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Old Apr 30, 2016, 12:36 pm
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OCTOBER 2016 UPDATE

LAX-JFK TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHTS:
Recent fare rule inclusions, effective October 2016, now prevent any routing via JFK on the non-stop transcontinental A321T aircraft. Any future booking will demand a significantly higher fare to route on the non-stops via JFK. Unless the fare rules are modified and these clauses are removed (highly doubtful), the ability to fly on the transcons via JFK is a thing of the past.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN LAX AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.

1. Same day turns possible on the E-jets and morning 738s.

2. Bonuses now based on fare paid.

3. As of OCTOBER 2016, best fares are now around $1000. Fare tends to rise a few hundred for 2 pax. Fares can also occasionally rise for no discernible reason, but the price spikes have thus far proven to be temporary. Fares have the trend to drop during the year. Keep checking for fares in the $700-$800 ranges for best possible pricing.

4. Airport hotels with shuttles - Crowne Plaza Panama Airport & Riande Aeropuerto. The CP is slightly closer; the Riande is slightly nicer. The CP shuttle leaves the hotel every :00 and :30 and runs 24 hours but they seem to leave a few minutes early as it had left when I went down at 4:00AM on the dot. Also, note UberX charges a US$14 surcharge on top of the ~US$2 fare. CP has poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbors on both sides including talking, crying baby etc. Had to wear earplugs to sleep.

5. Lounges:

Please refer to this thread for more detailed and accurate information on lounge access in general: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1656378-help-desk-will-i-have-lounge-access-access-rules-2016-a.html
LAX AIRPORT

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. PTY is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from PTY unless booking transcons since PTY is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.


AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the PTY flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Technically NONE (PTY under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>

AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from PTY. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>

AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from PTY on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>

NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>



OTHER AIRPORTS

SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
PTY - No lounge access (Copa with PP, or for a fee, for 7am or later flights)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)


6. PTY Customs:
Inbound to PTY -
  • 12 noon - no lines reported
  • 8PM Fri (5/27/16) - ~10 min line

Outbound to MIA -
  • 4:40am - no lines reported
7. Finding flights:

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

If you want the transcon bonus, enter the search with a connection in JFK. (e.g. LAX-JFK,JFK-MIA,MIA-PTY,PTY-JFK,JFK-SFO.) You can play around from there to get the best deal. Some of the better deals do not start and end in the same city (e.g. start in LAX, end in SFO may be cheaper than start/end in LAX).

Also, it's possible on the outbound portion to time it so you have no more than a 60-minute layover at JFK or MIA (though note that some of these flights aren't available on weekends). While yes, JFK is notorious for delays, this rarely applies for inbound red-eye flights. Also, note that AA 28 below is sometimes "hidden" if you're looking on Google Flights inside a much more expensive trip; that does not necessarily mean, however, that you can't get it for one of the trips under $1,000 (in other words, try it out to see).

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

Below is the shortest-possible outbound itinerary that has the LAX-JFK transcon on AA's A321T with flat-bed seats:

LAX-JFK on AA 28
10:45pm - 7:22am

JFK-MIA on AA 200
8:15am - 11:24am
(Note: AA has now switched all of the metal it used on this leg - on all JFK-MIA nonstops - to 757s instead of the 767s with international-style F & J seating.)***767 and 772 are back. Flight 200 is a 772**

MIA-PTY on AA 4434
12:33pm - 2:48pm
(Note: Even more distressingly, AA switched from using a 737 on this leg to an RJ, presumably because summer is off-peak season in Central America. The 6:05pm flight still uses a 737 if a full-size aircraft is a must.)
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Old Feb 23, 2016, 7:31 pm
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Fare Back From the Dead?

Looks like the fare is somewhat back. As low as $797 over Memorial Day weekend. Just booked 5/28-5/30. Got a warning on the reservation page saying that the MIA-PTY route is subject to government approval. Wondering if that's because the flight is on an ERJ-175 flown by American Eagle?
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Old Feb 23, 2016, 8:35 pm
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I'm on my last flight home.

LAS-DCA(overnight),DCA-JFK(overnight, got to see my Red Wings play @ Madison Square Gadrden),JFK-MIA-PTY-MIA-JFK(overnight in the airport),JFK-SFO-LAX all in biz followed by a seperate ticket LAX-LAS-PHX-DEN.

JFK-MIA-PTY-MIA were all on the boring 737s. My flight JFK-SFO was great, very easy to get some sleep on, and the belgian waffles were great. I also really enjoyed the JFK admirals lounge - it was a good place to get a bit of sleep, and I like that they have power plugs built into the sides by the glass overlooking the tarmac.

Got to see the Uzbekistan airways plane land, that was a neat plane to see. I didn't leave the airport in PTY, the wifi only worked for two hours, and I mistakenly put logged in on my computer and phone at the same time, so the last two hours I was without wifi.

I noticed that on most flights, day internet was avaialble for 19.95/day. On the JFK-SFO, they wanted 44.95. A month pass was only 49.95 so I bought that. I have a couple more flights coming up.

Overall, my first super great deal mileage run, and it went down pretty smoothly. Overnighting at JFK was a bit rough, but only had to tough out about 6.5 hours.
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Old Feb 23, 2016, 9:32 pm
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I am on this trip now, I just positioned from an AUS-DFW-LAX flight and walked over to the Admirals club. I told the Representative that I was unable to check in to the international portion of my flight - LAX-JFK-MIA-PTY - and he handed me a key to the Flagship lounge and said they can take care of it upstairs.

This was nice and I am enjoying this lounge (I love free bottled water - seriously) but I wish there was a tried and true way to determine if access will be granted. From the discussion and information I have read I am unsure it should be.

