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Old Apr 30, 2016, 12:36 pm
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OCTOBER 2016 UPDATE

LAX-JFK TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHTS:
Recent fare rule inclusions, effective October 2016, now prevent any routing via JFK on the non-stop transcontinental A321T aircraft. Any future booking will demand a significantly higher fare to route on the non-stops via JFK. Unless the fare rules are modified and these clauses are removed (highly doubtful), the ability to fly on the transcons via JFK is a thing of the past.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN LAX AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.

1. Same day turns possible on the E-jets and morning 738s.

2. Bonuses now based on fare paid.

3. As of OCTOBER 2016, best fares are now around $1000. Fare tends to rise a few hundred for 2 pax. Fares can also occasionally rise for no discernible reason, but the price spikes have thus far proven to be temporary. Fares have the trend to drop during the year. Keep checking for fares in the $700-$800 ranges for best possible pricing.

4. Airport hotels with shuttles - Crowne Plaza Panama Airport & Riande Aeropuerto. The CP is slightly closer; the Riande is slightly nicer. The CP shuttle leaves the hotel every :00 and :30 and runs 24 hours but they seem to leave a few minutes early as it had left when I went down at 4:00AM on the dot. Also, note UberX charges a US$14 surcharge on top of the ~US$2 fare. CP has poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbors on both sides including talking, crying baby etc. Had to wear earplugs to sleep.

5. Lounges:

Please refer to this thread for more detailed and accurate information on lounge access in general: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1656378-help-desk-will-i-have-lounge-access-access-rules-2016-a.html
LAX AIRPORT

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. PTY is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from PTY unless booking transcons since PTY is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.


AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the PTY flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Technically NONE (PTY under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>

AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from PTY. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>

AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from PTY on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>

NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>



OTHER AIRPORTS

SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
PTY - No lounge access (Copa with PP, or for a fee, for 7am or later flights)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)


6. PTY Customs:
Inbound to PTY -
  • 12 noon - no lines reported
  • 8PM Fri (5/27/16) - ~10 min line

Outbound to MIA -
  • 4:40am - no lines reported
7. Finding flights:

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

If you want the transcon bonus, enter the search with a connection in JFK. (e.g. LAX-JFK,JFK-MIA,MIA-PTY,PTY-JFK,JFK-SFO.) You can play around from there to get the best deal. Some of the better deals do not start and end in the same city (e.g. start in LAX, end in SFO may be cheaper than start/end in LAX).

Also, it's possible on the outbound portion to time it so you have no more than a 60-minute layover at JFK or MIA (though note that some of these flights aren't available on weekends). While yes, JFK is notorious for delays, this rarely applies for inbound red-eye flights. Also, note that AA 28 below is sometimes "hidden" if you're looking on Google Flights inside a much more expensive trip; that does not necessarily mean, however, that you can't get it for one of the trips under $1,000 (in other words, try it out to see).

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

Below is the shortest-possible outbound itinerary that has the LAX-JFK transcon on AA's A321T with flat-bed seats:

LAX-JFK on AA 28
10:45pm - 7:22am

JFK-MIA on AA 200
8:15am - 11:24am
(Note: AA has now switched all of the metal it used on this leg - on all JFK-MIA nonstops - to 757s instead of the 767s with international-style F & J seating.)***767 and 772 are back. Flight 200 is a 772**

MIA-PTY on AA 4434
12:33pm - 2:48pm
(Note: Even more distressingly, AA switched from using a 737 on this leg to an RJ, presumably because summer is off-peak season in Central America. The 6:05pm flight still uses a 737 if a full-size aircraft is a must.)
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Old Feb 2, 2016, 6:43 pm
  #181  
 
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Went on this route couple months ago, had so much fun.

Took a taxi from the airport, but for the return we walked away from the hotel and hailed one in the street for less than half the cost.

Stayed at the Hilton Panama and rooms were amazing, hotel bar was cheap and we loved it.

Went out to El Chorro Macho (Waterfall) and took the public bus there, that was an awesome experience. The bus was a couple dollars for over 3 hour ride, it's not a bus so much as a minivan. No one spoke english anywhere and we needed bandaids so used google translate and everyone was so helpful.

Booked two more this year, can't wait.
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Old Feb 2, 2016, 8:31 pm
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Originally Posted by chitink
Went on this route couple months ago, had so much fun.

