Really hope SATTSO comes back to this thread like promised.

Still need to know if I can have an RPD done in public and/or have it filmed.

Sometimes you can have an RPD done in public, sometimes you cant.

All depends on the TSO at the time.

If TSO says no to be done in public and you refuse to go into a private room . You would be told that you cant fly that day.

I believe that it was stated here numerous times that you can't. (Of course, not all TSOs follow the rules.) A number of us have asked why, though.

I must say that I thought this thread was getting quite informative and then it started to deteriorate again.

Would still like an answer from one of our helpful resident TSO's.

If you can't have a RPD done in public or filmed why not?

That's what I'm saying, TSA should make the screening process crystal clear on what will take place from start to finish.

There is no reason to make information SSI such as "if we can't clear an alarm you will be requested to strip" or other steps. We are not asking for ways and means but what is required of an individual to transit a TSA screening checkpoint.

Some time ago a new member of the TSA blog team, Paul, said he would put together such a list. He was dropped from the TSA Blog almost the next day.

Although I mostly agree in this particular case, I do feel that the information about the steps used to clear an alarm is the most legitimately SSI parts of the SOP because that sort of information can easily be used try to find ways to smuggle things in and are also the least easy to figure out by observation of a checkpoint.

Had you include the second sentence of the statement I think I clearly indicated your point.

I disagree. I don't see such a clear difference between "ways and means" and "what is required of an individual to transit a TSA screening checkpoint" in many cases. Sometimes those "ways and means" don't involve the passenger, so there is a difference in those cases. But not so much in others. Somebody brings this complex and x-ray dense object through the checkpoint and the ETD is positive on it. It's possible that there may be "ways and means" to clear this without the passenger's help. But it's also possible the passenger may be asked to help disassemble it, show a diagram of the device that's consistent with the x-ray image or show they have a security clearance (I know of cases where the latter was done informally). So in these cases, "ways and means" involve what a passenger must do.

I have read both. So it is very difficult to know what the rule is.

I do know that if you required to go to a room you can have somebody with you.
That doesnt really help if you travel alone.

I dont think this thread has deteriorated at all.

It is a very intresting discussion what people think.

I totally agree with you .We all want security. Not all this circus and lies that is going on now.

And one of the most important issues with me is the yelling and screaming and rudness.
A lot of TSO are bullies.

We seem to be parsing sematics.

I am suggesting that the person being screened should be informed how they will be screened. WTMD, WBI, ETD, and so forth. If an alarm cannot be cleared then what happens next in regards to what the person may be subjected to, i.e., you will be asked to remove clothing, you will be required to remove clothing and so forth.

I am not suggesting that TSA say what their methods of resolving the alarms are but I do agree that the line could get rather fine.

What security reason is there for not telling a passenger when and why a screener might have to touch the passenger's breasts or visualize a piercing? What do The Bad Guys do with that information that they hadn't already thought of without that information?

I'm sorry but terrorists will figure out a way even if it's SSI. Also, there are so many holes in airport security that the average college student could figure them out, duh!! When a chef is patted down while 4 sharp knives are passing through in his luggage, the problem isn't with the passenger but with the security!! When you have security that is all about show and theatre, it DOES NOT WORK. We need to learn quickly and do things differently or else someone with a malicious intent might get through security!!

I think it's safe to say that regarding TSA rules, they make it up as they go and they can change things whenever they want. I though only corrupt "police" in certain countries did that!!

I don't know. I think I have been saying that all through this thread.

TSOs can not do the RPD. If a TSO ever does an RPD on you, that is a sure fire way to get them fired ;)