Thanks you to everyone for their input - I appreciate it. And thanks again to the OP - I am keeping my eye on this fare and seeing how this trip goes may book another. ^
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Old Feb 24, 2016, 4:09 am
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Originally Posted by thorofare
Looks like the fare is somewhat back. As low as $797 over Memorial Day weekend. Just booked 5/28-5/30. Got a warning on the reservation page saying that the MIA-PTY route is subject to government approval. Wondering if that's because the flight is on an ERJ-175 flown by American Eagle?
Dead again or any other dates?
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Old Feb 24, 2016, 4:56 am
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Dead again or any other dates?
https://www.google.com/flights/#sear...5-30;tt=m;sc=b $848 memorial "weekend"
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Old Feb 24, 2016, 8:21 am
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Hmmm, I can't get the JFK flights in, only DFW/MIA, anyone else have better luck?
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Old Feb 24, 2016, 12:17 pm
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This fare appears to be back. Several March dates ex LAX, SNA and ONT via DFW/MIA. $690 RT was the lowest all-in fare seen.
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Old Feb 24, 2016, 1:32 pm
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Plenty of dates left through JFK for $850ish. Leave most fridays in April and get back in the wee hours of Monday morning.

http://goo.gl/flights/35CO

Or even get back Sunday night, with no airport layovers. http://goo.gl/flights/oM2z
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Old Feb 24, 2016, 1:33 pm
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Now that it's back to life, has anyone found a way to originate from the east coast? I've been playing around and just can't make it work. I suppose its MQM/routing rules...doesn't make sense to do JFK-LAX-MIA while the other can SORT OF, MAYBE make sense .

EDIT: I'm talking about with the lie-flat JFK-LAX legs.
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Old Feb 24, 2016, 2:20 pm
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Originally Posted by callmedtop
Now that it's back to life, has anyone found a way to originate from the east coast? I've been playing around and just can't make it work. I suppose its MQM/routing rules...doesn't make sense to do JFK-LAX-MIA while the other can SORT OF, MAYBE make sense .

EDIT: I'm talking about with the lie-flat JFK-LAX legs.
This fare is based on LAX-PTY and allows the routing through JFK. So it would be a completely different fare originating from JFK. Perhaps you can find a JFK-PTY fare that allows a connection in LAX... Good luck

edit: you're probably better off looking for a JFK-LAX-MEX or something similar routing, where there's a southern flight from LAX that doesn't go back east. Then see if you can find a cheap fare for JFK to that point, and then see if it lets you add LAX in. I'm not saying this exists, but if it does that would be a way to find it.
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Old Feb 24, 2016, 3:29 pm
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Originally Posted by hartlogan
This fare is based on LAX-PTY and allows the routing through JFK. So it would be a completely different fare originating from JFK. Perhaps you can find a JFK-PTY fare that allows a connection in LAX... Good luck

edit: you're probably better off looking for a JFK-LAX-MEX or something similar routing, where there's a southern flight from LAX that doesn't go back east. Then see if you can find a cheap fare for JFK to that point, and then see if it lets you add LAX in. I'm not saying this exists, but if it does that would be a way to find it.
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Old Feb 24, 2016, 4:23 pm
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To update my earlier post I was also granted FL access in JFK after my Transcon from LAX. Also, I was on the 757 from JFK to MIA - this is the international version with the angle seats - a nice surprise since I was expecting standard 757 domestic first. No wifi though.

Can anyone share their experience on how early they get to the airport in Panama? Is there a fast track lane? My flight is at 7 am and I am wondering if I really need to get there at 5 am.

Thanks!
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Old Feb 24, 2016, 4:43 pm
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There are no kiosks to check in at but I've done the check in 1 hr prior to departure no problem. Might've even done 45 min.

Originally Posted by TAPAL10
To update my earlier post I was also granted FL access in JFK after my Transcon from LAX. Also, I was on the 757 from JFK to MIA - this is the international version with the angle seats - a nice surprise since I was expecting standard 757 domestic first. No wifi though.

Can anyone share their experience on how early they get to the airport in Panama? Is there a fast track lane? My flight is at 7 am and I am wondering if I really need to get there at 5 am.

Thanks!
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Old Feb 24, 2016, 5:10 pm
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Originally Posted by TAPAL10
To update my earlier post I was also granted FL access in JFK after my Transcon from LAX. Also, I was on the 757 from JFK to MIA - this is the international version with the angle seats - a nice surprise since I was expecting standard 757 domestic first. No wifi though.

Can anyone share their experience on how early they get to the airport in Panama? Is there a fast track lane? My flight is at 7 am and I am wondering if I really need to get there at 5 am.

Thanks!
At a minimum, you have immigration (no priority lanes), security (no priority lanes) and additional gate security (no priority lanes) to get through.

It took us about 10-15 minutes to get through each line prior to our 7am flight.

AA "recommends" arrival at the airport 3 hours prior to departure, which IMO is at least an hour too early. If it were me, I'd follow the AA minimums:

For flights originating outside the U.S. or flights departing the U.S. for an international destination:

Minimum check-in is at least 60 minutes before scheduled departure except in Buenos Aires, Dublin and Maracaibo, Venezuela

Arrive at the gate and be ready to board at least 30 minutes prior to scheduled departure
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Old Feb 24, 2016, 5:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Nado
This fare appears to be back. Several March dates ex LAX, SNA and ONT via DFW/MIA. $690 RT was the lowest all-in fare seen.
Would you care to share the March dates. Also if I would like to spend two nights in PTY it seems to bump the fare considerably. I'm out of JFK but have a place to stay and don't mind the extra miles to go ex LAX. I can't make it work
out of JFK but don't really care. Thanks in advance
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