Took a taxi from the airport, but for the return we walked away from the hotel and hailed one in the street for less than half the cost.
From the airport is more expensive (even UBER is) because of some fee they charge. At least that is what our (to-the-airport) UBER driver told me and the better half when I was there on a run+vacation in November.

Stayed at the Hilton Panama and rooms were amazing, hotel bar was cheap and we loved it.
The Hilton's are pretty good-for-value. We stayed at the Waldorf. Although it was a really good hotel, you also saw the American and more Spaniard-influence in how well/thorough the rooms were "built".

Also, for the Waldorf Astoria, make sure to make use of the Concierge. I don't remember his name when we were there, but they can organize tours and reservations for you and at least the Waldorf had a drop-off service on a FCFS basis to drop you off within a radius of 2km.
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Old Feb 2, 2016, 8:48 pm
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Originally Posted by cvision
The Hilton's are pretty good-for-value. We stayed at the Waldorf. Although it was a really good hotel, you also saw the American and more Spaniard-influence in how well/thorough the rooms were "built".

Also, for the Waldorf Astoria, make sure to make use of the Concierge. I don't remember his name when we were there, but they can organize tours and reservations for you and at least the Waldorf had a drop-off service on a FCFS basis to drop you off within a radius of 2km.
The WA is cheaper than the Hilton. I just booked a night at the WA for 16,000 points and $65. Otherwise it was $143. Hilton is $159.
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Old Feb 3, 2016, 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by skunker
The WA is cheaper than the Hilton. I just booked a night at the WA for 16,000 points and $65. Otherwise it was $143. Hilton is $159.
There's a reason why it's cheaper.. look at the reviews. Nothing wrong with the WA but Hilton is newer with a great looking pool. Just booked it via BRG.
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Old Feb 3, 2016, 11:19 pm
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Myself and 2 other guys are flying out this Saturday 02/06 on LAX-JFK-MIA-PTY. I wonder if anyone is on that flight.
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Old Feb 3, 2016, 11:31 pm
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i have not been in this site in ages lol... hmm.. pty.. maybe nice place to visit... @minyung.. you guys staying in pty for how many days? I am an RN as well haha
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Old Feb 4, 2016, 12:34 am
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can I go to panama with someone ( I just need someone with the same flight details )? Just afraid of entering panama alone.. lol I fly out of lax...thanks
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Old Feb 4, 2016, 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by Cheapfilm
I'm a total newbie here but love everything about these message boards. I spent a better part of yesterday reading the threads.

Today I booked booked this trip - LAX-JFK-MIA-PTY RT A/J 18.9K EQMs. I'm leaving this Thursday Night Red Eye and returning Monday.

I'm gold and have zero miles this year. I called the Advantage desk and put in a challenge for myself and my wife to Platinum. This one trip will get me Platinum. From another thread I booked LAX - MSO for $150 just for the miles and to spend one day at Universal Studios with the wife. I have 4 more business class trips booked through April which should get me 40k away from Executive Platinum.

Thanks for you all posting this type of information.

Chris in LA
My husband and I did this trip from this past Saturday to yesterday (3 Feb.) and it was great! We just thought it was funny how your user name is "cheapfilm" and I'm a film student and then the following post is about a guy in Texas and my husband is moving to Texas soon. Anyway, enough of that. Glad to read that other people took advantage of this trip!
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Old Feb 4, 2016, 7:01 pm
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Thanks OP!

Just put one of these on hold. However, the price has increased.

My route takes me LAX-CLT-JFK-MIA-PTY/2125+541+1090+1151= 4,907

I have two questions if anyone can provide some incite.

Does this violate the MPM? (and if so, what does that mean? given less miles? not bookable even though it's on hold with aa?)

per experflyer I found this....

Results from ExpertFlyer.com

Maximum Permitted Mileage:
Airports: LAX-CLT-JFK-MIA-PTY
Flying AA on 03/19/16

Maximum Permitted Mileage
LAXPTY-AA 19MAR16

TICKETED POINT SURCHARGES APPLY.
GI M 5M 10M 15M 20M 25M

MPM WH 3610 3790 3971 4151 4332 4512

.

