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Sounds great until you get a lying cop like Phil Mocek did, and end up in jail anyway with trumped up charges and thousands of dollars in legal fees .... :mad:
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Originally Posted by Bart
(Post 16584035)
TSA will be the first to take action is a TSO is caught stealing. TSA does not tolerate it nor protect those caught in the act from prosecution.
But what about "accused" of stealing? "Reports of theft?" Let's look at IAH according to the Examiner
Originally Posted by the Examiner
Undercover officers organized a sting operation after passengers kept reporting things missing from their bags at Terminal B of Intercontinental Airport.
Airport police say the complaints always involved the checkpoint where 49-year-old Karla Renee Morgan was working, so she became their prime suspect. ... In August 2003, another TSA screener was arrested for 2 rip-offs at Intercontinental Airport and hundreds of other items have been reported stolen while TSA had custody of the bags. Taxpayer money is being spent to pay many of the claims filed with TSA, with the agency admitting the items were stolen on its watch. In many claims, TSA turns down the claim and responds that there is not enough evidence that the agency was responsible for a payment to be made. |
Originally Posted by exbayern
(Post 16586734)
Let me try again... perhaps someone with better English skills than I can assist, even if this is OT for this thread.
YYC has had MMW for quite some time, due to pressure from the US, in the US departures area. You step on a randomizer mat when you present your boarding pass. The randomizer gives a number or uses an arrow to tell the CATSA agent if you have been selected or not. Generally the percentage of people selected for additional screening is quite low. I have never seen ALL passengers selected at a Canadian airport and frankly the checkpoints are not set up for that. IF you are selected (and it usually is not an entire family at one time), you are clearly given the choice of a pat down or a scan. The pat down is nothing near the US version, although YYC is generally viewed as one of the worst CATSA locations in Canada. Several of us have had challenges there with screeners. Why have you not been chosen for a scan in the US? Not every airport or every checkpoint has a scanner in the US. If you fly twice a year from MCO, you haven't encountered a scanner because MCO has only recently received scanners, and only at certain checkpoints and thus only for certain carriers. MCO is seen by many of us here as one of the worst airports in the US overall for security experience. However you as an infrequent, uneducated (in the ways of airport security), family traveller are exactly why MCO becomes a challenge for the other type of traveller. You may enjoy your experience because MCO tends to cater more towards that type of traveller than to me for instance. There are many posters on TS&S who have never been selected for a scan even though they travel weekly. They know which airports and terminals and checkpoints have scanners, they plan ahead, they select their line carefully, etc. I would far rather have the Canadian experience than the US experience when it comes to security screening. Again, apologies to the OP for going off topic, but this misinformation keeps coming up in this thread. First of all.. I've never said that I travel to MCO twice a year.. I'm not sure where that came from.. Second of all.. IME during spring break.. All passengers going through immigration/customs that were Canadian was scanned through the Nude-O-Scope at YYC or given an option of a pat down.. Now it was only during that period.. and I have mentioned in my numerous posts that this may have changed.. Although, you seem to be going back to my language and misquoting me.. Third of all.. If they have changed to a random policy (which I've already mentioned a couple of times), then I'm very happy they did so.. so, I'm not saying that the policy is current to check every person.. and yes, IME everything is anecdotal.. and yes every passenger except for children was being scanned under the Nude-O-Scope when we were there (YYC after US customs/immigration).. Fourth of all.. You say that I'm uneducated when it comes to security issues.. well, I was well educated enough ahead of the Nude-O-Scopes during spring break to understand that EVERYONE would be scanned under the Nude-O-Scope during that time at YYC.. and everyone was indeed scanned when I was there.. with the exception of children, or those who opted for a patdown.. Now again.. I'm not saying that this is policy now.. And I'm asking again please do not misquote me in your responses.. |
Originally Posted by RadioGirl
(Post 16590505)
Key word is "caught." Yeah, once they've caught stealing, TSA steps right up.
But what about "accused" of stealing? "Reports of theft?" Let's look at IAH according to the Examiner Yeah, sounds like TSA is real proactive about responding to those claims. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by MDtR-Chicago
(Post 16586801)
I'm not sure why you responded to my post... but since you did...
I have personally witnessed the elderly being patted down without hesitation. The most recent time, it was a woman who appeared to be about 70 years old, wearing a scarrrrrrrry skirt through the checkpoint. Even without an alarm from the WTMD, she still got frisked. No one is exempt. And because there is not a publicly available procedure, anything goes. There's no way to know if it's out of bounds. Even when we think we know, it later turns out to be simply a test of something new. I recall reading that you are an infrequent traveler. That you have not (or rarely have) seen it is a function of how infrequently you are in airports that rely heavily on body scanners. For example, places like RDU (and, frequently, hubs like O'Hare) scan every single person when they can keep up. And regardless of age, if the TSO viewing the scan thinks he sees an anomaly, there will be a pat-down. Each of us has a choice to care or not care. However, the belief that these things do not routinely occur, to travelers young and old, is patently absurd. I read it in a fashion where it seems that those who are being scanned seemed to be selected not just randomly, but picked almost arbitraririly out of the line.. I would agree it would be absurd to do this.. and hopefully the TSA has taken the arbitrariness out of the randomness.. |
Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro
(Post 16590644)
...hopefully the TSA has taken the arbitrariness out of the randomness..
