legs?

Edit: the reason I ask is I can only find this fare from LAX-MIA not LAX-JFK, and the MIA trip is under 3k miles.
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by ValueAdd82
Put the MDE version on hold. LAX-JFK-MIA-MDE-MIA-LAX for $892, 3/4-3/6.

LAX-JFK on the A321 (32B)
JFK-MIA on the new 767-300 (763)
MIA-LAX on the new 777-300 (77W)

Been looking to try out all of these planes, pretty happy to have them all on one itinerary. Planning to do the Plat challenge as well.
Was playing around with this fare for late '16 (actually contemplating MLK Day weekend run when it rolls into view). Didn't see the 763 or 77W flights, but did see an interesting routing via ORD (to LAX) on 788 which sounds like fun. Lots of options @ $967.
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 1:27 pm
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i am on the trip right now... flew in last night.. come back to lax monday night... I had no idea it was Panama de Carnaval.. what a party.. pretty humid.

lot's of gringo's..
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Old Feb 6, 2016, 1:33 pm
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Originally Posted by aabrad
Just wondering because this is multiple legs does it qualify for the 6,000(gold/plat) or 12,000(explat) bonus for flying first class on long haul i.e. over 3000 mile trips? Or just a few of the 500 mile bonus for the individual legs?

Edit: the reason I ask is I can only find this fare from LAX-MIA not LAX-JFK, and the MIA trip is under 3k miles.
You get 3500 miles for the LAX/SFO-JFK and vice versa (its considered long haul even if the actual distance is less than 3000 miles) You get 1000 mies for A fare code and 500 miles for I fare code.
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