Calculated Sector Mileage
LAX AA CLT AA NYC AA MIA AA PTY /19MAR16
************************************************** ***********

CTY GI TPM CUM MPM EMS DED LAST NEXT 25M

LAX 1
1. CLT 1 - 2121 2121
2. NYC 1 - 538 2659
3. MIA 1 - 1092 3751
4. PTY 1 WH 1161 4162* 3610 20M 750 10 170 4512

* TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION APPLIED

2) I was also looking to "nest" this from NYC. If I book two different tickets, is that ok?

Thanks for any input, newbie here. I tried to search the forum for an answer but I was still not clear.

Based on the lucrative deals coming out of LAX, I'm trying to take advantage. Also if this is too off topic, sorry MODs.
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Old Feb 4, 2016, 7:02 pm
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If I understand this correctly,

An itinerary in A and I including an SFO or LAX to JFK I segment each way, totalling 9500 miles should give:

9500 x 2 = 19000 EQM
9500 x 1.5 x 2 = 28500 RDM plus 2x 3500 RDM (currency promo) = 35500 RDM

for executive platinum, is that correct?
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Old Feb 4, 2016, 10:24 pm
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Originally Posted by randyg
Thanks OP!

Just put one of these on hold. However, the price has increased.

My route takes me LAX-CLT-JFK-MIA-PTY/2125+541+1090+1151= 4,907

I have two questions if anyone can provide some incite.

Does this violate the MPM? (and if so, what does that mean? given less miles? not bookable even though it's on hold with aa?)

per experflyer I found this....

Results from ExpertFlyer.com

Maximum Permitted Mileage:
Airports: LAX-CLT-JFK-MIA-PTY
Flying AA on 03/19/16

Maximum Permitted Mileage
LAXPTY-AA 19MAR16

TICKETED POINT SURCHARGES APPLY.
GI M 5M 10M 15M 20M 25M

MPM WH 3610 3790 3971 4151 4332 4512

.

Calculated Sector Mileage
LAX AA CLT AA NYC AA MIA AA PTY /19MAR16
************************************************** ***********

CTY GI TPM CUM MPM EMS DED LAST NEXT 25M

LAX 1
1. CLT 1 - 2121 2121
2. NYC 1 - 538 2659
3. MIA 1 - 1092 3751
4. PTY 1 WH 1161 4162* 3610 20M 750 10 170 4512

* TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION APPLIED

2) I was also looking to "nest" this from NYC. If I book two different tickets, is that ok?

Thanks for any input, newbie here. I tried to search the forum for an answer but I was still not clear.

Based on the lucrative deals coming out of LAX, I'm trying to take advantage. Also if this is too off topic, sorry MODs.
MPM is maximum permitted mileage. Some fares will publish restrictions on what the MPM is for a ticket, more so on intl itineraries. It's there for routing purposes to say "Hey, you can route LAX-ORD/MIA/PHL-PTY, but not LAX-SEA-PHL-MIA-PTY. It allows for you to make a connection or two that's not completely out of the way. If you violate the MPM (usually 1.25-1.5x the distance from A-B), you will pay more. It's part of the fare rules, and every carrier has them (so it's nothing specific to AA). There is also deductions that can apply, and these are usually through a couple hubs. I know when I booked mine, both LAX and MIA were (750?) mile deductions, so they actually get subtracted from the miles of your itinerary.

If you have it on hold, you can still book it no problem.

It's also perfectly okay to nest tickets.

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Old Feb 5, 2016, 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by minyung
Myself and 2 other guys are flying out this Saturday 02/06 on LAX-JFK-MIA-PTY. I wonder if anyone is on that flight.
Me. On the 930 out of LA, then the 772 to mia getting into PTY @ 230pm I think.
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Old Feb 5, 2016, 2:17 pm
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For those of you that have been doing this for longer than I have...

How exceptional is this particular deal relative to past deals in J/F?
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Old Feb 5, 2016, 4:09 pm
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Originally Posted by JNLentertainment
can I go to panama with someone ( I just need someone with the same flight details )? Just afraid of entering panama alone.. lol I fly out of lax...thanks
Why are you afraid of going alone? You don't even have to leave the airport if you don't want to.
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Old Feb 5, 2016, 4:56 pm
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Originally Posted by JNLentertainment
can I go to panama with someone ( I just need someone with the same flight details )? Just afraid of entering panama alone.. lol I fly out of lax...thanks
Originally Posted by lobo411
Why are you afraid of going alone? You don't even have to leave the airport if you don't want to.
I would be afraid of entering Panama with you if that's your reason

Do you want me to check a few bags for you, too?
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