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Originally Posted by Fredd
(Post 16590675)
What a great new Mission Statement that would make: Your TSA: Working Together to Take The Arbitrariness Out of The Randomness! ;)
Lots of angles.. and lots of different perspectives with what goes on in our travels nowadays.. no bigger issue than security.. Where I stand imo.. the enhanced homeland security of TSA doesn't improve security at all.. rather adds costs, and increased inconvenience to innocent paying travellers IMA.. although I may consider myself an infrequent traveller.. I am more frequent than say most of my friends and co-workers.. travelling upwards 2 months a year to the US.. in frequencies of 2 or 3 annually.. Some may think that this is infrequent.. some may think that this is frequent.. all I know is.. this instills the Arbitrariness in the Randomness.;) |
Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro
(Post 16590578)
Second of all.. IME during spring break.. All passengers going through immigration/customs that were Canadian was scanned through the Nude-O-Scope at YYC or given an option of a pat down.. Now it was only during that period.. and I have mentioned in my numerous posts that this may have changed.. Although, you seem to be going back to my language and misquoting me..
However again, you are absolutely mistaken that ALL passengers during spring break were scanned or searched at YYC during the spring break period. That simply cannot happen without very significant waits; currently a very small percentage of travellers are scanned or patted down and to search all would result in waits of several hours at the checkpoint, and would have been reported in the media as well as on FT. There is also at least one CATSA agent who posts here. I even doubt that for a fixed period of time such as Spring Break the process was changed from random to mandatory as that is I suspect a violation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and would have received media attention. All passengers going through immigration/customs that were Canadian was scanned through the Nude-O-Scope at YYC or given an option of a pat down.. What I do suspect may have happened is that you or the first member of your party were selected from the randomizer mat, and that you were all directed to the lane for additional screening. It would then appear that 'everyone' was being scanned or patted down because the travellers in that particular lane were being scanned or patted down, even if that really was not the case. |
Originally Posted by GoingAway
(Post 16590484)
Sounds great until you get a lying cop like Phil Mocek did, and end up in jail anyway with trumped up charges and thousands of dollars in legal fees .... :mad:
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Originally Posted by PhoenixRev
(Post 16589074)
If a TSO cannot tell on sight if a 6 gauge metal nipple ring is a weapon or not, that person has no business working security on any level, anywhere, at any time, for any reason.
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Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
(Post 16594211)
On sight--which means removing the garments that cover it so they can see it!
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Originally Posted by Bart
(Post 16584511)
You know what, pal, I'm just another schmoe posting comments on the internet. Just because I work for TSA doesn't mean that my comments should be taken as an official position by the TSA. You have the right to believe what you want, as do I.
I am not so willing to believe the story and have explained repeatedly why. You don't have to accept that, but I don't understand why you think you have to convince me that I have to accept your belief. I don't understand why you and others can't simply acknowledge that we disagree and let it go at that. By the way, do you believe in Jesus Christ as your personal savior? Do you believe that there's life on other planets? Do you believe in ghosts? Do you believe in Santa Claus? Do you believe that Bill Clinton never inhaled? I don't know any better than anyone else what happened with the OP, but I'm curious about one thing. Normally, these types of stories go viral immediately, no matter where they started. I haven't seen that with this one.
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 16584879)
I would certainly like to see a reference to 75% of bank tellers steal.
Banks account for every penny of cash daily and controls are in place to uncover theft. Does theft happen? Certainly but when discovered, and it is always discovered in time, the employee is no longer working for the financial institution. Banking regulators would frown heavily on having a thief on the payroll. I worked at a bank for two years out of college and did some teller work (Man, that's a nasty job. No pay, lots of abuse.). Based on my statistically insignificant observations, there's no way 75% of tellers could steal.
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 16589697)
Which starts with the deliberate attempts at humiliation by having the tin-badged twerp squawk "OPT-OUT! OPT-OUT! I HAVE AN OPT-OUT HERE!" like a demented toucan...
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Originally Posted by mikeef
(Post 16595431)
Funny, if I heard that, I'd think better of the person who chose to opt out.
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Originally Posted by mikeef
I don't know any better than anyone else what happened with the OP, but I'm curious about one thing. Normally, these types of stories go viral immediately, no matter where they started. I haven't seen that with this one
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This seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle, but it appears another woman was strip searched in LAX:
Originally Posted by mybodyismyown
(Post 16586521)
One of my closest friends just posted on Facebook 20 minutes ago that she was strip-searched by TSA at LAX airport. I called her immediately and got the full story. She had been delayed six days leaving Australia because of the volcanoes, and when she landed at LAX she had a string of flight delays and cancellations. She has been at LAX for over 12 hours and had boarding passes for a number of flights which were either overbooked or cancelled. She is a smoker, and she exited the secure area to smoke several times over the course of the day. The last time that she came through the checkpoint, TSA recognized that she had gone through security several times already and flagged her for a strip search. She says she was taken into a private room and had to take off all of her clothing down to her underwear. Her underwear stayed on.
Luckily, she seems remarkably nonchalant about the whole experience, but I am shaken. I'm urging her to file a lawsuit, but I don't know how I can convince her how sickeningly wrong what they did to her is. I know I'm going to have trouble sleeping tonight. What kind of loathsome disgusting people would do this to someone? Shame on you, TSA. Shame on your whole obscene coterie of sexual abusers. |
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