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Fredd Jun 28, 2011 11:55 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16639750)
I know you believe that TSA lies. Its amazing that you believe every anit-TSA story out there.

Amazing?

It should be a concern that stories about the screening of people at an airport checkpoint that I would have thought far-fetched or downright impossible a few years ago now seem believable.

billycorgan Jun 28, 2011 11:58 am

All people lie, the problem is that 3 years ago I would have found the vets story completely unreasonable and now in light of TSA policies and complaints I find it plausible.

Caradoc Jun 28, 2011 12:04 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16639750)
I have issues with this persons story, and it wouldn't be the first time a former military "hero" has lied about screening.

You should have bigger issues about why such stories have become more plausible than any of us would have believed ten years ago.

Look at your co-workers if you're wondering why.

GoingAway Jun 28, 2011 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by billycorgan (Post 16639854)
All people lie, the problem is that 3 years ago I would have found the vets story completely unreasonable and now in light of TSA policies and complaints I find it plausible.

Agreed, the TSA has provided anyone who travel and takes in what goes on around them with enough first and second (by first person observation) abuses, personal invasions, over stepping, power trips, etc that things that would have been unbelievably unacceptable yesterday, have become the norm thanks to TSA pushing the envelope continually downward.

They have been caught in enough lies, evasions, conveniently lost tapes, enough TSOs have been not only charged/arrested but found guilty and enough abuses have occurred that yes, the 'people' are far more believable than the TSA will ever be.

Boggie Dog Jun 28, 2011 12:20 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16639750)
I have issues with this persons story, and it wouldn't be the first time a former military "hero" has lied about screening.

Why wasn't he pat down after the alarm in private? I mean, all of you believe TSO's love to touch people sexually, so who cares if his clothes are off... so many inaccuracies in this story that I could go on about.

Howeve, as example of how even vets can lie, one former vet was caught lying to the Surgeon General (he was on his staff), said TSA made him take off his facial prosthesis. Our FSD received a call from a Secretary level member of the Bush staff, the man screaming how could this happen. The FSD ask for the info, found the the video, and saw that the vet had lied to the Surgeon General, who had contacted various Secretaries about why TSA would do this. The video was forward to the various depts, and the issue ended abruptly.

I hope some of you do understand that people do lie to push an agenda. I know you believe that TSA lies. Its amazing that you believe every anit-TSA story out there.


Like how Secretary DHS and TSA Administrator lied by saying how NIST had "Affirmed the Safety" of WBI'ers when if fact they did not?

mpattdu Jun 28, 2011 12:28 pm


Originally Posted by VegasCableGuy (Post 16639383)
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2748834

Yet another report of how a "resolution patdown" actually turns out to be a strip search.

The real question is whether he was forced to remove his Mickey Ears.:p

Ancien Maestro Jun 28, 2011 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16639707)
In baggage, depending upon the equipment available, you open bags to screen them. A few years ago I opened one bag... and found that the person had used the bag for a toilet.... When she had handed over the bag, you could tell she was still drunk... :eek:

I always wondered if she thought a TSO had taken a dump in her bag when she got home.

Expound on this.. inquiring minds want to know..

So when would the bag been dumped in? and what happened after inspection?

SATTSO Jun 28, 2011 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by billycorgan (Post 16639854)
All people lie, the problem is that 3 years ago I would have found the vets story completely unreasonable and now in light of TSA policies and complaints I find it plausible.

That is correct, and some people will use that to exploit their agenda.

SATTSO Jun 28, 2011 12:52 pm


Originally Posted by billycorgan (Post 16630600)
SATTSO's silence is condemning.

Oh, please, that was a stupid thing to say. People do get busy in their lives. Or do you see monsters in every shadow?

GoingAway Jun 28, 2011 12:54 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16640196)
That is correct, and some people will use that to exploit their agenda.

Exploit all you want, it is BELIEVABLE in its entirety, so let's see the tapes that show these people walked out of the room empty handed, and returned the same way.

SATTSO Jun 28, 2011 12:54 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 16639987)
Like how Secretary DHS and TSA Administrator lied by saying how NIST had "Affirmed the Safety" of WBI'ers when if fact they did not?

And what in the world does that have to do with whether or not a particular passenger is telling the truth about their screening experience? You already know the answer: nothing. Yet you also know what I am saying is possibly true, which is why you didn't actually address it.

