If it is pierced so you cant see it thorugh the underwear, then there is no way they cant do anything if they dont have the undies off. And that we are told will not happen. Not even if the pax says ok.

The other thing they can do is grope,touch and squese. But they already say they dont do that.
So what do they do?
Somebody is not telling the truth here.

Removing undies is not allowed.

You know this how?

I am inclined to believe that passengers couldn't voluntarily remove their undergarments, but I would rather hear that from a TSO.

I am inclined to believe that a passenger could voluntarily (as a condition of them getting through security) remove their pants/shirt.

I have actually been told on this board that pax can not remove their undies at all
That TSO dont want to see what is under the undies. And if you do this you will most likely be arrested.

They only want to touch it, not see it?

Where have I heard that line before?? :confused: ;)

Pretty much what I have been told.

I dont want to be touched or seen by an uninvited stranger.

But out of those 2 I rather be seen. Touched NO WAY.

Some pervert maybe!

Just this time is ALL FOR OUR SAFETY when we fly.

USA security.

That is what I'm STILL trying to sort out -- what (additional) information can possibly be gleaned when the passenger removes pants to expose underwear? The screeners are allowed to touch a genital piercing between your legs when they do the bodysearch with your pants ON. But if the only thing they can do when you take your pants OFF is look at you while you're standing their in your panties...they can't see it -- it's covered by underwear. It's pointless, it's dumb.

Unless, of course, they are reaching up there and inspecting genital piercings by touching people's genitals through their underwear. In which case, it's no longer dumb. It's off-the-grid insane.

And they have to be pretty graffic at this point.
Piercings are not that big.

I would assume that they have to use their fingers not their hands.

Remember certain TSA Screeners have talked about the gray area when the secondary screening is required. I think this is one of those areas of the screening process that definately falls into that category and that is the real reason for the SSI when it comes to the screening procedures. Because if the passengers truely understood what TSA can do to them to clear them during the screening process. I highly doubt anyone would be willing to go near a airport or any other place where a TSA checkpoint was setup.

I personally would rather be strip searched than patted down because of my colostomy. I have started to wear an ostomy belt and wrap to make sure the bag is held in place and doesn't leak (these are both custom underwar for ostomies). I feel that the pat down. Especially the the running hands in my waistband could cause a leak. So I hope SATTSO is right that you can volunteer to take clothes off.

For what it is worth, I have two genital piercings as well. Next time I fly I won't tell them about the ostomy and will tell them about the piercings when I fail the scanner. And I will see how they handle it. Or maybe I will just explain everything and request a strip search in lieu of a pat down.

After I have been reading about what TSO has said about "taking clothes off", it seems that there is a gray area what that really means.

Nobody seems to really know the answer.

To some people "taking clothes off" means down to the undies and to others everything.

So I would guess it depends on the airport and the TSO at the time.

While I don't think a person should receive any kind of invasive screening unless clear cause can be presented it would clear things up if TSA was honest about what forms of screening might be used.

As it is now we are faced with unclear descriptions of certain actions conducted by screeners and left in the dark about what can legally be done during screening.

The continued dishonesty that TSA employs should result in the removal of TSA senior leadership (and I use that work loosely).

TSA procedures as now deployed does not reflect the values of the United States nor does TSA policies support the United States Constitution.

I agree with you about the invasive screening should not be first TSO turn to.

I am talking about if you cant be cleared for some reason. Then you get to the point what I am talking about.

And that is a very gray area.

I hope that I never get to that point. But if I would for some odd reason, then it is kind of nice to know what to do and how to handle it.
Also at that point I really dont want to play the guessing game.