SATTSO Jun 28, 2011 12:54 pm


Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro (Post 16640112)
Expound on this.. inquiring minds want to know..

So when would the bag been dumped in? and what happened after inspection?

:rolleyes:

SATTSO Jun 28, 2011 12:57 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 16631942)
Much easier than engaging in conversation.

No, I only have a few on my ignore list. And they deserve to be there. They offer nothing constructive. I do expect some anger, but when all you have to say are nasty comments - or you simply ignore what others have already said, there is no point in conversing.

You, BD, can take the easy way out and say I am avoiding engaging in conversation, but then you know thats not true. You very well know I engage in conversation. I have done so with your for closing in on 2 years. To say that I do not engage is simply you lying.

exbayern Jun 28, 2011 1:20 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16639750)
I have issues with this persons story, and it wouldn't be the first time a former military "hero" has lied about screening.

Why wasn't he pat down after the alarm in private? I mean, all of you believe TSO's love to touch people sexually, so who cares if his clothes are off... so many inaccuracies in this story that I could go on about.

Howeve, as example of how even vets can lie, one former vet was caught lying to the Surgeon General (he was on his staff), said TSA made him take off his facial prosthesis. Our FSD received a call from a Secretary level member of the Bush staff, the man screaming how could this happen. The FSD ask for the info, found the the video, and saw that the vet had lied to the Surgeon General, who had contacted various Secretaries about why TSA would do this. The video was forward to the various depts, and the issue ended abruptly.

I hope some of you do understand that people do lie to push an agenda. I know you believe that TSA lies. Its amazing that you believe every anit-TSA story out there.

SATTSO, I certainly do not believe every 'anti-TSA' story out there. I originally posted the link after I took the time to research this person, and checked several of his past posts and even his Facebook page.

For many years I posted on that site in a rather neutral or even pro-TSA fashion. I tended to believe that most reports there were overly dramatic, or embellished, and I still suspect that many are. (That site tends to have a high level of tension and drama sometimes, and a lot of very misinformed travellers who simply don't want to hear the facts or the truth)

I have not posted or even read there for a few years, but did go over recently to see what that type of traveller was thinking. That is how I found that post.

I tend to believe him more than other similar posts on similar websites. Why? He didn't go to the media first. He hasn't been back to respond. He didn't post anything on his Facebook page even though he has over 800 friends. Instead he chose to post it as a warning on a somewhat obscure travel forum where it wouldn't generally get much if any attention from the media or frequent travellers. He has posted travel information in past in a reasoned fashion. Here is a post from him about a past negative experience, and again he doesn't seem very dramatic about it:


I fly about 100,000 miles a year in a wheelchair and will be flying out this Wednesday for the first time since the new security checks, I will post when I get to my destination on what happened. I am stuck in my chair and cannot get out of it easy and use a aisle chair to board the plane. The only trouble I have ever had was in San Diego 2 years ago when they insisted that they need to check my chair cushion well it took 3 TSA agent to lift me out of my chair. But right behind me another person confined to a wheelchair was not asked to leave the chair so they can check his cushion. TSA has a lack of consistent rules that they follow. It is left to the individual airport TSA to do what they want not what they are told to due by headquarters.

They are not to patdown a child under 12 but some airports due it anyway against the TSA Guidelines. Strange but true.
http://www.disboards.com/showthread....2600740&page=4

I also tend to believe him more than disbelieve him because until my unfortunate string of 18 months of a lot more bad luck than good (which began at your own airport), I too didn't have much negative to say about TSA. But my personal experiences have caused me to change my opinion. Reading what several TSOs were posting here also influenced my opinion and changed it from neutral or positive to mostly negative.

I believe that I am still reasonable and balanced in how I post, and still consider such stories carefully before assuming that everything stated is true. But in this case I tend to believe that what he wrote is what he believes happened to him at MCO yesterday.

doober Jun 28, 2011 1:36 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16640243)
No, I only have a few on my ignore list. And they deserve to be there. They offer nothing constructive. I do expect some anger, but when all you have to say are nasty comments - or you simply ignore what others have already said, there is no point in conversing.

You, BD, can take the easy way out and say I am avoiding engaging in conversation, but then you know thats not true. You very well know I engage in conversation. I have done so with your for closing in on 2 years. To say that I do not engage is simply you lying.

You're quite fond of the use of the word "lying", aren't you?


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